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GOP Healthcare Plan (Vanity)

Posted on 07/05/2012 3:17:34 PM PDT by firedawg76

OK fellow Freepers, I'm in need of some assistance. I am constantly getting into debates with liberals I work with who, of course, just love ObamaTaxCare. Like good liberals, when I present them facts demonstrating what a terrible law this is, they simply ignore them.

One problem I have is that when they ask what the Republicans plan is, I'm having some difficulty. I know what the tenets of the Republicans plan would look like, such as tort reform, selling insurance across State lines, high risk pools, etc. Has there been formally been a plan introduced by the GOP or Mittens yet? I have to admit that if they have put one out, I haven't been paying attention as closely as I should be. If they haven't, I definitely think they need to put out something. I don't think just saying we will dump ObamaTaxCare is enough. I believe we need to have something to tell the American Public what will be put in it's place as a viable alternative. Thanks for any assistance!


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To: SoConPubbie
AN individual mandate forcing the redistribution of wealth by forcing those who earned the money to give it to those who didn't earn so they could have Health Insurance, backed up by a fine if you did not pay for the mandatory insurance.

and yet completely within the right of a state to do

61 posted on 07/05/2012 6:29:48 PM PDT by sloop (don't touch my junk)
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To: privatedrive
There is a third funding mechanism: ‘pay for service’. If you need it, buy it. I know this doesn’t address other issues, like ‘what if I can’t afford it’, but it must be allowed, even encouraged.

Well yes, this doesn't need reform, except for the part where they jack up your bill to pay for "free healthcare" for some illegal alien. (cost shifting)

This is a major tenet of consumer driven "healthcare", a core position of the GOP.

Who do you think laid out the blueprints for the hottest selling product on the market today?...(Health Savings Accounts)

62 posted on 07/05/2012 6:30:26 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: MV=PY
Have a look at the cost of market-driven medical procedures like lasik and cosmetic surgeries. These technologies were allowed to flourish outside of the formal “medical insurance” domain, and show the power of the free market meeting demand.

Can you imagine what the healthcare industry could be if the power of competition were unleashed?

bingo

63 posted on 07/05/2012 6:33:35 PM PDT by sloop (don't touch my junk)
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To: sloop

Thanks, sloop.

This has devastated me. I work in healthcare, and I can see exactly what this will bring.

Ever see the movie “Gettysburg”? There is a scene where General Longstreet looks out at the field across which Pickett’s Charge would take place, and he said something like “I can see it as though it has already happened...”

I feel as though I can see what will happen to our health system. Of course, there are plenty of examples that amply demonstrate that. But what I fear most is the choice I may have to someday make, if I will become a government employee and be part of the union.

I hope to God I can make the right choice without rationalizing the wrong one.


64 posted on 07/05/2012 6:35:25 PM PDT by rlmorel ("The safest road to Hell is the gradual one." Screwtape (C.S. Lewis))
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To: firedawg76

It seems that the Republicans have bought into the Democratic argument that healthcare is a responsibility of the federal government. It is not! Historically, healthcare policies have been up to the states (and to the individual). Things really got screwed up when the feds got involved. We need to return these programs to the states and remove all federal mandates/regulations regarding them. The states are the laboratories of democracy...let them have a go at it!


65 posted on 07/05/2012 6:39:59 PM PDT by wheezewiz
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To: privatedrive

when a guy that works for me was injured in a car wreck, we all descended on the hospital room - but had a difficult time listening to all his quacking - we had him moved into a suite - so we could ‘be there’ for him while escaping into another room

when we checked him out, i wrote a check for the hospital - which was only 40% of the bill

they gave me 60% off because i paid cash


66 posted on 07/05/2012 6:40:34 PM PDT by sloop (don't touch my junk)
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To: firedawg76

We have the best health care system in the world.

Let’s not fix something that isn’t broken.


67 posted on 07/05/2012 6:43:23 PM PDT by 2111USMC (Not a hard man to track. Leaves dead men wherever he goes.)
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To: rlmorel
well gawdluvyadarlin and all those in the industry

we've had our snit fit - figured out the fit did not fix anything - and now regrouping for another attack

people need to realize that these costs are high for reasons - healthcare will never be cheap

and the much maligned greed argument is foolish - greed creates medical advancements - NOTHING comes out of france or england or france - we are IT - the end of the line - if obamacare stands we will NEVER have a cure for ms - or cancer - or any other disease

that is never pointed out

68 posted on 07/05/2012 6:49:05 PM PDT by sloop (don't touch my junk)
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To: sloop
and yet completely within the right of a state to do

Yes, and so is Abortion.

