Skip to comments.Sunday Morning Talk Show Thread 17 June 2012
Posted on 06/17/2012 5:08:29 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
The Talk Shows
June 17th, 2012
Guests to be interviewed today on major television talk shows:
FOX NEWS SUNDAY (Fox Network): David Plouffe, White House adviser; Sen. Joe Lieberman, I-Conn.; former CIA Director Michael Hayden.
MEET THE PRESS (NBC): Plouffe; Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz.
FACE THE NATION (CBS): Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney; Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C.; former Gov. Howard Dean, D-Vt.
THIS WEEK (ABC): Plouffe; former Gov. Tim Pawlenty, R-Minn.
STATE OF THE UNION (CNN): Plouffe; Sen. John Barrasso, R-Wyo.; Rep. Chris Van Hollen, D-Md.; former GOP presidential candidate Rick Santorum.
12:00 PM - 1:00 PM NBC's "Meet the Press"
1:00 PM - 2:00 PM ABC's "This Week"
2:00 PM - 3:00 PM "Fox News Sunday"
3:00 PM - 4:30 PM CNN's "Late Edition"
4:30 PM - 5:00 PM CBS's "Face The Nation"
Listen at the link above WHILE you FReep!
Meet the Press Meet the Press mailbox (web page for comments)
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Fox News Sunday FNS@foxnews.com
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CNN State of the Union CNN State of the Union (web page for comments)
The Sunday Morning Bray, by Bray!
For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner who went out early in the morning to hire men to WORK in his vineyard. Matt 20:1
Since the public sector unions want to raise taxes on everybody it is time to take them up on it. Congress needs to double their tax rates so they can be more patriotic like they want the producers to be. This would immediately solve two major problems, eliminating part of the deficit and weed them out of the gummit. Since we are basically throwing money down a rat hole why dont we tax them to get some of it back to subsidize their own porky jobs? Ideally we would lower the private sector taxes to help stimulate the economy more as well as give them more incentive to leave the public dole.
After Romney is elected and we bring a large batch of our candidates into the fold we need to raise the minimum tax on Federal workers up to 40% plus to disincentive their jobs. There needs to be a stigma for being a public employee and this would be a step in the right direction. We need people to want to be private employees rather than gummit workers. The fewer public workers we have the less chance of destroying the economy like we are seeing now. They are a burden on the economy so if we raise their taxes we are essentially having them help pay for themselves or quit which is the goal.
The gummit worker is no longer an asset to the economy and needs to be weaned off of the public dole. It would be far better to do it through an incentive to nudge him to think about looking for work elsewhere than to just fire them and they get to participate in the higher taxes they and their union are always promoting for others. They would still enjoy the largest benefit package on the planet with full healthcare, pensions and generous vacation time. Even at the higher rate many would rather have a job which doesnt require results or production than having to actually go out and work for a living.
Until we lower our public sector workforce we have no chance of getting the deficit under control. Shifting these people over to private sector would be a way of solving this problem while helping to bring more productive jobs to the economy. The private sector would need some adjustment time as they assimilate non-productive workers into their workforce, but after a transition period these people could learn how to actually earn a paycheck. It would be a shock to many that they would have to show up on time on a regular basis and have to work more than ten months per year, but the personal satisfaction would eventually make it worthwhile to them.
Their new bosses would be the ones who would need the most patience. Having to teach someone to not only be productive but to have to listen to all the bellyaching and continual asking where the affirmative action officer is would drive sober men to drink, but it could be done. If it were a non-union shop the attempts to organize would be a bit disruptive although the fellow workers could alleviate much of this problem through the wrench head adjustment technique.
These are not going to ever be the most productive people in the world. Anybody who has ever worked with them know they are creatures of habit and have a bovine type of mentality rather than the eagle mentality most private workers enjoy. Unless they are properly motivated they are going to be less than the hard workers the private sector expects so there are going to be conflicts. This is why you double their taxes to match lower wages for lower productivity on the outside. Some actually will turn around and begin to understand the concept of time and money, most wont.
