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California bill would let children have more than two parents (Has Passed the Senate)
Miami Herald ^ | 07.02.12 | Jim Sanders

Posted on 07/05/2012 8:52:20 PM PDT by Red Steel

Beaver had June and Ward.

Ricky had Ozzie and Harriet.

Mom and Dad, same-sex couples or blended families, California law is clear: No more than two legal parents per child.

When adults fight over parenthood, a judge must decide which two have that right and responsibility – but that could end soon.

State Sen. Mark Leno is pushing legislation to allow a child to have multiple parents.

"The bill brings California into the 21st century, recognizing that there are more than Ozzie and Harriet families today," the San Francisco Democrat said.

Surrogate births, same-sex parenthood and assisted reproduction are changing society by creating new possibilities for nontraditional households and relationships.

Benjamin Lopez, legislative analyst for the Traditional Values Coalition, blasted Leno's bill as a new attempt to "revamp, redefine and muddy the waters" of family structure by a leader in the drive to legalize gay marriage.

"It comes as no surprise that he would try to say that a child has more than two parents – that's absurd," said Lopez, whose group calls itself a leading voice for Bible-based values.

Under Leno's bill, if three or more people who acted as parents could not agree on custody, visitation and child support, a judge could split those things up among them.

SB 1476 is not meant to expand the definition of who can qualify as a parent, only to eliminate the limit of two per child.

Under current law, a parent can be a man who signs a voluntary declaration of paternity, for example. It also can be a man who was married and living with a child's mother, or who took a baby into his home and represented the infant as his own.

Leno's bill, which has passed the Senate and is now in the Assembly, would apply equally to men or women, and to straight or gay couples.

Examples of three-parent relationships that could be affected by SB 1476 include:

• A family in which a man began dating a woman while she was pregnant, then raised that child with her for seven years. The youth also had a parental relationship with the biological father.

• A same-sex couple who asked a close male friend to help them conceive, then decided that all three would raise the child.

• A divorce in which a woman and her second husband were the legal parents of a child, but the biological father maintained close ties as well.

SB 1476 stemmed from an appellate court case last year involving a child's biological mother, her same-sex partner, and a man who had an affair with the biological mother and impregnated her while she was separated temporarily from her female lover.

Designating multiple parents in such cases could enhance the child's prospects for financial support, health insurance or Social Security benefits, thus reducing the state's potential financial responsibility, supporters say.

In bitter breakups involving two unfit or incapacitated parents, a judge might have more flexibility to keep a child out of foster care by recognizing the existence of another parent, Leno contends.

The key factor is a child's best interest: SB 1476 does not force judges to do anything, it only provides them with discretion to recognize multiple parents if doing so not only is beneficial, but is required for a child's well-being, Leno said.

Californians give judges great power to split families with the stroke of a pen, so there is a duty to do it right, said Ed Howard, senior counsel for the Children's Advocacy Institute at the University of San Diego School of Law. "And we can't get it right if we're forcing judges to rule against their judgment."

Opponents counter that the issue is complex and that allowing multiple parents in one section of law inevitably raises questions that could spark litigation in other sections.

Tax deductions, citizenship, probate, public assistance, school notifications and Social Security rights all can be affected by determinations of parenthood, notes the Association of Certified Family Law Specialists.

"This bill, in our opinion, if passed, will cause significant unintended consequences," said Diane Wasznicky, the group's president and a family law attorney in Sacramento.

Assemblyman Donald Wagner, an Irvine Republican who opposes SB 1476, noted it could spark litigation, say, in a case of a wrongful death of a child with four potential parents and determining who has a claim.

Karen Anderson, of the California Protective Parents Association, said the legislation could result in a child being bounced among multiple adults in a bitter family breakup.

"It's hard enough for children to be split up two ways, much less multiple ways," she said.

Attorney Catherine Sakimura of the National Center for Lesbian Rights, a co-sponsor of SB 1476, said judges would be required under the bill to consider a child's stability in awarding custody and visitation.

SB 1476 states that concerns about child stability "may mean that not all parents share legal or physical custody."

