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Found While Hiking: Stash of AK-47s
Townhall.com ^ | July 2, 2012 | Katie Pavlich

Posted on 07/02/2012 6:18:03 PM PDT by Kaslin

No big deal....despite the fact that a stash of AK-47s was found along a hiking trail in not Colombia, not Mexico but in....Arizona.

A hiker in the Madera Canyon area found three assault rifles in a black trash bag one mile north of Old Baldy Trail.

After receiving a report of the discovery on Wednesday, June 20, the Pima County Sheriff’s Office determined that the rifles were found in Santa Cruz County, and notified the local sheriff’s office.

Santa Cruz County Sheriff’s deputies then went to the site and recovered what turned out to be a stash of AK-47 assault rifles.

Lt. Raoul Rodriguez said the rifles were “badly rusted” and had “obviously been there for quite some time.” Four rifle magazines were also recovered.

Hikers apparently are now subject to Mexican drug cartels stashing powerful weapons along areas where they used to be able to safely enjoy being outdoors. I'll be interested to know if any of these guns are linked to Operation Fast and Furious however, even if they are, I doubt ATF will be letting us know because after all, more Fast and Furious weapons traced means more bad PR for Holder's Justice Department.

On a more serious note, this is an example of what local law enforcement is up against on a daily basis. It's a war down there. Learn more by reading about my ride along with a Pinal County Sheriff's SWAT Team member. 

Nearby is the infamous Vekol Valley, the largest hotbed of drug and human smuggling in the United States and where a Pinal County Deputy was shot in April 2010. Vekol is surrounded by nasty mountain ranges on both sides. There is wide-open desert starting from mile marker 160 on I-8 and stretching all the way to Mexico. Because of the terrain, Vekol acts as a funnel. As we drove into the area, I could feel that it just wasn’t a safe place to be.

Cartels also take advantage of the Tohono O’odham Indian Reservation on the west side of Vekol Valley. They use it as an entry point, marry into Indian families so they can live on the reservation and, if a village is small enough, cartel members will simply walk in and take property by lethal force.

While we were driving near Vekol, Thomas explained the “terrain” problem to me after pulling off the side of the road to show me the “Travel Caution: Smuggling and Illegal Immigration May Be Encountered in This Area" sign provided by Homeland Security. (Remember, according to Janet Napolitano, the border is secure.) He said the cartels have a vast intelligence network. Men known as “spotters” sit up on the top of hills and mountains with cell phones and radios, calling drug running crews in the U.S. and Mexico about where Sheriff vehicles are located and where Border Patrol is cruising. Usually, as soon as Thomas shows up on patrol, the cartels are watching and know exactly where he is. For the spotters, failing to identify where U.S. authorities are located can result in a beating or even death. If a spotter calls into the boss in Mexico or down the road, says that they are clear to come through with a load, but then the authorities show up and seize the load, that spotter pays the price for the loss.

But these cartels aren’t just targeting Border Patrol. U.S. citizens travelling along I-8 who stop for a restroom break often find themselves carjacked right off the road. The area can’t be used for camping, hiking or hunting as it used to be because the area is dangerous and drug and human smugglers are carrying high-powered weapons like AK-47s.

“If you see too much you may get killed out here because they [cartel members] don’t want witnesses,” Thomas said.



TOPICS: Editorial; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: 2deadfeds; 300deadmexicans; ak47s; aliens; arizona; atf; banglist; borderwars; cache; cartel; dea; dhs; doj; drugrunners; fastandfurious; fbi; gunrunner; gunwalker; holder; humansmuggling; ice; murdergate; obama
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1 posted on 07/02/2012 6:18:07 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

I would grab 2 of them and shut up! and hope I didn’t lose them in an upcoming canoeing accident...


2 posted on 07/02/2012 6:19:40 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (REPEAL OBAMACARE. Nothing else matters.)
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To: Kaslin

Imagine that...


3 posted on 07/02/2012 6:20:45 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (FR: Now, More Than Ever.)
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To: Kaslin

Bush Did It !!!!


4 posted on 07/02/2012 6:21:31 PM PDT by eglman
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To: Kaslin

If it had happened to me....

It would be a paradox, I wouldn’t be posting, nobody would know.


5 posted on 07/02/2012 6:22:24 PM PDT by Eye of Unk (Is your state Obamacare free yet?)
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To: Kaslin

Very bad reaction on the part of the hiker.


6 posted on 07/02/2012 6:22:57 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

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Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

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7 posted on 07/02/2012 6:23:30 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Kaslin

So if the media says they were AK-47s, any guesses what they really were? Paintball guns? Ruger Mini-22s? Slingshots? Car parts?


