Posted on 05/28/2012 12:46:18 PM PDT by James Thomas
Join Mark as he interviews Mike Zullo the lead commander of Sheriff Joe Arpaio's Cold Case Posse as he shares the latest regarding the posse's investigation into President Barack Obama's eligibility to be president.
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You can’t take a ferry to Mercer Island, as it is in Lake Washington, not in Puget Sound.
The Hiram M. Chittenden Locks, built in 1911 and often nicknamed the Ballard Locks, provides a link for boats between the salt water of Puget Sound and the fresh water of the Ship Canal, which connects eastward to Lake Union and Lake Washington.
That would be how they got the ferries that were built outside of Lake Washington to the lake, but there was no ferry service through the canal. Besides, all ferry service on the lake stopped, with the building of the floating bridges, 11 years before the trip from Vancouver that you describe in 1961.
” - - - A yr ago he remarked on the date of his B-Day, and was off by 3 wks.”
Thanks for the reminder.
I checked the date of the last ferry service on Lake Washington. The ferry Leschi makes its last run, ending ferry service on Lake Washington on August 31, 1950.
However, water taxi—”mosquito fleet”—from the ferry terminal on Seattle’s waterfront to Mercer Island was do-able through the Hiram M. Chittenden Locks. As a girl who lived on Mercer Island, Stanley Ann was well aware of her transportation resources. She may have taken the bus across the Floating Bridge. But, the idea of taking a water taxi seems like a easier task. She would step from a bigger ferry to a smaller boat If she came from Vancouver BC.
She would have known the route very well because it also offered her a fun way to get from isolated Mercer Island to the “cool” University of Washington coffee shops along the “Ave” as a rebellious bohemian teenager (called “Fringies” at that time). A water taxi ride from Mercer Island to the University District on the shores of Lake Washington is a more direct route. I am sure she used this resource, rather than drive a car or go by bus across the Floating Bridge, to get to downtown Seattle as a girl.
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I have argued with Yosemitest about this stuff before. He simply glosses over the financial difficulties of paying for, and making such a trip. He shows that it could possibly have happened theoretically, but a lot of stars would have to align just properly for this to occur, and it simply doesn't make any sense.
Barack Sr.'s father hated the idea of him marrying a white girl, so it is unlikely he would pay for the trip, let alone the kind of trouble Barrack Sr. would have with his first wife Keiza back in Kenya. Barrack Sr. Complained to the newspapers about how expensive it was to live in Hawaii, and mentioned he had to work for a pineapple company just to help pay his food and rent bills.
Presumably he would have rather kept any money available for flying two people to Kenya and back. It would have been apparently several thousand Canadian dollars, which I presume was something like half that amount in U.S. Dollars. Quite a sum in 1960.
No, till someone deals directly with the financial cost of this, and makes the theory more palatable, I'm simply not going to take the "birth in Kenya" theory very seriously. It's possible, but not the most probable.
Even if you dispute the granny Sarah acct, you still have that missing week to explain. Why would anyone excise that week and that week only—i.e.: the wk in ‘61 of Obama’s supposed Hawaiian birth—unless it mattered? There must be *some* arrival from a foreign country that occurred in that time frame which seriously undercuts Obama’s nativity tale; otherwise, why expunge the data?
I can only speculate that Barack Sr did not tell his father much about the girl he wanted to marry before the trip to Kenya. He may have convinced him that the dowry from the Dunhams would cover the transportation costs. Also, Hussein Onyango, had at least four wives, which would have helped convince him that his son could get another, in the Muslim tradition. That argument must have worked, because it prompted Hussein Onyango to finance the air fare to bring the couple over for a Kenyan wedding celebration. You can imagine the plans set in motion for such a celebration. You have to remember that Hussein Onyango was a very rich man and, with Barack Sr the first born, money was no object when it came to the benefit of his first son.
I also speculate that Barack Sr hoped that the charm of his wife would have convinced Onyango to give his blessing, once she showed up with him at the family home. It is my speculation also, that the whole scheme exploded when the demand was made that Stanley Ann undergo the traditional female circumcision procedure. That would have been done immediately after the birthing process. I am sure the enormity of the idea was too much and convinced Stanley Ann that she did not want to become a Muslim in the tradition of Kenyan Luo tribe. We can imagine the fireworks of disappointment when the wedding plans fell through. Also, the cost of air fare must have added salt to the wound.
When the father’s blessing failed, Barack Sr had to honor his father’s wishes or lose the financial support he needed at the University of Hawaii. I imagine that Barack Sr and Stanley Ann decided to hold off getting together until after Barack Sr had no more need of his father’s financial support. Their dreams of a happy marriage were put off to the future.
