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To: HKMk23

I have to immediately disagree on one of your key assertions:

“Modern medicine” may differ slightly technologically from ancient medicine, but not morally in the vast majority of cases.

Modern medicine is not a healing system in general; it is a maintenance system, relying on deadly drugs that will never improve the ultimate condition of any patient.

Drugs are not cures for disease; they are nothing but a huge cash cow for medicine, pharma, and congress. They fund most of the corruption of the governments of men in the 21st century.

The cures for every disease are available, and have been as long as man has walked the Earth. God didn’t leave man waiting for the 21st century to be healed; he provided the cures before they were even needed.

How do you suppose men lived 800-900 years for the first 1500 years? They must have been doing something right.

How did the Israelites live in their march through the negev dessert? Or Noah’s family on the ark?

The Levite priests had the tools to cure everything, and they used them daily.

I don’t say that all doctors are part of the scam, just the great majority. There are dozens whose writings I have in my library, that describe in detail the many curing protocols that are available to all at little to no cost; certainly less than 1% of the costs of the death dealing potients of big pharma.

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>> The sum of your argument is, “Medicine was once a spiritually corrupt profession shot through with idolatrous pagan practices, therefore — all these centuries later, and in spite of all intervening discoveries, and developments, many of which were made by godly men and women — medicine is STILL a spiritually corrupt profession shot through with idolatrous pagan practices, and therefore no godly person may legitimately seek modern medical help.” <<

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You’re close in some points with that statement, but I wonder why you disagree? God’s word says “there is none righteous.” Do you accept that as fact? Why would you believe that the world is getting better when God says it is getting worse?

The prophets called it Mystery Babylon the Great. A massive corrupt pagan (Earth based) beast of immoral doctors, lawyers, engineers, merchants, clerics, chemists, captains, and kings that killed the prophets, burned their firstborn in the fire, martered the saints, and cheated the poor and widows.

Do you think its gone now and there is no need for Christ to return?
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Denial rules.

>> “You’re contending that a huge, dynamic body of knowledge and practice involving hundreds of thousands of individuals worldwide, over hundreds of years remains corrupted in all quarters, and at all levels” <<

Yes, that is true.

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>> “by a past it abandoned centuries ago.” <<

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An assertion not supportable by the facts in evidence.
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66 posted on 06/19/2012 8:24:10 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they were.)
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To: editor-surveyor

Your posts remind me of the joke about the guy trapped in rising flood waters. A neighbor with a fishing boat stopped to pick him up, but the man refused saying he trusted the Lord to save him. As the waters rose a police boat stopped to rescue the man, but again he refused saying that he trusted the Lord. Then the water rose to the roof and a Coast Guard helicopter came to rescue the man, but still he refused saying he trusted the Lord. Then the man drowned.

When the man appeared before his Maker the man said “God, I trusted you to save me, why did you let me down?” God replied: “What do you mean let you down? I sent two boats and a helicopter!”


67 posted on 06/19/2012 8:46:29 PM PDT by oilwatcher
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To: editor-surveyor
“Modern medicine” may differ slightly technologically from ancient medicine, but not morally in the vast majority of cases.

"Slightly"?? You mean the kind of "slightly" like how the space shuttle differs from a paper kite? C'mon...

I'll grant that the moral conditions of medicine are not much changed; human nature is a statistical flat line across all history, but I would contend that more modern times have stripped the pagan shamanism, and left just the "wealth for health" capitalism that was always there, so the whole system is much more secular having left the false religious trappings behind.

Modern medicine is not a healing system in general; it is a maintenance system, relying on deadly drugs that will never improve the ultimate condition of any patient.

Drugs are not cures for disease; they are nothing but a huge cash cow for medicine, pharma, and congress. They fund most of the corruption of the governments of men in the 21st century.

The cures for every disease are available, and have been as long as man has walked the Earth. God didn’t leave man waiting for the 21st century to be healed; he provided the cures before they were even needed.

Uhhh, well, I suppose there's some 800-page tome that documents all of this, and I suppose it reads much like the 800-page tome detailing CIA involvement in the Kennedy assassination...

There's no cite, and a HUGE requirement for support of these claims; support that would demand extensive, in-depth study below the radar of all of these participating elements.

Somehow, though, I get the feeling that somebody out there is the big hero who has taken on all these bad guys, got the dirt, published it, and I can get the 800-page book for just $19.95 plus shipping and handling... Point me there; I'm sure his website takes PayPal.

Point me to the people who are living to be 115 years old because they know all of these ancient Levitical cures and dietary secrets. Where is this burgeoning community filled with the very paragons of human health?

MY roots are in Missouri. SHOW ME.

How do you suppose men lived 800-900 years for the first 1500 years? They must have been doing something right.

God did the something right; He made the human body to live that long, then made a tweak in Genesis 6; lowering the "ceiling" to 120 years.

How did the Israelites live in their march through the negev dessert? Or Noah’s family on the ark?

Differently.

Noah and his family packed sufficient food. The Israelites had manna and water; only one of which survives to this day.

Oddly, on their second walking tour of the Negev, everyone died but Joshua and Caleb.

The Levite priests had the tools to cure everything, and they used them daily.

Sorry, that's another cite-less claim; without SOLID support it's just too "George Noory" for me to buy in. Got any archaeological backup you can point me to?

69 posted on 06/20/2012 4:36:02 PM PDT by HKMk23 (GOPe 2012 MITT HAPPENS)
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