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Electric fans' effectiveness during heat waves questioned in new report (MSM Goes After Fans Alert)
CBS News ^ | 06/12/2012 | CBS News

Posted on 07/12/2012 8:40:00 PM PDT by goldstategop

"We looked for high quality research that had compared groups of people using fans with groups who didn't use them during a heatwave [sic]. However, we didn't find any research that met our requirements," the researchers wrote. "Some suggested that fans might reduce health problems, while others suggested that the fans might make things worse."

The team of researchers concluded that a fan that is not directly aimed at a person in temperatures lower than 95 degrees Fahrenheit may help one cool down. However, they said that a fan propped against a window pumping in outside air above 95 degrees could be dangerous, and might actually cause a person's body temperature to increase, putting them at risk.

"This is particularly important for people who are considered more vulnerable to the effects of heat, such as older adults who are less able to cool down through sweating or increasing the flow of blood to their skin," Gupta said in a press release.

While cool air on sweat may feel refreshing, excess sweating can still lead to dehydration and other dangers such as heat exhaustion and heat stroke.

"I would advise caution in using fans for elderly patients during a heat wave with a history of coronary artery disease or hypertension who are on multiple medications which have the ability to impair effective sweating or cooling," added Dr. Robert Glatter, an emergency medicine physician at Lenox Hill Hospital in New York City, in an email to HealthPop. Glatter was not involved in the new research.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: dogdays; electricfans; heatwave; msm
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Now liberals are against electric fans for cooling down during a heat wave... because they can keep you from sweating and cool down au naturel!

Another junk study science to keep y'all entertained during the dog days of summer.

Not giving up my Vornado fan and Lasko high velocity fan yet!

1 posted on 07/12/2012 8:40:06 PM PDT by goldstategop
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To: goldstategop
These people are beyond insane.

I suppose these are recommended?


2 posted on 07/12/2012 8:44:05 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: goldstategop

HUH?


3 posted on 07/12/2012 8:44:27 PM PDT by bicyclerepair ( REPLACE D-W-S ! http://www.karenforcongress.com)
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To: goldstategop

They can have my fan when they pry it from my cold, dead tabletop !!


4 posted on 07/12/2012 8:44:27 PM PDT by JoeDetweiler
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To: goldstategop

Laskos work great


5 posted on 07/12/2012 8:45:27 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: goldstategop

Just warming you up for the ObamaCare death panels. The panel may decide that based upon your age and your value to society that air conditioning or fan costs exceed the expected economic returns from your continued existence....thusly, you can die from heat exhaustion for all they care.


6 posted on 07/12/2012 8:46:14 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (Skittle pooping unicorns are more common than progressives with honor & integrity.)
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To: goldstategop
However, we didn't find any research that met our requirements," the researchers wrote.

So why didn't the researchers do the research to suit themselves? Maybe because they had not an ounce of credibility to begin with? Most likely because it would have blown their whole effort to secure government funding to study the study of the study.

7 posted on 07/12/2012 8:47:14 PM PDT by mazda77 ("Defeating the Totalitarian Lie" By: Hilmar von Campe. Everybody should read it.)
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To: goldstategop
a fan propped against a window pumping in outside air above 95 degrees

You're supposed to hang wet bedsheets in front of the fan.

8 posted on 07/12/2012 8:48:16 PM PDT by donna (Average American height: (Men 5' 9.6") (Women 5' 4.3") Movies: The reverse!))
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To: goldstategop
However, they said that a fan propped against a window pumping in outside air above 95 degrees could be dangerous, and might actually cause a person's body temperature to increase, putting them at risk.

You're doing it wrong LOL

9 posted on 07/12/2012 8:48:16 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: JoeDetweiler
The fan in the shop sounds like an F-100 engine winding up when it's on high, and bogs down the genset when I'm running on emergency power. I suppose I've got an assault fan.

Come get me copper.

/johnny

10 posted on 07/12/2012 8:48:21 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: mylife
These people are beyond insane.

