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Obama shrunk aerial firefighting fleet (poll)
gazette ^ | June 26, 2012

Posted on 06/26/2012 10:42:18 PM PDT by george76

Green agenda targets slurry bombers

As fire rages out of control on the edge of Colorado Springs, threatening lives and property, it is time we listen to those who have warned us about the negative effect environmentalists and President Barack Obama have had on the federal government’s ability to fight fires.

Much of what’s burning is the Pike National Forest, which is federal property. Yet it took almost three days to get federal fire fighting aircraft off the ground to begin dumping meaningful loads of slurry to slow the fire’s growth. Because the Forest Service has a shortage of planes, Air Force C-130s finally joined the effort Monday afternoon to battle a fire that began Saturday morning.

Part of the problem is red tape and vague policy regarding use of military aircraft to put out fires, even when they burn federal property. Part of it involves intentional interference with aerial fire suppression. Part of the problem is the Obama administration.

Environmentalists have fought the use of slurry for years, which may or may not explain why Obama seems to lack enthusiasm for a robust tanker fleet

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in September of 2011 that nearly half of the federal government’s air tankers sat idle at a California airport, as wildfires ripped through national forests throughout California, Texas, New Mexico, and other states.

It turns out the Obama administration ended a long-standing contract, leaving the Forest Service with only 11 tankers to battle 50 wildfires that were burning nationwide. A decade ago, the Forest Service had 40 firefighting tankers.

The Obama administration canceled the government’s contract with Aero Union — a company with 60 employees that had been under contract with the Forest Service for 50 years. Though it canceled that contract, the administration had no plan for an immediate replacement.

(Excerpt) Read more at gazette.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: California; US: Colorado; US: Idaho; US: Montana; US: New Mexico; US: Texas; US: Utah; US: Wyoming
KEYWORDS: agenda21; coloradofires; coloradosprings; greenreligion; poll; thedestroyers; thegreatdestroyer; un21; unagenda21; usafa; waldocanyon; wildfires; wildlandfires

1 posted on 06/26/2012 10:42:23 PM PDT by george76
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To: george76

Obama - just doing his part:

Al-Qaida touts forest arson as terrorism
5/3/12
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2879837/posts


2 posted on 06/26/2012 10:47:19 PM PDT by donna (Mitt quote: ...gay couples raising kids. That's the American way...)
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To: george76
"It turns out the Obama administration ended a long-standing contract, leaving the Forest Service with only 11 tankers to battle 50 wildfires that were burning nationwide. A decade ago, the Forest Service had 40 firefighting tankers."

If a decade ago, that means Bush was involved, also. Either way, this is a Fedgov responsibility. I hope that all those who have lost their homes sue the Fedgov for reparations. It's time we hold them ALL accountable.

3 posted on 06/26/2012 10:48:49 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: dynachrome; moondoggie; familyop; GSWarrior; jazusamo; Flycatcher; Clintonfatigued; proud_yank; ...

The Obama administration’s neglect of the federal government’s aerial-tanker fleet raises acrid questions about its core public-safety priorities. Bipartisan complaints goaded the White House into signing a Band-Aid fix last week. But it smacks more of election-year gesture politics: too little, too late, too fake.

Ten years ago, the feds had a fleet of 44 firefighting planes. Today, the number is down to nine for the entire country. Last summer, Obama’s National Forest Service canceled a key federal contract with Sacramento-based Aero Union just as last season’s wildfires were raging. Aero Union had supplied eight vital air tankers to Washington’s dwindling fleet of aerial firefighters. Two weeks later, the company closed down and 60 employees lost their jobs. Aero Union had been a leader in the business for a half-century.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/303330/obama-bureaucrats-are-fueling-wildfires-michelle-malkin?pg=1


4 posted on 06/26/2012 10:59:11 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

If it is bad for America, Obama is for it. As soon as he knows for sure he is going to be out of his free vacation, he will go ape crazy.


5 posted on 06/26/2012 11:11:29 PM PDT by pallis
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To: donna

We don’t need Al-Qaida setting fires we have the Forest Service doing the job quite well thank you!


6 posted on 06/26/2012 11:30:25 PM PDT by tallyhoe
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To: george76
US Forest Service Cancels Airtanker Contract with Aero Union

California company did not meet agency’s safety standards

WASHINGTON, July 29, 2011–The U.S. Forest Service announced today that it has terminated its contract with Aero Union of Sacramento, Calif., because the company failed to meet its contractual obligations. The company was providing six airtankers under exclusive-use contracts to the Forest Service.