Neither is conservative, moral, or ethical, but you're right, completely within the right of a state do do.

I can't believe the nonsense that declared conservatives will engage in in order to defend their choice to support a known lying, left-wing, Progressive Liberal like Mitt Romney.
69 posted on 07/05/2012 7:23:21 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: privatedrive
but it can be argued that Socialism as a concept does not apply on the State level, because people can move freely between states. At least that’s what Mittens should argue.

In what alternate universe do you live?

How can it be argued that Socialism as a concept does not apploy at the State level?

Please enlighten everyone on this latest tack of defending the indefensible in Mitt Romney's record.
70 posted on 07/05/2012 7:29:18 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: SoConPubbie
and i can't believe the wackjobs that claim to be the ideal conservative - so willing to trash a state's right just to hate on romney

to be clear - you are every bit as willing to trash the constitution to suit your irrational hate

and clearer - you are the wackjob

71 posted on 07/05/2012 7:41:57 PM PDT by sloop (don't touch my junk)
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To: wheezewiz
It seems that the Republicans have bought into the Democratic argument that healthcare is a responsibility of the federal government.

It may seem that way to you, but how did you come to that conclusion...the liberal media?

72 posted on 07/05/2012 7:46:57 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: sloop
"...if obamacare stands we will NEVER have a cure for ms - or cancer - or any other disease..."

You get it.

People will be getting injected with crushed up apricot pits, if they are lucky and have money.

73 posted on 07/05/2012 7:54:17 PM PDT by rlmorel ("The safest road to Hell is the gradual one." Screwtape (C.S. Lewis))
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To: firedawg76
The Republicans put together at least three bills that I'm aware of. They may have put together more. I knew I'd saved at least one of the bills and had to dig through the stuff I've saved to find it. Needed to get the bill number since I couldn't remember it.

This is the bill sponsored by Sen. Baucus in 2009 and it's only a couple hundred pages, versus the ObamaTax monstrosity.

74 posted on 07/05/2012 8:02:34 PM PDT by radu (May God watch over our troops and keep them safe)
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To: sloop
people need to realize that these costs are high for reasons

Yes, mostly because hospitals are subsidizing "bad debt" and "charity care" with your artificially inflated costs.

75 posted on 07/05/2012 8:10:28 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

one drug costs a billion dollars to bring to market

the ‘charity care’ was mandated by congress


76 posted on 07/05/2012 8:15:21 PM PDT by sloop (don't touch my junk)
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To: sloop
one drug costs a billion dollars to bring to market

Yeah, that's a whole 'nother can of worms that needs to be addressed...and fixed. Meanwhile, if you want to try an unapproved pharmaceutical, you just need to take a little "medical vacation."

the ‘charity care’ was mandated by congress

Well, and not to mention the Hippocratic Oath...that's all well and good, but they need to find another way to pay for it besides the legalized extortion they practice now.

77 posted on 07/05/2012 8:44:48 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

so the answer is not repeal and replace - its repeal and repeal and repeal...


78 posted on 07/05/2012 9:04:33 PM PDT by sloop (don't touch my junk)
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To: sloop

Couldn’t have said it better myself!

EXCEPT to add that if pressed for a “plan,” here’s what it should be.

“You pay for your own goddamned health care and I’ll pay for mine.”

If Myth could gather the stones to utter either your version or mine, I might actually be able to get behind him.

Hank


79 posted on 07/05/2012 9:22:23 PM PDT by County Agent Hank Kimball (Screw it. Newt's the smartest candidate and the guy I want to see debating Obummer. Flame away.)
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To: sloop

Well, I think that slogan is pretty much political in nature, but I wouldn’t mind seeing those specific free-market reforms put in place.

If you could buy coverage from any state, and found one that allowed total underwriting and gave premium discounts for various health behavior actions...

If you could be in a class of normally healthy people instead of the universe of all people...healthy and terminal...

If there were a cap on malpractice suits...

If you moved to another state and wanted to take your policy with you...

If you could pick or exclude your choice the specific medical coverages you want...

If you could get large group coverage through your NRA membership, or your local credit union...

Wouldn’t you want those provisions enacted?


80 posted on 07/05/2012 9:24:14 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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