Yes they are, and I am heartily sick of them.

11 posted on 07/12/2012 8:48:21 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: JoeDetweiler

Junk science.

Now I concede the electric fan has no real effect in high humidity heat when you should really use use air conditioning.

But in the dry climate I live in an electric fan works nearly as well as swamp cooler.

The heat wave must have addled scientists’ brains. We need to cool down and our bodies don’t always keep us comfortable!


12 posted on 07/12/2012 8:48:34 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

Then turn the fan around and blow it facing outside to suck out the hot air out of the house. When we were kids we didn’t have A/Cs. All we had were fans. My mother had a huge window fan that she ran all night and it did a good job of sucking out the hot air out of our house. It still wasn’t air cond., but we survived.

I remember when I was real little my Grandpa turning a tabletop fan on me and telling me how it felt just like a lake breeze. I guess when you’re raised without any fans, like my Grandpa was, a fan was a big improvement.


13 posted on 07/12/2012 8:49:07 PM PDT by murron (Proud Mom of a Marine Vet)
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To: goldstategop

Certainly the fans can help purge hot air from the house at night. And you’d be stupid not to have a few bottles of drinking water by your bed in this kind of heat.


14 posted on 07/12/2012 8:51:41 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew)
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To: mylife

They’re stupid.

People set a box fan outwards to exhaust hot air on a hot day and they turn it inwards at night to draw in cool air.

These folks have never seen a fan in their life!


15 posted on 07/12/2012 8:51:41 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

So now the left has to protect people who are too stupid to use fans?


16 posted on 07/12/2012 8:52:53 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: murron

I grew up with out a/c too...

I’m still sucking air :)

I think this is more a setup for a/c stamps.. kind of like food stamps but you pay for your a/c unit and electricity with the stamps.


17 posted on 07/12/2012 8:52:53 PM PDT by cableguymn (For the first time in my life. I fear my country's government.)
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To: BenLurkin

Next some egghead will tell us how fires can harm us when it’s cold if we lay on top of them.


18 posted on 07/12/2012 8:53:16 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: goldstategop

The physics of evaporation on the skin.


19 posted on 07/12/2012 8:53:57 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: goldstategop

It takes them decades to figure out stuff we learned as kids.

During the hottest part of the day you can try things....
1.Turn the fan around so you are circulating air but not pumping in hot air

or

2. Close the windows, pull the curtains, and sit in front of the fan. It helps to put a cool cloth on your body - or even over the fan.


20 posted on 07/12/2012 8:54:44 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: goldstategop

Apparently,It’s Rocket Science.


21 posted on 07/12/2012 8:54:50 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: ozzymandus

No doubt that will require more studies to determine how best to proceed.


22 posted on 07/12/2012 8:57:52 PM PDT by matt04
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To: goldstategop

I never had AC in Ca.
When we would get those 105 deg Santa Ana’s I would put a 20 lb block of ice in a pan in front of the fan.


23 posted on 07/12/2012 8:58:14 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: goldstategop

I just hope they don’t look at South Korea. For there it is believed that an electric fan, left running overnight and in a closed room, can cause the death of those sleeping inside that room.


24 posted on 07/12/2012 8:59:04 PM PDT by teacherwoes ("It is vain to expect a well-balanced government without a well-balanced society" -Gideon Welles)
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To: All

Sitting in a tub with the shower running and a lasko fan in the door helps too, but bath tub sex will mess up your back and there us the chance you could wake up all “pruney” later.


25 posted on 07/12/2012 9:02:20 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

Back when I was a kid in IL, we had an attic fan that was 36” in diameter that sucked air our of the house. It created a gentle breeze coming in all the windows...worked pretty well.
On the really hot nights I would pull my mattress out on to the porch roof and sleep there. Others would take their blankets to the park and sleep on the ground. I especially remember that happening in St. Louis, Mo when I visited in the summer.