"Our main priority is protecting and saving lives, and we can't in good conscience maintain an aviation contract where we feel lives may be put at risk due to inadequate safety practices” said Tom Harbour, director of the Forest Service’s Fire and Aviation Management program. “This contract termination notwithstanding, we possess the aircraft support needed for this year's fire season."

The Forest Service has access to additional aviation assets to meet operational needs. Two other private companies provide 11 large airtankers under exclusive-use contracts. In addition, there are two very large airtankers available through a “call when needed” contract, as well as eight military firefighting aircraft.

The five-year contract the Forest Service signed with Aero Union in 2008 required participation in a continued airworthiness program, which included a Fatigue and Damage Tolerance Evaluation and structural inspection program. In April 2011, Aero Union informed the Forest Service that the Federal Aviation Administration found the company was not in compliance with its mandated structural inspection program requirements.

Because of the extraordinary stresses placed on aircraft during aerial firefighting and to prevent catastrophic failures and ensure safety, the Forest Service adds requirements to its airtanker contracts that are specific to the agency’s firefighting mission. The Forest Service will not use aircraft that do not meet its requirements.

The mission of the USDA Forest Service is to sustain the health, diversity, and productivity of the Nation’s forests and grasslands to meet the needs of present and future generations. The Agency manages 193 million acres of public land, provides assistance to State and private landowners, and maintains the largest forestry research organization in the world.

7 posted on 06/26/2012 11:35:03 PM PDT by stormer
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To: george76

Why should he care? The forest fire states in the Mountain West lean conservative.


8 posted on 06/26/2012 11:50:50 PM PDT by lurk
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To: george76

If the Planes were made out of EBT Cards, we would have a million of them.


9 posted on 06/27/2012 12:15:51 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (The only good Zombie is a dead Zombie, oh wait...)
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To: george76

Heck of a job Brownie(guy).


10 posted on 06/27/2012 12:19:23 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (The only good Zombie is a dead Zombie, oh wait...)
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To: george76

Reading the responses, Colorado deserves 0bama and hickenlooper.


11 posted on 06/27/2012 12:40:52 AM PDT by Post5203 (Newter 0bama...The real Axis of Evil...Washington, New York City and Hollywood.)
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SOLYNDRA

12 posted on 06/27/2012 2:00:48 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your damn Change!)
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To: donna

“Obama - just doing his part:”

Obams’s 2012 campaign motto should be “Every day, in every way we shall destroy the USA!”


13 posted on 06/27/2012 2:13:26 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: george76

Could this turn out with over 400 homes burned in CO and NM to be O’s Katrina?


14 posted on 06/27/2012 2:44:12 AM PDT by finnsheep
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To: george76
Grade the federal response to fighting the Waldo Canyon fire, which is burning federal property.

A 12%

B 6%

C 4%

D 17%

F 60%

Total Votes: 169

15 posted on 06/27/2012 2:51:07 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Romney - not Obama - not a Conservative - not a real Christian)
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To: bmwcyle

http://twitchy.com/2012/06/26/waldo-canyon-fire-rages-on/

http://michellemalkin.com/2012/06/27/day-5-of-waldo-canyon-fire-evacuation-blaze-engulfs-homeshistoric-ranch-32k-total-evacuated-more-dangerous-winds-heat-ahead/


16 posted on 06/27/2012 2:59:40 AM PDT by Hojczyk
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To: finnsheep

95% of America will never hear about it.


17 posted on 06/27/2012 3:21:43 AM PDT by carriage_hill (All libs and most dems think that life is just a sponge bath, with a happy ending.)
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To: A Navy Vet

>>>If a decade ago, that means Bush was involved, also.>>>

No, it doesn’t. It says only that ten years ago the government had 40 fire-fighter planes, and that Obama severed the contract which reduced the number to 11.


18 posted on 06/27/2012 3:44:10 AM PDT by kitkat (Obama, ROPE and CHAINS.)
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To: stormer

Part of the problem is that the big firetanker aircraft are VERY old. Companies like Aero Union and Hawkins and Powers were using surplus World War II bombers well up into the 1980s and 1990s. For a while, one of the firefighting companies was using USAF surplus C-130As built in the 1950s until the wings ripped off one of them during a run, killing the crew. And aerial firefighting is extremely hard on the airframes as well; it’s well outside the realm of what the planes were designed to do, with a lot of bumpy low-altitude flight and hard maneuvers that put a lot of wear and tear on wings and tails.