Wasznicky counters that it makes no sense to declare someone a parent, essential to a youngster's well-being, but then "cut that person out" of the kid's life.

"Either someone is vital enough in a child's life to be labeled a 'parent' and have certain rights and obligations to the child, or the person is not," she contends.

Ellen Pontac, a Davis gay-rights activist, said she and her wife, Shelly Bailes, each had two children when they began their relationship 38 years ago. She understands how someone can function as a child's parent but accrue no legal rights. Government should accommodate changing times, she said.

"I just think that people should be able to create their own lives," she said.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; US: California
KEYWORDS: adoptionlaws; blendedfamilies; groupmarriage; homosexualagenda; leno; lesbianrights; markleno; marriagelaws; polygamy; samesexcouples
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1 posted on 07/05/2012 8:52:25 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

The crazies in CA government want to do for the family what they did for the state budget; blow it to he’ll.


2 posted on 07/05/2012 8:57:32 PM PDT by JohnBrowdie (http://forum.stink-eye.net)
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To: JohnBrowdie

iPad auto-incorrect. He’ll = hell.


3 posted on 07/05/2012 8:59:52 PM PDT by JohnBrowdie (http://forum.stink-eye.net)
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To: Red Steel

Frankenfamilies, its the new normal. This is clearly paving the way for Polygamy.


4 posted on 07/05/2012 9:01:15 PM PDT by HerrBlucher ("The cross opens its arms to the four winds; it is a signpost for free travelers." GK Chesterton)
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To: Red Steel

Declaring themselves above natural law?

Maybe they could outlaw gravity so they can fly to the moon.


5 posted on 07/05/2012 9:02:56 PM PDT by Iron Munro (John Adams: 'Two ways to enslave a country. One is by the sword, the other is by debt')
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To: Red Steel

There was many a time where I could have used a larger parent
pool back in the 60s......more opportunities for a hung jury.

Sure. Since parents aren’t important anymore might as well do
child rearing by committee. Takes a village, ya know.


6 posted on 07/05/2012 9:06:05 PM PDT by Sivad (NorCal Red Turf)
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To: Red Steel

Hillary said it takes a village to raise a child, but that’s only the midpoint in the plan. Eventually the state will take possession.


7 posted on 07/05/2012 9:10:35 PM PDT by ZOOKER ( Exploring the fine line between cynicism and outright depression)
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To: Red Steel

“Californians give judges great power to split families with the stroke of a pen”

Crazy


8 posted on 07/05/2012 9:20:00 PM PDT by Selene
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To: Red Steel
The Democrat led and controlled legislature will pass this bill and the Democrat Governor Moonbeam Brown will sign it.
All Democrat all the time in California.
This state is a ******* joke I wish I was elsewhere.
9 posted on 07/05/2012 9:22:00 PM PDT by funfan
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To: HerrBlucher

Peter Jennings (remember him?) pioneered some of the coupling possibilities. California has always been this way.


10 posted on 07/05/2012 9:23:31 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Red Steel

It won’t be long before it will be legal for a child to have one parent a human being and the other parent an animal (or maybe a tree). Earth is quickly becoming the laughing stock of the galaxy.


11 posted on 07/05/2012 9:24:52 PM PDT by mtg
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To: Red Steel

Ah, a FrankenFamily!

Stitched together from the broken remains of lives, breathed into an apparency of life by legislative fiat.

A mockery of life in a galvanized body...


12 posted on 07/05/2012 9:27:26 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1261 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...)
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To: Red Steel; Revolting cat!; wagglebee; Slings and Arrows

Heather has two mommies, a donor father, a turkey baster, and a llama.


13 posted on 07/05/2012 9:35:12 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Fools.Damn fools.Welcome to the USSA. Socialism is slavery to the State and the Supreme Court did it)
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To: JohnBrowdie

CA outdoing Sodom and Ghomorrah in wickedness.


14 posted on 07/05/2012 9:35:22 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: Red Steel

We’ve been warning everyone we knew about this;
but what has been the result? Full speed ahead.