In many states their pensions are paid state tax free while Social InSecurity is taxable. This is complete corruption of the system by the people who are scratching the backs who have access. Why do the producers get punished while the non producers are rewarded? This is another drag on the state budgets as people who often are getting six figure retirements are exempt from taxes the guy who is paying that retirement has to pay. This is as unfair tax and another reason we are heading down the Greeced skids.
Since we pay for the salaries of these non-producers and they vote in large majorities for the Party that will protect them and raise taxes on the producers it is time they put their taxes where their mouths are. It is time they do their patriotic duty and pay more taxes to pay for their cushy jobs. If they are so fired up about raising taxes on everybody else for the greater good then it is time for them to do just that. They need to have their Federal taxes doubled immediately and let them understand what the Tea Party and every other conservative group have been saying.
Is this tough love, you bet! Its time we got serious about our fiscal situation. We have an out of control Federal Givamint that has no accountability or incentives to reduce. This would be an immediate incentive and voluntarily begin to shrink. Who is going to leave a job that the most simple skills will get you around $100K in salary and benis while the private sector is averaging around half that. The ones who make even more are never going to leave or have any interest in leaving thanks to their inability to find similar pay elsewhere. By raising their taxes we would bypass much of the attractiveness of the job and political issues with lowered salary while bringing back more tax revenue. We have heard their lectures for decades about not paying enough taxes or doing your fair share so here is their opportunity. Rather than overtaxing the producers lets tax them.
Pray for America
Note: The above opinion is not necessarily mine, but FReeper Brays. If you wish to discuss this, please ping Bray.
Good morning and thanks again for your efforts and the thread. Looks like we’ll be abused by David Plouffe this morning whether or not we like it. Along with the rest of the lineup, it’s going to be a boring and long morning, IMHO.
Axelrod did so well last week as Obama’s explainer that he’s vanished and Plouffffffe is pinch-hitting.
Going to Tuscaloosa this morning to see daughter and SIL. Going to church at The Highlands of Tuscaloosa. Looking forward to.
Looks like Plouffe is out there on every network doing damage control!
Here is the latest update of my Rasmussen state-by-state presidential model.
The model begins with the final results of the 2008 election, and updates those results with current Rasmussen state polls as they are published.
Final 2008 Electoral College results were Obama 365, McCain 173. My model begins with Obama 364, McCain 174, due to not handling the few split-win states.
Furthermore, 2010 apportionment favored Republicans, leaving us with a starting point of Obama 358, Romney 180.
Below are the states that are still in the polling margin of error. The first number is the change in GOP result from the last poll, and the second number is the separation from Obama's result.
In Arizona, the race tightens as Obama loses 8.7% to Romney's gain of 0.3%, making this race now a tie. Similarly in Iowa, Obama falls 7.9% while Romney gains 2.6%, putting this race back on the board.The pattern repeats in Michigan, as Obama loses 7.3% as Romney gains 1.1%, putting Michigan back within the margin of error. In Missouri, Obama falls by 3% while Romnay gains 1%. Virginia is the only state where Obama held some ground, gaining 3% to Romney's gain of 2%, making this state a tie. But the pattern repeats again in Wisconsin, where Obama loses 5% as Romney gains 2%, giving Romney the lead here as well.
Using the most recent Rasmussen polls, the results of 32,000 simulated elections are listed in the table below. The definitions of the columns are:
And in the Senate... things aren't looking as good. The Republican lead is slipping, and chances of getting 51 seats has fallen below 50%.
This is the latest run of my Rasmussen state-by-state Senate model.
The model begins with the final results of the last Class 1 election, and I will update those results with current Rasmussen state polls as they are published.
Final 2010 Senate results were Republicans taking 47 seats, and Democrats caucusing 53 seats. My model begins with here.
Below is the latest round of state polls. The first number is the change in GOP result from the last poll (or seat election if no prior poll), and the second number is the separation from the Democrat candidate's result.
In Missouri where their primary has not happened yet, Democrat McCaskill is losing by 12% to her top Republican contender, so this race drops off of the watch list. In Ohio, both candidates gained, Democrat Brown getting 3% to Republican Mandel's 1%. In Virginia, Republican Allen continues to fall against Democrat Kaine, losing another 2% to Kaine's gain of 1%, putting Kaine in the lead.
