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Delaware Child Abuse Bill Worries Parents (could outlaw spanking)
WBOC ^ | 6/26/12 | LeAnne Matlach

Posted on 06/27/2012 3:35:11 AM PDT by markomalley

The Delaware Attorney General's office says nearly 1/3 of child abuse cases aren't able to be prosecuted because of current laws. Senate Bill 234 is meant to change that and help kids who are being hurt.

The bill redefines physical injury to a child, to mean any impairment of physical condition or pain. Senate Bill 234 has parents worried whether or not they can spank their children.

Mark Salerno is a stay-at-home father of three and he is against spanking.

"I don't believe in spanking your children, there's other ways to discipline them," he said. "I don't think physical pain should be endured on a child."

Salerno says young children can't understand the act of spanking, so to them it isn't a learning lesson. It is just pain.

But for Lupe Torsky, a little bit of pain helps her granddaughter behave when they're in the car together.

"I told her, 'You either stop or else I'll whip your butt,' and that's what I call it," she said. "A spanking is I'll whip your butt. So she didn't stop, she continued and I warned her. I pulled over to the side, I unbuckled her and spanked her."

Some parents want spanking written into Senate Bill 234 as exemption.

But Patricia Dailey-Lewis says the bill was never meant to target parents who responsibly discipline.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; US: Delaware
KEYWORDS: nannystate; parenting; spanking
Also see News-Journal article (can't post because Gannett)
1 posted on 06/27/2012 3:35:22 AM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley

Wait until Mark Salerno’s kids hit 15 and don’t pay any attention to him at all.
They get pierced, ,smoke and do drugs and he will say: “I did the best I could with them, I never spanked them.

Mine got spanked when they needed it never harmed them inthe least.


2 posted on 06/27/2012 3:40:01 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: markomalley

Children are the property of the state. They demand to you how to raise them. You just get the privilege to pay for them.


3 posted on 06/27/2012 3:49:16 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: markomalley
Delaware Child Abuse Bill Worries Parents

Aren't parents allowed to vote in Delaware?

4 posted on 06/27/2012 3:50:49 AM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: markomalley

When a lion cub does something it is not supposed to do, the mother lion swats it. That is instinctive!

If a child sticks a fork in a receptacle, a good swat on the tail and they won’t do that again. I consider that a learning experience.


5 posted on 06/27/2012 3:52:21 AM PDT by maxwellsmart_agent
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To: markomalley

I got it, my kids get it.

My 17 year old got knocked on his rear once for disrepecting me.

He’s 30 now, and never, ever spoke to me like that again, and he’s a fine man.

The libtards can go to hell.


6 posted on 06/27/2012 3:58:47 AM PDT by mom4melody
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To: markomalley
But Patricia Dailey-Lewis says the bill was never meant to target parents who responsibly discipline.

But it will. And it will depend on Patricia Dailey-Lewis's (she the deputy Attorney General of Delaware) interpretation of what is "responsible discipline". She doesn't say and she can't, as the state will judge what that means on a case-by-case basis, so parents better be ready to face the full power of the state declaring them a child abuser: losing their children, jobs, jail time, labeled for life, etc, etc.

I'm sick and tired of lawmakers and government officials who don't consider all the consequences of laws they write and administer. They need to practice due diligence and word laws carefully to avoid over reach.

Well, that or they're just plain liars and they mean it to happen.

How about we pass a law that all laws must be reviewed by an independent board who investigate all the different ways laws can be misconstrued, misapplied, and changed? The board will have no power to change a law, just issue a public report on all of the ramifications. That way we'll know from the very beginning what the consequences are.

7 posted on 06/27/2012 4:08:40 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Alas Babylon!
But Patricia Dailey-Lewis ...

Never trust a person with a hyphenated name. 9 out of 10 says they're a whackadoodle lib.

8 posted on 06/27/2012 4:16:46 AM PDT by 6SJ7 (Meh.)
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To: markomalley
"The bill redefines physical injury to a child, to mean any impairment of physical condition or pain."