8 posted on 07/02/2012 6:23:50 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

can’t be bothered with AK-47s ,they have work permits to issue


9 posted on 07/02/2012 6:23:57 PM PDT by molson209
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

That would be my first thought as well. Keep 2, at least, and report the third at worst, so at least they’re aware of activity in the area.


10 posted on 07/02/2012 6:24:12 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

“badly rusted”.

There’s probably a story here...some guy brought them out there five years ago for a purpose. He got whacked by someone else, and the weapons were lost to ‘history’.

Now, it would be interesting to know if they were bought within the US and who was the original owner, if that were true.


11 posted on 07/02/2012 6:26:02 PM PDT by pepsionice
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Kaslin.


12 posted on 07/02/2012 6:26:07 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Kaslin

Don’t ever report such a find to he current administrations agents.

You will be killed and the democrats will do everything in their power to stop any murder investigation.


13 posted on 07/02/2012 6:26:18 PM PDT by NoLibZone (We must get down on our knees each day and thank God that McCain/Palin didn't win in '08.)
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To: mnehring
So if the media says they were AK-47s, any guesses what they really were? Paintball guns? Ruger Mini-22s? Slingshots? Car parts?

No way to tell without pics.


14 posted on 07/02/2012 6:27:46 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (My dog, yes. My wife, maybe. My gun....NEVER!)
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To: RaisingCain

You’re assuming there were only three to begin with! Maybe he kept the non-rusted specimens.


15 posted on 07/02/2012 6:28:28 PM PDT by cbvanb
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To: Kaslin

Random bags of free guns?

It’s freaking Christmas!


16 posted on 07/02/2012 6:28:36 PM PDT by TSgt (The only reason I have one in the chamber at all times, is because it is impossible to have two in.)
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To: Kaslin

Eric Witholder’s absence during the period in question was noted... ;-)


17 posted on 07/02/2012 6:28:40 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: NoLibZone

Per Janet’s order you must run and hide—until bad man is gone.


18 posted on 07/02/2012 6:28:40 PM PDT by eglman
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To: Kaslin

They’re just undocumented home defense tools.


19 posted on 07/02/2012 6:28:45 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: RaisingCain

I would report them as they could be important. I would also file a claim to them as lost property. If the owners not found they should be mine.

Of course actually getting them back would be highly unlikely even if the law says they should.


20 posted on 07/02/2012 6:29:50 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: elkfersupper

I’ trying to picture the guy.....

Earrings....

Can’t make out whether he’s wearing Gucci’s or Birkenstocks.


21 posted on 07/02/2012 6:30:55 PM PDT by Tucker39 ( Psa 68:19Blessed be the Lord, who daily loadeth us with benefits; even the God of our salvation.KJV)
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To: Kaslin

“Assault Weapons”, really?

So they have a three position selector, an auto-sear, and fire more than a single shot with a single pull of the trigger?
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Yah, I didn’t think so!


22 posted on 07/02/2012 6:31:29 PM PDT by Loyal Sedition
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To: Kaslin
"Hikers apparently are now subject to Mexican drug cartels stashing powerful weapons along areas where they used to be able to safely enjoy..."

Either the cartels, or Holder's Just Us Dept. stashed them. Wouldn't be surprised.

23 posted on 07/02/2012 6:31:53 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: cbvanb

You’re assuming there were only three to begin with! Maybe he kept the non-rusted specimens.


Hahahaha! Good point.


24 posted on 07/02/2012 6:31:53 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: Kaslin

The only thing better than free guns would be Castle Anthrax...

Castle Anthrax
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtcSYPjJbgg


25 posted on 07/02/2012 6:32:06 PM PDT by TSgt (The only reason I have one in the chamber at all times, is because it is impossible to have two in.)
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To: elkfersupper

I’ trying to picture the guy.....

Earrings....

Can’t make out whether he’s wearing Gucci’s or Birkenstocks.


26 posted on 07/02/2012 6:32:06 PM PDT by Tucker39 ( Psa 68:19Blessed be the Lord, who daily loadeth us with benefits; even the God of our salvation.KJV)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free
the rifles were “badly rusted” and had “obviously been there for quite some time.”

They don't exactly sound serviceable. But the Chicago PD will give your $100 a pop, no questions asked.

27 posted on 07/02/2012 6:33:09 PM PDT by Poison Pill (Take your silver lining and SHOVE IT!)
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult

I forgot to add that they’re only here to do machine gunning that American guns wont.


28 posted on 07/02/2012 6:33:21 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: Kaslin

In the late 70s, the canyon was used by Special Forces for multiple training runs. Not too surprising,...unless it continued for another 30 years.


29 posted on 07/02/2012 6:33:26 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

Hadn’t we as private citizens better move forward to implement Obama’s Civilian Defense Force, Equipped as well militarily and Financially as the military?