26 posted on 07/12/2012 9:02:52 PM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: mylife

Back when I was a kid in IL, we had an attic fan that was 36” in diameter that sucked air our of the house. It created a gentle breeze coming in all the windows...worked pretty well.
On the really hot nights I would pull my mattress out on to the porch roof and sleep there. Others would take their blankets to the park and sleep on the ground. I especially remember that happening in St. Louis, Mo when I visited in the summer.


27 posted on 07/12/2012 9:02:52 PM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: goldstategop

“I would advise caution in using fans for elderly patients during a heat wave with a history of coronary artery disease or hypertension who are on multiple medications which have the ability to impair effective sweating or cooling,”

Yeah, you think?

Sheesh, if you’re not in that group a fan and a wet cloth are wonderful- and cheap.
Water evaporates at a lower temp than sweat. I’ve worked hours in 110+ temps with a damp rag on my neck and not been overly stressed.


28 posted on 07/12/2012 9:03:24 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: murron
Same thing here. Once the sun goes down you open up every window, run the big fans in the living room to blow out the air and get the cool night air into the bedrooms and beyond. Then in the morning close the windows and shades and shut off the fan to keep from heating up more.

While cool air on sweat may feel refreshing, excess sweating can still lead to dehydration and other dangers such as heat exhaustion and heat stroke.

If only science could come up with a way to rehydrate people who have lost water through sweating. Maybe a ten million dollar research grant will get them to discover the secret of drinking water.

29 posted on 07/12/2012 9:05:00 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (You only have three billion heartbeats in a lifetime.How many does the government claim as its own?)
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To: Oldexpat

Sleeping on the porch roof only works if you have a breeze.

I feel bad for folks suffering this heat wave without AC.


30 posted on 07/12/2012 9:07:27 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: murron

Growing up we had a huge fan in the attic (my dad built the house). It was at the end of the hallway where the bedrooms were. There was a switch on the wall and a louvered panel in the ceiling would open up and the fan would turn on - drawing the air up into the ceiling. I’m guessing it was about 3’ x 5’ in size.

During the day it would help bring the cool air up from downstairs, and at night exhaust the hot air with the windows open.

We don’t have a/c (Seattle) but when it gets hot I’ll put the vornado at the bottom of the stairs shooting the cool air up into the living area. And at night usually just use fans to create a cross breeze with the windows open.

Maybe I need to put a box fan at the attic door as an exhaust during the day?

I was just talking about the old days with my 94 year old mom. She reminded me that all they had were iceboxes and that was for the food (and milk) - so they never had any nice cold drinks with ice cubes or anything. Although she said when the ice man came around the kids would crowd around, and he always seemed to miss-judge the size of the ice block so he had to chip away lots more pieces for the kids to suck on!


31 posted on 07/12/2012 9:08:21 PM PDT by 21twelve
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To: Oldexpat

I put a “whole house fan” in our single story ranch about 25 years ago. It is wonderful on cool evenings — changes all the air in the house in a few minutes. Of course the normal nighttime lows here on the SF Peninsula are usually in the high 50s.


32 posted on 07/12/2012 9:08:56 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: goldstategop

North facing covered porches and big shade trees works wonders, especially if there is a fan mounted to the ceiling of the porch along with wet rags, and lots of fluids.

Lay down in front of a carpet dryer on a hot day and you will freeze your ass off unless the humidity is really excessive.


33 posted on 07/12/2012 9:09:47 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: Oldexpat

Nobody even designs homes with breezeways any more.


34 posted on 07/12/2012 9:11:17 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mazda77

or maybe they’re just looking for a way to give nursing home staffs the “headsup” that a heatwave is the perfect time to shut off all the fans?


35 posted on 07/12/2012 9:12:12 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: mylife

“Sleeping on the porch roof only works if you have a breeze.”

My kids think I’m nuts when we go out on the deck for dinner, and I pull out the big fan and set it on the deck. But agreed, those hot, muggy midwest nights it was pretty hard to get away from the heat without A/C - even with a fan.