When she went to the University of Washington while he stayed in Hawaii, it told me that there was a active effort to separate them. By relocating Stanley Ann and Baby Obama in Seattle, that condition was satisfied. Hussein Onyango’s financial support would continue. And, it was cheaper to send Stanley Ann back to Seattle, thus saving them money. I imagine Hussein Onyango was a pinchpenny and was looking to save money wherever he could. If it meant that Barack Sr had to pick a little pineapple, that was a cost savings to him. A little work would also do Barack Sr some good in the physiques department.
When this was first announced I eagerly sought for the audio of her saying this. After hearing it, I was greatly disappointed. The Questioner did not ask an open ended question, (as you ought to do with any witness so as not to "lead" them) and then he made the question very misleading, especially given the fact that it was being translated back and forth into another language.
I no longer recall the question exactly, but It seems to me it went something like this: "Do you recall when Barack Obama was born... Here in your village?"
This is a question that could be interpreted more than one way, especially after being translated. It's credibility is further eroded by the fact that once the question was repeated more clearly, and once other people had an opportunity to better explain the question to her did she recant and say otherwise.
The long and short of it is, she may have said and meant such a thing, or she may have not. I know it has been repeated endlessly that she DID say such a thing, and it was understood completely by both sides that this is what she said, and that it was accurate, but as far as I can tell, this piece of evidence is very dubious.
(2) the missing week of foreign arrivals to HI in the National Archives.
This is very interesting, and it seems too incredible to be a coincidence, but it is not positive evidence in and of itself. Missing documents do not prove he was born in Kenya. If they were taken, they would have been taken had he been born in Canada or anywhere else.
The problem I have with the birth in Kenya is trying to understand why they would want to go to Kenya, and how they could have afforded to get there? Barack Sr. couldn't afford the trip, Madelyn Dunham could hardly have wanted to pay for it, Barack Sr's father hated the idea of him being involved with a white girl, and current wife Keiza would have been waiting there too.
Again, why on earth would they want to go, and how on earth could they afford to do it?
I find it very unlikely, but if more evidence comes up to demonstrate that this indeed is what happened, I will certainly reconsider my thinking on this.
Even if you dispute the granny Sarah acct, you still have that missing week to explain. Why would anyone excise that week and that week only—i.e.: the wk in ‘61 of Obama’s supposed Hawaiian birth—unless it mattered? There must be *some* arrival from a foreign country that occurred in that time frame which seriously undercuts Obama’s nativity tale; otherwise, why expunge the data?
It is peculiar, but I don't know if we should read too much into it. There may be other reasons for someone to remove that information, or it could just be the coincidental result of someone's incompetence. In any case, it is a good reason to put more scrutiny on this. It invites suspicion, but it doesn't prove anything conclusively.
I'm waiting for better evidence.
It is arguments like this that tip the hand of the Obots. They take all the weird, hinky anomalies in Obama’s records and in ea and every case assign a benign explanation. ‘Oh, the date stamp merely malfunctioned the day Obama registered for the Draft’ etc. etc. etc. etc. Never mind that the odds of all these shady anomalies happening to the same poor, benighted hapless guy are incalculable; to the Kool Aid drinking moonbats anything is possible/nothing raises an eyebrow.
Now I know for a certain fact that you are antipodal to the moonbat Obots. That is why your reply surprises me. For you to echo their explanation is the last thing I expected. Coincidental incompetence? Really? That poor man, Obama, has to be the most unfortunate human on earth when it comes to vital records. Something sketchy appears on every one he reveals, and it only illustrates how concentratedly inept any official associated w Obama’s documents was.
Needless to say, I don't buy it. That missing wk is evidence of more than coincidental incompetence. Who exactly arrived in HI from which foreign country I obviously do not know—the documentation is missing, duh. But someone arrived that week, someone whose arrival seriously/fundamentally undercuts BO’s nativity fairytale. That much would seem obvious at a minimum to all but the most hardcore moonbat Kool Aid drinkers...unless there truly is a benign and *likely* explanation. If there is, I haven't seen it yet.
I'm not saying that it is, i'm saying that it might be. I think it looks suspicious as well, and I would very much like to hear an explanation for it, but it ought not be stretched into proof he was born in Kenya. ( I favor Canada, myself.)
Never mind that the odds of all these shady anomalies happening to the same poor, benighted hapless guy are incalculable; to the Kool Aid drinking moonbats anything is possible/nothing raises an eyebrow.
But what about when weird long shot pieces of information turn out to be beneficial to our side? What are the odds that a President's mother would have posed nude, and that photographs would eventually come out? THAT is a wild long shot. THAT is a case where an anomaly just happened to go our way. Weird long shots *do* happen sometimes.
