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Reality Check: If Healthcare Law Is A Tax Is It Now Invalid?
Fox 19 ^ | 6-28-12 | BenSwann

Posted on 06/29/2012 9:40:23 PM PDT by Revel

According to Ben, then if Obamacare is a tax as per the USSC, then the bill had to originate in the house. He claims that it did not. Watch the Video. Can anyone with great understanding validate if what he says is true. Did the final bill not originate in the house? Someone at youtube suggests that the senate used a gutted bill from the house. True or False?


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1 posted on 06/29/2012 9:40:31 PM PDT by Revel
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To: Revel

A link to the Video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=iyLU9-VqVxY


2 posted on 06/29/2012 9:41:04 PM PDT by Revel
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To: Revel

It was a House bill.


3 posted on 06/29/2012 9:45:26 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (Roberts Care is Romney Care on Steroids)
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To: P-Marlowe; Revel

My understanding...Reid knew he needed a vehicle from the House, so he pulled the cheap trick of using a bill that came over and simply replaced what was written on those pages with what he wanted it to say.

It was all a technicality. The content was not a House bill.

Nevertheless that’s what he did and he got away with it. How often such things are done there, I don’t know.


4 posted on 06/29/2012 9:52:19 PM PDT by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR." - Glenn Beck)
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To: Revel

If it’s a tax they overturn it with a simple majority, filibuster-proof, via reconciliation


5 posted on 06/29/2012 9:53:58 PM PDT by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: Revel
True, the Senate gutted a House bill and inserted the language of ObamaCare. It had been "Service Members Home Ownership Tax Act"

Here's the House vote on that bill before it was gutted by amendment in the Senate: http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2009/roll768.xml

Notice the bill history

They used every trick in the book to overcome opposition.

6 posted on 06/29/2012 9:55:04 PM PDT by newzjunkey
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To: P-Marlowe

It was a House bill but, interestingly enough, it was not the House healthcare bill. That one never got taken up by the Senate.


7 posted on 06/29/2012 9:57:02 PM PDT by newzjunkey
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To: txrangerette
It was all a technicality. The content was not a House bill.

Take it up with the Supreme Court. Yeah, that's the ticket. They are sure to void the law based on that technicality. /s

8 posted on 06/29/2012 9:57:02 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (Roberts Care is Romney Care on Steroids)
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To: newzjunkey; All; Admin Moderator

Thanks for checking it out. I guess Ben got it wrong and his claim was too good to be true.

Moderator- Please remove from front page news.


9 posted on 06/29/2012 9:58:35 PM PDT by Revel
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To: txrangerette

” How often such things are done there, I don’t know.”

And IMO you really don’t WANT to know. Same thing with exactly how sausages are made (not to mention chicken nuggets;)


10 posted on 06/29/2012 10:00:30 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: Revel

“According to Ben, then if Obamacare is a tax as per the USSC, then the bill had to originate in the house.”

All of these articles decrying the legality of ObamaCare, or attacking it on procedural grounds, assume that Obama gives a rat’s *ss about the customary rules and regulations of the American legislative process - or even the constitution.

Clearly, he does not.

And all of the opinions rendered about how the Republicans are going to nullify it later ignore the twin facts that: 1. RomneyCare preceded ObamaCare by several years, and it is therefore highly unlikely that Romney - assuming he’s elected - will do anything at all about this new law; and, 2. The Republicans are a fighting bunch - they’re most certainly not; they’re all out to pasture baaaing while the democrats shear them or simply asleep and serving time while they collect enormous salaries, gigantic benefits, and generous pensions for doing absolutely nothing but posturing for cameras and writing fictional letters home, mailed with their franking privileges, telling everyone what a big job they’re doing.

Hate to rain on anyone’s parade, but when Roberts blew it, it was thereupon destined to stay blown.


11 posted on 06/29/2012 10:02:19 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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The fact that the mandate is a "tax" does not change anything. We never needed anything but a simple majority to repeal 0-care. It was passed on a budget reconciliation, and can therefore be repealed with the same trick.
12 posted on 06/29/2012 10:04:44 PM PDT by FredZarguna (When you find yourself arguing against Scalia and Thomas, you AREN'T a conservative.)
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To: Jack Hammer

“Hate to rain on anyone’s parade...”

Not really.


13 posted on 06/29/2012 10:05:54 PM PDT by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR." - Glenn Beck)
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To: Frank_2001
Same thing with exactly how sausages are made...

Here is how "sausages", AKA laws, are made in Texas...

14 posted on 06/29/2012 10:09:10 PM PDT by C210N ("ask not what the candidate can do for you, ask what you can do for the candidate" (Breitbart, 2012))
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To: Revel
It's irrelevant whether it originated in the House for the same "clever" (read: illegal) reasoning by which Roberts' liberal majority found that the Court had not violated the Anti-Injunction Act. The Bill was not passed as a tax, therefore it was not a tax for procedural or legal purposes until the USSC "discovered" it was a tax.

Howzzat again?

Read the decision. The pertinent legalese is between pages 39-44. It's a logical abortion worthy of Alice in Wonderland.

15 posted on 06/29/2012 10:10:22 PM PDT by FredZarguna (When you find yourself arguing against Scalia and Thomas, you AREN'T a conservative.)
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To: newzjunkey

Bookmark. Great post, thanks!


16 posted on 06/29/2012 10:15:52 PM PDT by JerseyDvl (Cogito Ergo Doleo Soetoro, ABO and of course FUBO!)
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To: Frank_2001
As far as I'm concerned, nuggets come from this place:


17 posted on 06/29/2012 10:19:40 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Jack Hammer

Romney might have a difficult time ignoring a Republican-dominated Congress in 2013. If this scenario pans out, there will be a mandate that Obamacare be repealed and since Romney’s not black he’ll be held accountable for inaction. The repeal would have to take place if the Repubs sweep Congress.. No two ways about it. It’s the ‘replace’ part that’ll get ugly because we’ll end up with government intrusion of health care no matter what, to appease the news media. MUST answer to the news media, right?


18 posted on 06/29/2012 10:22:13 PM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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Romney might have a difficult time ignoring a Republican-dominated Congress in 2013.

You've got it exactly backwards. The Republican-dominated Congress is going to have a hard time saying no to Romney, who will be the leader of their party.

They're going to give him what he wants, and the Dems will go along with it, because Romney will continue to forward their agenda. Just like he did in Massachusetts.

19 posted on 06/29/2012 10:35:58 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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20 posted on 06/29/2012 11:13:47 PM PDT by tflabo (Truth or tyranny)
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