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1 posted on 06/29/2012 7:28:12 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem
What's not a myth is that national healthcare to stay for a while and society is in for a big change.

With Obamacare, there will be four social classes of American people, non-contributing recipients, those exempted from the system by wavers(to be termed "wavers"), screwers and screwees. Don't worry. Great care will be taken so those of us designated to be the screwees will be screwed equally.

Just remember, you can run but you just can't hide from Obamacare.

2 posted on 06/29/2012 7:40:04 PM PDT by oyez ( .Apparently The U.S. CONSTITUTION has been reduced to the consistency of quicksand.)
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To: neverdem
Myth #1: Healthcare costs -
Consider a comparison of healthcare in the 1950s versus today. In the 1950s, you had none of the subsequent developments in pharmaceuticals, surgery, diagnosis, etc. How much would you pay for that versus today’s healthcare?

With this reasoning, all the vast improvements to Personal Computers would make them prohibitively expensive today. The Radio Shack TRS-80 debuted in 1977 with a 1.7 Mh processor and 4K of RAM for $600. $600 can buy you a a decent 2.4 Gh dual-core with 2 gig RAM today. And $600 today is worth a LOT less than it was in 1977. With this guys reasoning a PC of today should cost, say, $6000 or more!

3 posted on 06/29/2012 8:20:44 PM PDT by jeffc (Welcome to the United Socialist States of America)
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To: neverdem

In looking at obamacare we also need to consider some political myths;

Myth #1 the GOP will repeal obamacare. This is clearly a myth. In much the same way that the GOP tacitly supports illegal immigration, it supports obamacare. Keep in mind that there is going to be plenty of money made fleecing the taxpayers and the GOP, or perhaps more accurately, those who matter in the GOP, want their share of the boodle. This is not to say that the GOP won’t put on a good show of attempting a repeal, but rest assured that it will always be just a little too hard to do.

Myth #2 we need to elect GOP candidates so we can put more “conservatives” on the courts. This is particularly laughable given recent events.


4 posted on 06/29/2012 9:20:28 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Thank you Chief Justice Arnold!)
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To: neverdem

There is nothing to fix. It is broken beyond repair. The total system is going to fail.
Any element of it that could be fixed will be fought over by both parties.

Neither side wants to fix it, they want to replace medicare with deathcare


5 posted on 06/29/2012 9:56:11 PM PDT by South Dakota (shut up and drill)
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To: neverdem
Imagine we develop a cure for all cancers that costs a flat $1 million per person and works perfectly.

We pay a lot more than that for ones the don't work, so why not?

The idea that any treatment runs more than a million dollars is a testament to legalized robbery that the health industry performa regularly.

7 posted on 06/29/2012 11:41:08 PM PDT by itsahoot (That Coup d'état we had in 08, It is now complete, with unlimited power.)
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To: neverdem
No sometimes we pay more and get less...

the cost conundrum

9 posted on 06/30/2012 2:00:35 AM PDT by MarMema (freedom for Amir)
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To: neverdem
No sometimes we pay more and get less...

the cost conundrum

10 posted on 06/30/2012 2:00:50 AM PDT by MarMema (freedom for Amir)
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To: neverdem
Part of the reason we spend more is other countries have price controls and we don’t.

We need some help with price controls.

Here in Washington state Regence has a surplus far beyond what it needs and quite literally ripped people off in a variety of ways. One of the really cute things they did was refer people to a phone line on Thursdays only and then no one ever answered the phone. Ever.

Look I don't want the IRS or the federal govt in my healthcare but many many health insurance companies are as corrupt as they come...

It’s not just state employees and retirees being affected by problems at Regence Blue Shield, Washington’s insurance commissioner says.

Regence seeks rate increase

WA health insurers have record surpluses

11 posted on 06/30/2012 2:17:40 AM PDT by MarMema (freedom for Amir)
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To: neverdem

Very good article in general. One thing I noticed though, in the Myth #1 about the “price” of health care soaring, he should have talked about how having the gubmint involved in health care in an ever increasing role has driven up COST (just like everything else that gubmint puts their filthy hands on).


12 posted on 06/30/2012 4:17:28 AM PDT by zzeeman ("We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality.")
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To: neverdem

Excellent piece. For those interested in more of the same, consider visiting the Covert Rationing Blog (covertrationingblog.com). In particular, the author has an on-line book called Open Wide and Say Moo where he dissects many of these issues in a brilliant and witty way. He also called the SCOTUS ruling correctly two years ago. And no, I have no relationship to the blogger. I just appreciate good writing and thinking.


15 posted on 06/30/2012 4:51:20 AM PDT by armydoc
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To: neverdem
OUTSTANDING essay which really underscores the foundation of lies ("myths" is too generous; these are designed-to-deceive talking points) on which ObamaCare is built and sold. I'm afraid it's too long for the knee-jerk headline scanners here, but so it goes.

Also, the linked blog Stumblingontruth is excellent. Loved the leftists lexicon.

16 posted on 06/30/2012 5:40:01 AM PDT by Dysart (Race card is tyranny. Don't be cowed.)
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