Now I know for a certain fact that you are antipodal to the moonbat Obots. That is why your reply surprises me. For you to echo their explanation is the last thing I expected. Coincidental incompetence? Really? That poor man, Obama, has to be the most unfortunate human on earth when it comes to vital records. Something sketchy appears on every one he reveals, and it only illustrates how concentratedly inept any official associated w Obama’s documents was.
I don't think it's a coincidence, or the result of incompetence, but that explanation cannot be dismissed just yet. I don't know about you, but I am juggling half a dozen possible theories at the same time. I see more and better evidence for some theories than I do for others, but I don't rule any of them out until they just won't square with some piece of provable data. The inability to acquire travel records for that particular period of time (while being able to see all other time periods) is a very suspicious circumstance. Hopefully the Zullo team will be able to enlighten us with the information they appear to have recently uncovered, and if it turns out they can prove or provide better links to Kenya, i'll be thrilled. It just currently looks like a dark horse from my perspective.
We only have to wait a couple of weeks, and then the Cold case posse will have their press conference. I can live with the possibility that I might be wrong till then.
I wasn't going to bother looking anything up, but I did run across this piece of evidence which seems to contradict your statement.
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The link is to the Obamafile, so it is credible enough for freeper Beckwith.
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I'm staying out of the old time pornographic pics issue. I just don't have the time and inclination to study those images to the degree of believing or not believing they are of SAD. I'll leave that discussion/argument to those w more motivation to hash it out.
The records missing from the National Archive cover arrivals to HI from foreign countries. If you don't believe the arrival in question related to Kenya, then what other foreign country might it have been? Why would someone related to Obama having arrived in HI during that wk from Canada, for example, so fundamentally threaten Obama’s nativity tale that the entire wk's worth of documentation had to disappear?
Expunging a whole wk’s worth of data from the National Archives is not child's play. Someone in a position of power sufficient to delete those records had a motivation to do so. An arrival of an Obama family member that wk from Kenya would certainly fill the bill. Rather than say, ‘that's not proof’, why not suggest an alternative? What Obama-related person arriving from what foreign country could so threaten Obama’s skein of lies that the records from the *National Archives* would need to be scrubbed? For me, any theory that doesn't explain this issue in a reasonable, believable way is a nonstarter.
I’m just going to take a “wait and see” approach on this issue. Yes, the missing documents may show a return flight for Barack Sr (possibly with Stanley Ann) from Kenya. It is a shame that we don’t have those records, but why we don’t have them I don’t know, but it looks suspicious, and in light of others similar peculiarities regarding his records, it could indeed be the result of a coverup.
And while we're waiting, I'll amuse myself by pretending to be a moonbat. Here's my explanation for the missing wk.
‘A prankster official removed the data just to mess w birthers’ minds, and to stir the conspiracy pot. There was nothing incriminating in that wk; the official just couldn't resist the temptation of screwing w Zullo and the birther conspirators.’
Honestly, the moonbats are insane enough to believe that type of nonsense. Half of them need to be committed and the other half needs to take a good long vacation from the Kool Aid. Their minds may still be salvageable, but only if they disengage from Obotism in time...and time is running out.
I won't say the democrats have a corner on the "insane" market, but they (the insane) are certainly over-represented among those who count themselves as Democrats.
If Cashill is certain it's SAD, and Snopes-obama-was-born-in-Queens-Hospital is certain it's not, guess who I believe? Hint: if Snopes claimed Obama was human, I'd start exploring the possibility that BO is a space alien.
Even if it is certain that SAD is the woman in the photos, however, that does zip for explaining the missing wk in the National Archives. It's an interesting point, but it bears not at all on a very crucial piece of evidence. I wonder if Cashill has or will weigh in on Zullo’s discovery? Cashill’s theory on the missing files would certainly be worth reading.
Beckwith might not appreciate you using THE OBAMA FILE in that fashion, he scrupulously keeps a record but he's not in a position to verify anything. I'm sure you would find a copy of the famous 'birth certificate' there, but would you use that as verification of anything? Of course not.
The letter from the U of HI doesn't verify anything either, all it does is give you an enrollment date. No transcript, nothing. And she doesn't show up again until Spring 1963, so where was she in the meantime?
The ANN S OBAMA shown in the Polk as a resident at the birth announcement address might well have been the student enrolled for Fall 1960. How would you know if they were the same person...better still, how would the letter-writer have known - the myth is that SAD married the kenyan student and Stuart Lau simply followed the myth when he wrote the letter.
The U of WA transcripts are also an extremely doubtful record. Beats me why you cling to Stanley Ann Dunham as the mother as if your life depended upon it...and you might remember I wrote PHYSICAL PRESENCE. The letter from the U of HI hardly provided anything of the kind.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2877813/posts?page=190#190
Don’t bother to get back to me. You insist she’s his mother, AFTER TWO YEARS OF RESEARCH, I see nothing convincing that she was. END.
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