And do they now know the result of these made-up
“families?” No, we have to bring the result to
fruition before we know about it:

Confused children. Mixed-up adults. Godless
and chaotic society. Adios.


15 posted on 07/05/2012 9:39:01 PM PDT by WKTimpco (Traditional Values Counter Revolution)
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To: Red Steel

SB 1476 stemmed from an appellate court case last year involving a child’s biological mother, her same-sex partner, and a man who had an affair with the biological mother and impregnated her while she was separated temporarily from her female lover.
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So how does it work if the father doesn’t want a third parent, does he have a say? If the two women split, who pays child support and who gets visitation? What if one parent lives in a state that doesn’t recognize this?

My biggest question is do both ACTUAL parents need to agree to this extra parent? This is completely insane!


16 posted on 07/05/2012 9:39:26 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: Irenic

This is more like slavery or property with co-owners.


17 posted on 07/05/2012 9:41:03 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: Iron Munro
Declaring themselves above natural law?

I knew this* was coming... though I kinda thought they'd go after F = ma, being all anti-gun and all.
* thinking themselves above natural law

18 posted on 07/05/2012 9:41:43 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: ZOOKER
Hillary said it takes a village to raise a child, but that’s only the midpoint in the plan. Eventually the state will take possession.

Bingo!
I said much the same thing on a similar thread earlier today. Once the state is the parent, then it's either "game over" for freedom, or things get real interesting.

19 posted on 07/05/2012 9:43:34 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: a fool in paradise

LOL!


21 posted on 07/05/2012 9:53:44 PM PDT by beaversmom
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To: Red Steel
Parent number 3 works in the Federal Building.


22 posted on 07/05/2012 9:54:34 PM PDT by clearcarbon
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To: Red Steel

Great idea, what if the parent is bisexual and loves both sexes?? “My Mommy and two daddies” or “My daddy and two mommies” ( second works for LDS) LOL

Remind me to avoid CA.


23 posted on 07/05/2012 9:57:01 PM PDT by sickoflibs (ABBBO chant: "We must support Romney because he doesn't matter." (Obam-ney Care is bad now ))
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To: Red Steel

“involving a child’s biological mother, her same-sex partner, and a man who had an affair with the biological mother and impregnated her while she was separated temporarily from her female lover.”

This sounds like the premise for a sit-com just begging for Charlie Sheen to star in...


24 posted on 07/05/2012 10:01:37 PM PDT by Stormdog (A rifle transforms one from subject to Citizen)
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To: Red Steel

Wow we are really becoming a freak show here in Kalifornia.


25 posted on 07/05/2012 10:03:51 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Obamaid has to go.)
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To: Tzar

OK, the men Freepers can pay for Freerepublicita’s support and the women Freepers can work out visitation. I would like Saturdays. There will be so many co-owners one day of visitation is the most we can hope for. What religion will she be?


26 posted on 07/05/2012 10:07:16 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: Sivad

You know, I got a boatload of college student loans to payoff, any prospective parents out there feeling flush ?


27 posted on 07/05/2012 10:07:25 PM PDT by onona (Of course you have to say is like George C. Scott....)
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What a bunch of deranged asswipes.


28 posted on 07/05/2012 10:08:45 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: Red Steel

It takes a village... /sarcasm -off


29 posted on 07/05/2012 10:10:16 PM PDT by ColdSteelTalon (Light is fading to shadow, and casting its shroud over all we have known...)
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To: Red Steel

“I just think that people should be able to create their own lives,” she said.

****

Sure, sweetheart ...as long as you assume responsibility for the consequences of that life you “create.”

But somehow, it just never seems to work out that way, does it.


30 posted on 07/05/2012 10:12:14 PM PDT by LibsRJerks
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To: Irenic

Can we go ahead and agree on the # of tattoos and piercings she can get now?


31 posted on 07/05/2012 10:15:19 PM PDT by txhurl (Scott Walker is my President.)
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They could probably use a show dog co-owner type contract...
http://www.lawfordogs.com/assets/PDFs/lmc%20coownership.pdf


33 posted on 07/05/2012 10:17:40 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: onona

Sorry I can’t help you. I barely get by. May I suggest you lurk
the nearest Sun City. You may get recognized as some couple’s
long lost grandchild. Wear a white belt/shoes.