In today's climate of obesity hysteria, feeding your kid a donut could qualify as child abuse under this statute. So making them stand in a corner. "Impairment of physical condition" is one of those vague platitudes which have no real objective meaning and can make child abuse whatever anyone wants to call child abuse.

9 posted on 06/27/2012 4:45:25 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: All
My youngest daughter (she is now 26) Disrespected me once. Just once. That was the only time I gave her a couple swats on the bum. I also told if I ever caught her watching MTV I would sell her TV at the flea market,and when she started driving if she wasn't home at the appointed time,I would take the wheels off her car. She is now in the medical field making a very nice salary,and is drug,alcohol & cigarette free. Also I'm going to be a grand pop this December!

Love ya kiddo!

10 posted on 06/27/2012 5:04:46 AM PDT by 4yearlurker (No matter who you elect,the government eventually gets in.)
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To: markomalley

Spanking is against the law in Israel. But it’s not very strictly enforced. Really, there are better ways of disciplining children. My favorite is shoving them outside and locking the door until they ask politely to come back in and promise to behave. But it’s none of the government’s business one way or the other, and that’s why I can’t stand that law.


11 posted on 06/27/2012 5:08:49 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: markomalley
The state doesn't want you to spank your children when they refuse to listen.

However when your children grow older and refuse to listen to the police when told to pull their cars over they will
be beaten with clubs and fists.

12 posted on 06/27/2012 5:28:38 AM PDT by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: markomalley
Similar -

German court rules circumcision is 'bodily harm'

13 posted on 06/27/2012 5:52:22 AM PDT by NCjim (Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.)
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To: Eleutheria5

The government, in particular Child Protective Services, equates ALL correction/training/discipline of children as “abuse.” CPS is merely the tool of the vindictive custodial (usually) ex-spouse to get back at (usually) non-custodial ex-spouse for attempting to discipline the child(ren) involved while in (usually) his care.

Pursuing REAL child abuse is politically incorrect (most minorities believe in BEATING their children and severe forms of punishment long abandoned in caucasian neighborhoods) AND is far too DANGEROUS for the average CPS worker. The average CPS worker is one of those “single moms” who has a natural vendetta against fathers in general and subscribes to “just let Junior run wild but put him on meds and be his best friend.” I know b/c my hubby’s ex-wife is one.

Instead of discipline/correction/training, the average “single mom” puts Junior on health endangering, mind bending DRUGS!! You can’t tell me there isn’t kickbacks in all this gov’t legislation to the Psychologist and Pharmaceutical industry.

Putting children to bed at a decent, consistent hour, limiting electronics and brain pablum such as “Spongebob”; feeding children a healthy diet with an occasional treat (not dessert at every meal) and fresh air/exercise is all considered “abusive” to children nowadays.

Children end up “free ranged”, narcissistic, entitled with zero respect for ANY authority (see Obama who was PITIED for being a mixed child with a single mom not PARENTED) Low to no expectations, failure at school due to a “low tolerance for frustration” due to being coddled, pampered and pandered to is the NORM nowadays.

Perhaps you’ve seen the oversized child squeezed into the shopping cart “toddler seat” shrieking repeatedly at the top of his/her lungs while his twenty something (usually) single mom just ignores it as though deaf and never bothers to correct said child by saying “cut it out” or “quiet or I’ll take you back to the car.”

The most violent, nasty, rotten tempered children I’ve seen are the ones who aren’t spanked; usually because the parent fails to discipline at all, neither in word nor deed. The “popular” non-parenting model today is to be your kid’s BFF.


14 posted on 06/27/2012 5:59:35 AM PDT by AbolishCSEU (Percentage of Income in CS is inversely proportionate to Mother's parenting of children)
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To: Venturer

Chastise him with the rod - he will not die.

I believe I read that somewhere important.


15 posted on 06/27/2012 6:04:18 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: mom4melody

The 5th commandment is one of the “big 10”, the first of the horizontal commandments, and the only commandment with a promise.

This is for a good reason.

And it is exactly why the left seeks to undermine it.


16 posted on 06/27/2012 6:05:43 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: DaveTesla

I guess it’s OK when the State does it.


17 posted on 06/27/2012 6:06:25 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: markomalley
Some parents want spanking written into Senate Bill 234 as exemption.

