Groups Concerned Over Arming Of Domestic Drones

CBS ^ | May 23, 2012

[stevie_d_64]

WASHINGTON (CBSDC) – With the use of domestic drones increasing, concern has not just come up over privacy issues, but also over the potential use of lethal force by the unmanned aircraft.

Drones have been used overseas to target and kill high-level terror leaders and are also being used along the U.S.-Mexico border in the battle against illegal immigration. But now, these drones are starting to be used domestically at an increasing rate.

The Federal Aviation Administration has allowed several police departments to use drones across the U.S. They are controlled from a remote location and use infrared sensors and high-resolution cameras.

Chief Deputy Randy McDaniel of the Montgomery County Sheriff’s Office in Texas told The Daily that his department is considering using rubber bullets and tear gas on its drone.

“Those are things that law enforcement utilizes day in and day out and in certain situations it might be advantageous to have this type of system on the UAV (unmanned aerial vehicle),” McDaniel told The Daily.

[stevie_d_64]

I don’t give a rats if they think this is the next step in “effective” law enforement!!!

It creats a lazyness I believe will create more problems than it will solve...

Those optical systems also work in conjunction with the targetsing of the “weapons these devices might be carrying in the future...

So where it looks so does the aiming of the weapons systems...

One “glitch”, or human factor error, and you’ll have rubber bullets (hehehe) and tear gass raining down on you...Or some other more lethal projectiles...

I consider that to be a reasonable threat to me, and those arouns me...The laws in the state of Texas allow me to reasonably determine that if a threat is percieved, Ihave the right to address that threat up to and the use of deadly force on that threat...Regardless if is a remotely piloted vehicle or not...

Tear gas and rubber bullets...Yeah, right...It will not stop there...

[EdReform]

You can bet that the Liberty raping jackboots will use these in any attempt to institute martial law.

[Bitsy]

Good morning, America. This is your big brother speaking.

[from occupied ga]

I don’t give a rats if they think this is the next step in “effective” law enforement!!!

I don't recall "effective law enforcement" being one of the government's duties as listed in the constitution. I do notice that there are a number of constraints on government powers (mostly ignored today) on what government can do. Welcome to the Union of Socialist States of Amerika komrad.

[TLI]

Montgomery county?

That would be Conrow, right?

How about that. Montgomery County Sheriff's Office Acquires ShadowHawk Unmanned Helicopter

By Mark Whittington | Yahoo! Contributor Network – Sat, Oct 29, 2011

What does the Montgomery County Sheriff's Department intend to use its ShadowHawk for?

The ShadowHawk will be used to aid in the pursuit of fleeing criminals and to help SWAT teams spot an active shooter. The drone can also be used in drug shipment investigations. Firefighters could use the remote controlled helicopter to monitor wildfires, such as afflicted much of Texas during the summer. The search for missing people could be aided as well. There are, however, no current plans to deploy any kind of a weapon on the ShadowHawk.

What are some of the concerns?

There are some privacy concerns, considering that the drone can look into people's back yards and, with the infrared equipment, into peoples' houses.

http://news.yahoo.com/montgomery-county-sheriffs-office-acquires-shadowhawk-unmanned-helicopter-210700992.html

Well, lets see.

Purchased in the last week of October 2011.

"No "current" plans.

Rubber bullets and tear gas in May, 2012

At their current rate of escalation they will "go hot" around The first week of December, 2012.

Crime fighting: The seven-foot remote controlled Shadowhawk can shoot stun batons, and even grenades, at criminals and pirates. Buyers have the options of turbine or piston engines, thermal cameras, laser pointers and range finders. They can also choose to install taser batons, 37mm or 40mm grenade launchers or 12 gauge shotgun rounds.

Good to see that American Citizen tax money is being used to put those same American Citizens on the same level as East Africa pirates.

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[Georgia Girl 2]

I foresee a new sport emerging in the South. Sporting Drones. “Hold muh beer”

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks stevie_d_64. Zero wouldn’t use these to fire on Americans. Oh, and FYI, he also cut spending.

[theBuckwheat]

The “next step in effective law enforcement” borders on the next step to the Total Police State. This proves once more that government is too powerful and the only way we can throttle government is to starve it for money to spend. This will have the added benefit of giving us back the days of wages it is extorting from us to pay for the State it busily attempting to impose.

[ngat]

“It will not stop there...”

Why not have armed Robo-wheeled vehicles? Remotely driven from the local police station, on and off road, the LEO operator could fire machine guns and missiles ground-to-ground, and target buildings, other vehicles, pedestrians, -even aircraft!

[Son House]

And the census bureau just took the grid coordinates of everyone’s front door...

[OneWingedShark]

>And the census bureau just took the grid coordinates of everyone’s front door...

That’s why any sensible man uses the window nowadays.

[stevie_d_64]

Wonder what the TTL is on these things...

Yeah...A plan is emerging...Hehehe, If I can only get the system to work through my nephews Xbox360...

;-)

[Condor51]

Math problem:

If you first spot a Drone directly overhead and it is flying at an elevation of 300ft, going East at a speed of 60 mph, and the Wind is blowing from the Northeast at 5 mph ....

1) How much do have have to lead the drone with your rifle for a .308 caliber FMJ bullet in order to knock he gd thing out of the friggen sky and into a gazillion pieces?
and.....
2) Do you have to allow for windage deviation? Or can you ignore it due to the average heavy grain of a .308 FMJ bullet, and just allow for the lead?

And assume you already have your rifle and it's locked and loaded as you've been hoping to see one of these JBT gubmint spy toys for a while now.

Oh, for Extra Credit: What's the Name of the JBT sitting back in the control room playing with his joystick?

:-)

[Forgotten Amendments]

Remember when we laughed at the paranoid “black helicopter” types? I hereby offer my apology.

Where did I put that shortwave radio?

[stevie_d_64]

I think it was next to your tin foil cap collection??? ;-)

BTW, how many prongs does your latest cap have???

Mine has three...It doubles as a salsa bowl...hehe

[stevie_d_64]

I cuold use a .308, but I don’t need to lead anything at 300 ft (100 yds.) if I break out “Ole’ Painless” (.50 cal)

[American in Israel]

Our present Congress has become quite sinister. The Oath of service to the Constitution is a joke at this point. Sad to see.

[Altariel]

Well. This didn’t take long.

[doublecansiter]

The LEO’s have gotten real good at “no knock” raids at the
wrong house. Now they can do by remote control?

Mike