Has anyone ever heard of Citizens’s arrest?

Just Askin’


30 posted on 07/02/2012 6:33:31 PM PDT by TFMcGuire (Liberalism Is Hatred)
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To: Kaslin

How do we know Mexican gangs stashed them? They could have been stashed there by Holder’s boys.


31 posted on 07/02/2012 6:34:32 PM PDT by pallis
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult

That’s the great thing about AKs they work, rusty
or not.


32 posted on 07/02/2012 6:34:51 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Kaslin

I should be so lucky...


33 posted on 07/02/2012 6:36:33 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: Kaslin
The cops will be arresting the hikers who tipped them off.

They always do whatever is easiest.

34 posted on 07/02/2012 6:38:09 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: Kaslin

“Mr. Eric Holder, Mr. Eric Holder”, “Please Pick up a White Couresty Phone. Mr. Issa is holding.”


35 posted on 07/02/2012 6:38:21 PM PDT by TaMoDee ( Lassez les bons temps rouler dans les 2012! Allez Pack!)
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To: Kaslin

Author called them Magazines and not Clips!


36 posted on 07/02/2012 6:38:35 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: Loyal Sedition
"“Assault Weapons”, really? So they have a three position selector, an auto-sear, and fire more than a single shot with a single pull of the trigger?

Well maybe they were not "Assault Weapons". Maybe they were Rape Weapons, Arson Weapons, or Kidnapping Weapons... it could be a whole variety of criminal weapons aside from assault.

37 posted on 07/02/2012 6:42:56 PM PDT by GregoTX (Federalist)
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To: Kaslin

FAst and Furious was about arming a reconquista set of Mexican radicals who have promised to start war in red states?

BRING IT!


38 posted on 07/02/2012 6:49:28 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article: http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: Kaslin
Hmmm...If a trival "3" is considered a stash, I can only imagine the word "holocaust" will be used when the obamacare brownshirts come for my inventory...

Yep! I'm referring those carefully MIL-C-11796C Class 3 protected cans of peaches.......

39 posted on 07/02/2012 6:50:34 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: Kaslin

See it:

http://www.blogdelnarco.com


40 posted on 07/02/2012 6:50:40 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article: http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: pepsionice

Aw, a little rust won’t hurt an AK. If they were full auto units it would be hard to pass them up.


41 posted on 07/02/2012 6:54:13 PM PDT by refermech
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To: Eye of Unk
I never get any good prizes.

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42 posted on 07/02/2012 6:56:16 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: pepsionice

The badly rusted thing caught my eye as well. Especially since this is not very far from Tuscon and Davis-Monthan AFB aircraft boneyard. You know, the place that was chosen just because of the conditions there to be one of the best for minimal rusting of metals? Almost none.


43 posted on 07/02/2012 6:57:47 PM PDT by mazda77 (and I am a Native Texan)
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To: Kaslin

“Hikers apparently are now subject to Mexican drug cartels stashing powerful weapons along areas where they used to be able to safely enjoy being outdoors.”

While the cartels may be dangerous, does the author think the rusty AK’s are going to jump up and shoot the hikers?


44 posted on 07/02/2012 7:02:36 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: cripplecreek

A friend of mine one dark night found a bull barrel .22 pistol complete in a shoulder holster outside a local bar in the parking lot, it was a custom gun.

I paid him $100 for it...really fast! he had no clue what it was built as.


45 posted on 07/02/2012 7:03:20 PM PDT by Eye of Unk (Is your state Obamacare free yet?)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

I wouldn’t touch them, or report them. Could be an ATF honey pot.


46 posted on 07/02/2012 7:03:47 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Kaslin

This supports my claim.

Obama and Calderon got together because neither of them could stop the bad press they were getting from the deaths and beheadings. So... a deal was made and the Sinaloa Cartel has been given the border of Arizona as an unrestricted smuggling highway. Obama and Calderon get credit for stopping the violence and closing the borders (in Texas, anyway).

Everyone on the way of Operation ‘Razing Arizona’ dies, or is sent to Iraq.

Agent Terry was ‘in the way’.


47 posted on 07/02/2012 7:09:33 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: Cboldt

The fruits of one of the ATF’s straw purchases?


48 posted on 07/02/2012 7:10:41 PM PDT by popdonnelly (The first priority is get Obama out of the White House.)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

He left the rusted ones...


49 posted on 07/02/2012 7:12:13 PM PDT by eartrumpet
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To: Kaslin

“Cartels also take advantage of the Tohono O’odham Indian Reservation”

Its a freekin wide open corridor for them as the Indians wont allow any law enforcement in there.


50 posted on 07/02/2012 7:12:31 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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