But Patricia Dailey-Lewis says the bill was never meant to target parents who responsibly discipline.

Sure they're not.

18 posted on 06/27/2012 6:06:48 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Paleo Conservative
Patricia Dailey-Lewis says the bill was never meant to target parents who responsibly discipline

A couple of things here... first, the hyphenated name is a dead giveaway.
Second, this shows the worldview of a leftist - they believe that these things should be left open to interpretation, and would never, never, be abused by any government representative to undermine parental rights. Why, after all, only the best and brightest work for the government.

19 posted on 06/27/2012 6:08:56 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: markomalley

And the recruiters wonder, when they call my husband, why he refuses to look at jobs in the Northeast... stupid liberal busybodies.


20 posted on 06/27/2012 6:24:28 AM PDT by JenB
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To: MrB

My wife used a wooden spoon.

All she had to do was head toward the drawer and it straightened them righ out.


21 posted on 06/27/2012 6:42:53 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: DaveTesla
However when your children grow older and refuse to listen to the police when told to pull their cars over they will be beaten with clubs and fists.

Ding,ding,ding - we have a winner!

Don't ask libs though to think beyond their current emotion...

22 posted on 06/27/2012 7:47:02 AM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: markomalley

There is no end to this crapola.


23 posted on 06/27/2012 10:02:04 AM PDT by Leep (Enemy of the StatistI)
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To: Venturer

“My wife used a wooden spoon.

All she had to do was head toward the drawer and it straightened them righ out.”

It only took about twice with the wooden spoon for my kids to figure out I was serious if I reached for it. And no, I didn’t beat or bruise them, but at around age 3, it did leave and impression on their egos and enough of a sting to know that mom meant business. Both of them graduated from college last year with honors.


24 posted on 06/27/2012 1:31:29 PM PDT by pops88 (Standing with Breitbart for truth.)
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To: markomalley
It is legal to spank you child in Oklahoma, the legislature put that law on the books, so move where your parental rights are respected, Oklahoma.

They are a little picky about football though.

25 posted on 06/27/2012 1:43:13 PM PDT by itsahoot (About that Coup d'├ętat we had in 08, anyone worried yet?)
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To: pops88

Congratulations.

The other rule is not to threaten them to wait for daddy to get home. If kids need punishing they need it at the time of the offense.


26 posted on 06/27/2012 6:12:06 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: markomalley; Eric Blair 2084; SheLion; Gabz; Hank Kerchief; 383rr; libertarian27; traviskicks; ...

Democrat politicians need to be spanked early and often.

Nanny State PING!


27 posted on 06/27/2012 7:32:07 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Occupy DC General Assembly: We are Marxist tools. WE ARE MARXIST TOOLS!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Thanks for the ping!


28 posted on 06/27/2012 8:49:18 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: markomalley
The Delaware Attorney General's office says nearly 1/3 of child abuse cases aren't able to be prosecuted because of current laws.

[facepalm] Then doesn't that mean the kids AREN'T BEING ABUSED, you fuckwit???? What, are the laws an inconvenient impediment to you imposing your personal will on those rascally citizens of Delaware? Poor boo boo!

On another note, spanking outlawed? They can have my hands when they pry them from my cold, dead, uh.....wrists! Yeah!

29 posted on 06/27/2012 10:13:59 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: markomalley; Tax-chick
"I don't believe in spanking your children, there's other ways to discipline them," he said. "I don't think physical pain should be endured on a child."

[facepalm] Neither do I! Where do you WANT to be while you're enduring pain? I don't think grammar should be endured on people elected to statewide office.

30 posted on 06/27/2012 10:16:14 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Still Thinking

I believe physical pain should be tattood on elected officials. Who ARE these people, anyway?


31 posted on 06/28/2012 3:01:29 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Spinach at every meal.)
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To: Tax-chick

Don’t forget SCOTUS. They deserve a LOT of pain today.


32 posted on 06/28/2012 7:59:46 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: MrB

It does. It is in the Bible. Proverbs 23:13


33 posted on 07/02/2012 5:34:03 PM PDT by conservatice person
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