Using the most recent Rasmussen polls, the results of 32,000 simulated elections are listed in the table below. The definitions of the columns are:
Roll Tide, GBC! You’ll be only be a little over 125 miles from me!
Which is why McCrisis is on DePressed. No chance Juan will criticize Bobo -- in fact, Gregory will press him to criticize Mittens.
Wow! Excellent analysis and I hope you keep them coming. I hope you have your own periodic threads showing so!
I also hope that the models are slightly wrong. Whether the polls show an even split between dems versus Pubbies, or Independents, I really do believe it will all come down to turnout, and democratic turnout will be dismal.
Can anyone tell me what the dems voters can be enthused about for this election?
Lieberman is supposed to be the GOP rep to rebuff Plouffe? WTH? Wallace better be prepared to go hard.
Hayden is there to talk about drones, no doubt. Bucking for a slot in Mittens admin...
The main fighting actually happened a short distance away on Breed’s Hill. The commanding view of the harbor and Charlestown below, then swarming with Redcoats, must have been something. It was here that Colonel Prescott shouted his famous order, “Don't fire until you see the whites of their eyes”!
“We have ... learned one melancholy truth, which is, that the Americans, if they were equally well commanded, are full as good soldiers as ours.”
--A British officer in Boston, after the battle
237 years ago today...
Thanks for thread AB. Happy Father’s Day to you also.
I forgot to add—PLEASE watch Face The Nation. Romney’s on it, so it will no doubt be newsworthy.
Someone please report a play-by-play!
I think you’re giving government workers too much credit. There are usually a few competent workers is each office but from my experience the vast majority of government workers are incompetent. They could never find a job in the private sector because their skills are lacking.
I don’t mean just the agencies we all deal with either. A friend of mine worked as an attorney for the Denver City Attorneys office a number of years ago. He was new to Denver and didn’t want to start a private practice again. It seemed that many of the attorneys in that office were there because they could not do as well in private practice and more than a few were really strange and weird.
I did some volunteer work in our election office a few years ago. Of the thirty to forty full time workers there only a dozen really did the majority of the work and ran things. The rest seemed to be on coffee breaks or going around the office to visit with others there.
My wife used to work for the state Oil & Gas Commission. Of the twelve people in her office, three really knew what they were doing or experienced in Oil & Gas.
Heck, just think of the times we need to renew our drivers license. How many people there knew what they were doing? Less than half has been my observation.
I would bet there isn’t one state or federal agency that could not reduce staff by 20-30% and not miss a beat in their efficiency.
Good morning, Alas.
How do you pronounce that Pfloofe anyway?
Well, it’s a fluffy morning. Wonder what he’s been sent out into the world to say?
The only one I didn’t set to tape was the show Mitt Romney is on and that’s the only one I’m interested in.
It occurred to me in the last couple of days after Obama decided to bypass congress with his work permit law that we haven’t heard a lot about border issues lately.
During the primary, the candidates were trying to outborder each other. I remember Perry had a plan to secure the border within one year, but I haven’t heard a thing about securing the border lately.
All these ideas about what to do about our current illegal population don’t amount to much if we keep letting them flood in.
I will definitely set it to tape and report after church.
Interested to see what Romney has to say about Obama’s pflouting of the law with his work amnesty bill.
Taxing them would be good. But firing them and eliminating the mountains of worthless or destructive programs would be better and healthier for budgets, both present and future. That way we save money on ongoing useless or destructive programs and don't need to pay retirement benefits to our union slug tormentors.
Unfortunately for them, a lot of them would have a hard time finding work in the private sector. Slugs don't do very well unless they land another union gig, and the commies aren't appreciated (and there aren't enough jobs in academe). But in that case, their jobs are usually gone in a little while anyhow when the companies go out of business.
Good morning AB, All....
...watching this mealy mouth on Fox Morning now. “Did the President de-classify any of the info released to the media?”
“Chris, the price of eggs in China has gone up this past week but a downturn is expected next week.”
Anyhoo, beautiful weather weekend here in the swamps. Daughter here since Thursday night. Folks, you will be just so proud.