34 posted on 07/05/2012 10:20:00 PM PDT by Sivad (NorCal Red Turf)
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To: Tzar

Then there’s ballet, soccer, girl scouts and piano to sort out. Who’s going to manage the cookie sales program?


35 posted on 07/05/2012 10:21:23 PM PDT by txhurl (Scott Walker is my President.)
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To: Red Steel

Just one more thing to f**k up the kids.


36 posted on 07/05/2012 10:35:44 PM PDT by peggybac
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To: Red Steel

Does the name Jerry Sandusky ring a bell for anyone?


38 posted on 07/05/2012 10:56:40 PM PDT by old school
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To: txhurl

She will need a Marine Corp and Moms tattoo. We can get her a tongue piercing or maybe instead we can have her tongue split? We can buy her certificates to get the really fat fish lips and a big bubble butt.


39 posted on 07/05/2012 11:10:55 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: Red Steel

This is being promoted as a gay rights measure but it is going to be used by old fashioned vindictive divorced women to alienate their children from their fathers, by adding their new husbands in as legal parents, which is now impossible if the ex-husband won’t relinquish paternity.


40 posted on 07/05/2012 11:22:29 PM PDT by only1percent
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To: only1percent

or the wife adding her new wife in as legal parents.

***Millionaire J Crew boss who painted five-year-old son’s toenails pink splits from husband - and moves on with lesbian lover
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2053282/Jenna-Lyons-divorce-J-Crew-boss-splits-husband-Vincent-Mazeau-lesbian-lover.html#ixzz1c0HxNjMe


41 posted on 07/05/2012 11:52:46 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: Red Steel

The destruction of fatherhood continues...


42 posted on 07/06/2012 12:52:17 AM PDT by Crucial (Tolerance at the expense of equal treatment is the path to tyranny.)
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To: Red Steel

And they ask why these kids are so screwed up today.


43 posted on 07/06/2012 3:59:00 AM PDT by ronnie raygun (B B)
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To: Red Steel
We want to adopt a child

Because eveyone knows
It takes a village to raise a child.


44 posted on 07/06/2012 5:12:13 AM PDT by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: Irenic
What religion will she be?

Sunday - Catholic

Monday - Muslim

Tuesday - Jewish

Wednesday - Wiccan

Thursday - Speakin' in tongues, snake handling, poison drinking testifyin' Holy Roller

Friday - Hindu

Saturday - Athiest so she can PARTY!!!!!

45 posted on 07/06/2012 5:17:05 AM PDT by 3catsanadog (Scats for Newt!)
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To: 3catsanadog

Monday - Muslim
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I think we can fill Monday with something other than Muslim. I don’t think our one conservative, republican, Muslim stayed.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2900657/posts

:p


46 posted on 07/06/2012 5:49:34 AM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: Iron Munro

> Maybe they could outlaw gravity so they can fly to the moon.

That must be why they are called, “moonbats”.

ba-da-bing!


47 posted on 07/06/2012 7:24:41 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: ZOOKER
"Eventually the state will take possession."

Exactly why such a monstrosity of a bad bill has a chance of passing. Raising the odds 33% that one parent will sue, and therefore put the whole sordid 'family' into The System, and make them all wards of The State.

48 posted on 07/06/2012 8:48:57 AM PDT by StAnDeliver
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To: Red Steel

New book in the works..

The working title is:
I’ve Got Two Mommies,One Dad and A Transgendered Person, From Gautemala, Who I Call Nanna, That Takes Care Of Me On the Weekends.


49 posted on 07/06/2012 8:53:57 AM PDT by Leep (Enemy of the StatistI)
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To: Red Steel

Wow. So some illegal kid can bring all his “parents” over here. :)


50 posted on 07/06/2012 10:22:00 AM PDT by Tzimisce (THIS SUCKS)
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