There is a serious shortage of large firefighting aircraft, that’s a big part of the problem. The Aero Union cancellation may have been politically motivated, and there may be green Nazis behind the lack of replacements. But there also just aren’t very many tankers left in that big four-engined DC-6 or C-130 class. And I don’t think the Air Force will sell their surplus stored out in boneyards like Davis-Monthan to private contractors.

}:-)4


19 posted on 06/27/2012 3:58:22 AM PDT by Moose4 (...and walk away.)
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To: george76
Reading the BLOG comments, the LIBERAL morons of Colorado have made their bed and now need to lay back and enjoy their consequences.

Conservatives still in the state, need to suck it up and also enjoy your consequences OR MOVE THE F*** ON!!

20 posted on 06/27/2012 4:07:49 AM PDT by harpu ( "...it's better to be hated for who you are than loved for someone you're not!")
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To: george76
And here I was wondering why the fire was not headlining national media. I thought the just did not care. But it sounds more like covering for obama and the rest of the libtards.
21 posted on 06/27/2012 4:37:06 AM PDT by st.eqed
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To: harpu

Actually what has happened to Colorado is rather more complicated. There are two main factors which have screwed up Colorado politics:
A) Californians fleeing their debased state. Of course those morons then come to Colorado and try to institute the same crap which brought their state down. Lucky us.
B) Tim Gill. Ironic that I have to state only one name eh? Well a number of years back Colorado passed an amendment which stated that Gays would not be a protected class. Eventually this was thrown out by the courts. However this upset Mr. Gill (a founder of Quark, the desktop publishing software company) who happens to be light in his loafers. He then decided to change CO politics by himself by blowing his massive fortune on the cause. He flooded every election in CO at all levels with donations completely throwing things out of what. Local elections which might have had an aggregate spending of 10s of thousands of dollars now had 100s of thousands being spent on the Democrat side, and it had a marked effect. Every level of CO politics took a leftward tilt because of this interference. Gill has spent 100s of millions on this so far, and honestly money sure has talked.

I moved to Colorado partly because it was a good conservative western state. Gill and the CA crowd has been stealing it out from under the conservatives.


22 posted on 06/27/2012 5:09:56 AM PDT by drbuzzard (All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others.)
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To: drbuzzard
Tim Gill

Don't forget Pat Stryker and all of her evil inherited wealth, fellow homo Jared Polis who goes through life using his mother's maiden name and Rutt Bridges.

23 posted on 06/27/2012 7:33:34 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: george76

Wildfires causing mass destruction soften people up for climate change legislation.


24 posted on 06/27/2012 9:37:54 AM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: george76

Government at every level does almost nothing FOR people. It only does things TO people. Local goverment has taken their queue from the federal government and have become the most oppresive form of goverment.


25 posted on 06/27/2012 9:42:15 AM PDT by subterfuge (BUILD MORE NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS NOW!!!)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Didn’t recall those, but the article I learned this from was focused on Gill because he ponied up the majority of the money and organized the group of leftist moneybags. Thanks for the extra info.


26 posted on 06/27/2012 10:04:15 AM PDT by drbuzzard (All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others.)
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To: stormer

Why were they grounded?

National Forest Service bureaucrats and some media accounts cite “safety” concerns. But as Representative Dan Lungren (R., Calif.) noted in a letter ... last year, a Federal Aviation Administration representative said it was a contractual or compliance matter, not safety, that doomed Aero Union’s fleet.

former Forest Service official and bomber pilot Tony Kern ... “You need to have the airplanes available now.” Veteran wildland firefighter Bill Gabbert... “The USFS should have awarded contracts for at least 20 additional air tankers, not seven.”

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/303330/obama-bureaucrats-are-fueling-wildfires-michelle-malkin?pg=1


27 posted on 06/27/2012 1:30:19 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76
A Burning Desire

An Analysis of the Sierra Club Fire Policy. Activists seldom face technical scrutiny of their policy proposals. They are too busy supplying donors with what they want, to pay much attention to the consequences. As a result, it is surprisingly easy to show how foolish their proposals really are.

28 posted on 06/27/2012 1:46:37 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing indenture since 1787.)
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To: george76

29 posted on 06/27/2012 1:51:49 PM PDT by ThomasMore (Islam is the Whore of Babylon!)
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To: george76

I keep trees far enough away from the house. Helps to prevent big socialist spending in the future.


30 posted on 06/27/2012 4:35:04 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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