Big overhaul of my bedroom this past week. Got a new 50 inch TV which I gave to husband for his man-cave and I took his 32 inch HDTV. Painted room light pink with a dark pink wall. Hung all my paintings on the accent wall, God Bless.
Cleaned entire room, made new dog hidey-hole, painted, cleaned, re-organized. Got new lazyboy type of chair only it’s a couch, also in bedroom. Moved furniture, humped, heaved, bent over.
Ladies and gems, the room is a work of art. A veritable work of art, a room that HGTV would envy. Daughter and I are so proud. We painted the insets on the doors, we decorated, we hung accessories, I fixed up my computer area, we got rid of wires, we washed windows and wiped ceiling fans, we taped the ceilings, we painted the woodwork bright work.
Tis a work of art. Maybe I’ll upload a finished pic.
You ladies especially would be very jealous.
I type now daughter sleeps but I’m about to get her up.
For now, I’m watching, I’m listening and I’m reading.
As always AB, thank you for doing this thread.
Ploufe is not a convincing liar. Wallace got Ploufe to say that Obama did not reclassify any security information. After trying to filibuster the question, Ploufe said that Obama didn’t reclassify any security information. Judging from Ploufe’s actions he was obviously lying.
Of course Ploufe is lying. They have no clue what the truth is about anything. All they know is deception.
I know, it is like expecting Penguins to fly like hummingbirds. Did you hear Puffle say fair and balanced recovery on Fox. Chris started laughing they were using their moniker.
They have nothing.
Plouffe: we have created over 4 million jobs in the last 26 months.
That equates to an average of 38,461 jobs per WEEK.
As of Thursday, the weekly NEW joblessness claims were back up to 380,000.
Team Obama keep saying they created over 4 million jobs. However, that equates to about 1 new job for every 10 jobs lost per WEEK.
That 4 million sounds impressive, until the numbers are broken down. Then 4 million is only about 10% of the number of jobs that needs to be created.
One thing people love about government jobs is that it’s really hard to get fired.
But Romney said once that he liked to fire people... maybe he could start there.
Statistics are a snare and a delusion most of the time as they are usually trotted out to prove somebody’s point about something and are often manipulated.
Statistics from the Obama administration can be immediately dismissed as they don’t even bother with manipulation; they just move straight on to lying.
I guess some people just believe any statistic they toss out and that’s the audience they are playing to.
Lieberman and Bullethead are unwatchable TV.
Well, well, well..Bray!
This is the first time I am not in full agreement with your post. With all due respect, let us not paint the reduction in govt workers with a total vast brush.There are “govt workers” and then there are “govt workers”.
I agree that the vast number of “beaurocratic” govt workers at federal, state levels need to be weeded out,their pensions cut and excess “departments” eliminated (EPA, TSA,EDUC, etc).
However, there are many government workers who work at the ground level and work very hard and do not have luxurious pensions. They contribute to their retirement and the matching amount is a very small percentage of their contributions. They do not receive salaries that are outrageosuly out of line compared to the private sector.
The example I would use is the front line VA workers (nurses,therapists, etc.).
NOT the mid and top VA management, but the actual govt workers who provide services to our veterans and who are overworked due to staff shortages at that level. We need MORE of these workers, while cutting the beaurocrats.
You are right, the quality workers would leave and find work in the private hospitals forcing VA to look at different solutions. The real solution is to turn them into private hospitals that would become charity type hospitals like the Wounded Warrior hospitals.
Yes, it should be strictly limited to bureaucRATs and government unionRATs
Wounded Warriors has MASSIVE amounts of money for a very, very small number of veterans.
The only good thing about the Va, there is a certain accountability if there are problems..in a very public way...AND the interfacing of all providers instantly is far better than in the private sector.
The private sector has lots of its own problems. I have no problem with the Veterans services being run by govt IF they are monitored from outside. All govt per se is not bad, its when it becomes so over arching and programs that are not needed at the Fed level occurr.
speaking of unwatchable....
....”immigration reform”....come on.
During the Reagan years all illegal immigrants were granted amnesty. All of America was in favor of it, the cheers filled the land. “No problem,” Americans said. “THIS time we let them stay and from now on we protect our borders and have a SYSTEM to let them in that bows to common sense”.