36 posted on 07/12/2012 9:12:48 PM PDT by 21twelve
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To: cableguymn
we have a good size house, two story with a basement....we have one window air conditioner....some summers we don't even pull it out....we use fans and a good open/close window strategy....

people have gotten to be real wuzzies...

37 posted on 07/12/2012 9:13:40 PM PDT by cherry (Catholics for Romney)
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To: goldstategop

I’ve been mulling over this sentence....over and over.

“”We looked for high quality research that had compared groups of people using fans with groups who didn’t use them during a heatwave [sic]. However, we didn’t find any research that met our requirements,” the researchers wrote”

It makes me laugh


38 posted on 07/12/2012 9:13:49 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: cableguymn
‘I think this is more a setup for a/c stamps.. kind of like food stamps but you pay for your a/c unit and electricity with the stamps’

They already have this program it is part of the HEAP program and YOU pay for it with a special tax on your electric bill and gas bill. In some areas you pay a special tax on your electric bill that goes to supplement electrification in other areas of the country. You get NO benefit from it at all.

39 posted on 07/12/2012 9:18:07 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: 21twelve

It could get pretty muggy.


40 posted on 07/12/2012 9:18:18 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

Manual fans aren’t permitted either. A human expends energy waving them. To produce the energy, he has to breathe and that produces CO2. Even worse, he has to eat to get the energy to wave the fan. If he eats meat, it’s probably beef and cows produce methane.


41 posted on 07/12/2012 9:23:21 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: ModelBreaker

Oh my brain hurts from all the academia! LOL!


42 posted on 07/12/2012 9:25:29 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: ModelBreaker

Let’s face it.
The dems are great at circular logic.
To bad we cant harness all the circular energy for some good.


43 posted on 07/12/2012 9:28:21 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: goldstategop
My shack in the Sonoran desert sits in full sun and has no AC. It does have 12" thick concrete walls and a whole house fan which operates at night.

This is my first year there and I am very surprised that it is still quite comfortable and very livable this late in the season. Weeks of temps in the 100s, no AC.


44 posted on 07/12/2012 9:29:44 PM PDT by I see my hands (It's time to.. KICK OUT THE JAMS, MOTHER FREEPERS!)
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To: All
Yall ever notice that on those hot muggy nights these fans don't work?


45 posted on 07/12/2012 9:31:59 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Oldexpat
.....we had an attic fan that was 36” in diameter that sucked air our of the house.....

My grandfather had a big 4 ft. attic fan in the center of his house.
It had 4 blades, belt driven by a big electric motor.
When he put it on high speed during the hottest part of the day, the curtains on all the windows were blowing inwards like there was a 10-15 mph breeze blowing outside.
It kept the house comfortable even in south Louisiana.

46 posted on 07/12/2012 9:31:59 PM PDT by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin......Nuff said.)
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To: goldstategop

I was sitting at a bar on cape cod 2 weeks ago and it was HOT!.
The bartender whipped out a Vornado and man was i impressed!!

I have never seen one before, gotta get me one i think.


47 posted on 07/12/2012 9:48:37 PM PDT by mowowie
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To: mylife

That is so true! I had a friend who lived in an old farmhouse with no a/c. Shade trees on the west side. High ceilings with double hung windows. You were warm, but not overwhelmingly miserable. Now right now I am suffering in my ranch style box. Swamp coolers are no good over 105 and 30% humidity. This weekend I’m going to get an a/c, Mr Gracie1 be damned!


48 posted on 07/12/2012 10:19:21 PM PDT by gracie1 (Look, just because you have to tolerate something doesnÂ’t mean you have to approve of it.)
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To: goldstategop

It’s hot.

I turn on the fan.

I get cool.

“Study” over. Now shut the hell up and go get a real job, morons.


49 posted on 07/12/2012 10:25:58 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Also Sprach Zerothustra)
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To: gracie1

I hope you get some relief.
I would suggest a decent window for a chosen room.
A safe place.


50 posted on 07/12/2012 10:26:46 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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