The politicos in all those years did NOTHING to fix the system. Instead they worked on their re-election and in the case of McCain, he devoted endless hours on campaign finance reform that we all can sleep soundly at night for that issue that once caused us so much concern.
And now when we complain they call us names. Altura, so sorry and I will not fight with you, but this includes Rick Perry.
For we are mean for wanting a system set up, we are mean for suggesting that those who came here illegally not have their children granted in-state status for school or even for giving them citizenship. I know they were kids, innocents.
But if we start a procedure that allows folks to come here illegal so the children they bring with them can become legal, boom....ratatatata....well no, that’s not quite the immigration “system” we had in mind.
The problem with immigration falls right in the laps of the politicians and they need to stop this stupid tactic of calling us mean for daring to want a sensible, sane and fair system to administer to those who come to our country. We have fences out here in la-la land and we most often lock our doors. We understand the concept of who is welcome and who should get an invite.
Come up with a system and do it like you mean it. Nothing less will make us happy.
Karl Rove just yelled at Wahn, made him cry and broke his nose.
Meet the Depressed is a TOTAL COMMERCIAL for Obozo.
Good Lord, it is nauseating. the conservatives never get to say anything while the commercial runs. any critique of the Bozo is instantly reframed. Yeesh. Lots of “ha, ha, light joking.” guess that’s how we avoid taking a look at the Jerk.
Golly, gee. Chris Wallace really took fluffy to the woodshed. He was way tougher on him than Chris usually is on democrats.
Fluffy is a poor spokesman for the Prez, although he had nothing to work with. He used the word, ‘listen’ at least 3 or 4 times, as in, “Listen, Chris....”
Fluff was also quite the advocate for Romney. Wallace stated he wasn’t going to bring Romney up because he didn’t want to focus on the presidential race but more on two things: the leaks and the amnesty edict.
Fluffy kept saying over and over that Congress needed to pass the dream act and that Romney has said he would veto it. Listen up, everyone. If you don’t want the dream act, it’s pretty clear who your candidate should be.
The business of
Progressives Democrats is to go on making mistakes. The business of the Conservatives Republicans is to prevent the mistakes from being corrected."
Good report on Pflouffe’s answers, but you forgot, “Chris, I see the Capitol in the background behind you ...”
Well, we always said Karl Rove as a b’turd.
Matthews bringing up Nixon as an into to his show on public distrust of politicians.
Compared to Obama’s scandal ridden White House Mafia, Nixon was an innocent victim.
Juan tried the liberal interrupting tactic and Rove wasn’t going to let him. That was the best part of the show.
Haven’t gotten that far on my DVR yet, but you’ve got me anxious to see it.
Trotting out the Nixon card?
I can’t believe it. Nixon was a sugarplum prince compared to what this administration has gotten up to. they would do well to avoid the comparison ...
Except that people don’t really remember much about what Nixon actually did and just lump him in with Stalin, Hitler and other arch villains.
I never thought Nixon was that much of a villain at all.
In 2010 when I was doing this for the Key House Races, it was interesting to see how the composite polls from the "experts" diverged until a few weeks before the election, when they suddenly all came together. Some people attribute it to the undecideds remaining on the fence until the end. I attribute it to the "experts" astroturfing one side for as long as possible in the hope of swaying undecided voters to join the supposed masses, and then scrambling at the end to match reality.
We shall see.
Which is precisely the thought I had when I saw Obamugabe DENY White House involvement in the release of sensitive materials. He just CHANGED the label on the material and *poof*, it can be released "ethically".
It is just like the idiot MAKING IMMIGRATION LAW without Congress. He calls it "policy" and not "law". His "policy" is not to enforce the LAW. Same with Defense of Marriage Act.
He is anti-Constitutional, anti-Christian, anti-American. He MUST be fired in November. I hope in a landslide.
Nixon was only guilty of looking guilty. There is real questions to the validity of Deep Throat and the tapes really didn’t show anything that wasn’t done by both parties all the time.
Many believe the break-in was to get proof that Howard Dean’s wife was a hooker out of Dem hands. If you read the Watergate transcripts you continually ask what did he do that was illegal?