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Arizona deputies in Hawaii seeking Obama birth certificate
Star-Advertiser ^ | May 21, 2012 | Star-Advertiser staff

Posted on 05/22/2012 7:56:20 AM PDT by Brown Deer

Two men who identified themselves as being from the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office in Phoenix went to the Hawaii Department of Health Monday morning requesting verification of President Barack Obama's birth certificate, said a state spokeswoman.

A Hawaii deputy attorney general gave the men information concerning the legal requirements to obtain such a document; the requirements are posted on the Health Department's website. The two men then left the office, Health Department spokeswoman Janice Okubo said.

The two men showed Maricopa County Sheriff's Office badges and identified themselves as Michael Zullo and Brian Mackiewcz, Okubo said. They are "authorized by the Sheriff of Maricopa County, who is conducting an official investigation," a spokesman for the sheriff's office said in an email.

Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio has been researching Obama's residency status using a volunteer cold-case "posse," but now has employed a taxpayer-funded deputy, The Arizona Republic reported Monday.

Zullo is a volunteer, the Republic reported, but Okubo said that Mackiewicz presented a business card showing he is with the Threats Management Unit of the sheriff's office.

Arapaio's birth certificate investigation comes as the U.S. Justice Department is suing his office for alleged civil rights violations, including discrimination against Hispanics.

Separately, Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett, who says he is not a "birther," said in a radio interview Thursday that Obama's Arizona ballot status is in question unless Hawaii responds positively to his request under a Hawaii law regarding confirmation of birth certificates.

Hawaii Department of Attorney General spokesman Josh Wisch said Monday the department has been in touch with Bennett since Friday and that he would need to provide legal authority showing his office is "a governmental agency or organization who for a legitimate government purpose maintains and needs to update official lists of persons in the ordinary course of the agency's or organization's activities."

Obama was born in Honolulu on Aug. 4, 1961. Birthers contend Obama was not born in the United States and thus not eligible to be president. The state released a copy of Obama's long-form birth certificate last year, but the release did not satisfy many birthers.

Bennett, a Republican who is reportedly considering a run for governor in Arizona, said Friday he assumes he'll get the confirmation he requested in March from Hawaii officials.


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: bc; chicagoresumefraud; harvardresumefraud; kenbennett; naturalborncitizen; noaccountability; nobc; nohonesty; nointegrity; nojustice; notruth; obama; sheriffjoe
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To: Qwackertoo
You don’t know how tempted I was to smart off about the birth certificate but given the fact we were at the mercy of the employees of the DMV . . . I did not.

Shucks in Oregon they demand the same kind of stuff, unless.......You are an illegal then all you need is the Mexican ID issued by their consulate, Is this a great country or what?

101 posted on 05/22/2012 10:02:46 AM PDT by itsahoot (I will not vote for Romney period.)
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To: MissMagnolia

http://www.wnd.com/2011/01/254401/


102 posted on 05/22/2012 10:03:49 AM PDT by houeto (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: atc23

Rumpswab? Nice. Very gracious.

Go back and read posts 17, 57, 61, 77, 81, and 91 of this thread carefully. Read them twice, if necessary.

Now, don’t you feel rather stupid yourself?


103 posted on 05/22/2012 10:04:52 AM PDT by punchamullah
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To: MissMagnolia

That would be Tim Adams. You can find the story at WND.


104 posted on 05/22/2012 10:06:53 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Flint
Might take an FOI request, long shot but possible.

More likely take the 82nd.

105 posted on 05/22/2012 10:08:04 AM PDT by itsahoot (I will not vote for Romney period.)
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To: punchamullah

They tend to jump without looking.


106 posted on 05/22/2012 10:08:28 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Talking of Attorney Generals, I just wondered why Hawaii’s AG is required to parry a basic verification request from the Arizona SOS to Hawaii DOH?


107 posted on 05/22/2012 10:10:28 AM PDT by Exmil_UK
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To: hoosiermama

Only way they’re going to do that is if it’s that or jail.


108 posted on 05/22/2012 10:12:18 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Cheney/Rumsfeld 2012)
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To: Brown Deer

Michael Zullo and Brian Mackiewcz may not be country deputies. They may be members of Sheriff Joe’s posse—the same posse that carried out Sheriff Joe’s investigation of the birth certificate. The Sheriff’s posse are unpaid volunteers.


109 posted on 05/22/2012 10:17:50 AM PDT by righttackle44 (I may not be much, but I raised a United States Marine.)
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To: Exmil_UK

Because it’s a legal game now.


110 posted on 05/22/2012 10:19:51 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: FewsOrange
Will Bennett be sending anyone to Michigan?

Bennett isn't sending anyone anywhere. He has asked the state of Hawaii for conformation based on complaints lodged by Arizona residents about Obama's citizenship status.

Arpaio has sent deputies to Hawaii for an ongoing investigation into fraud, I believe it's being characterized.

111 posted on 05/22/2012 10:24:25 AM PDT by kevkrom (Those in a rush to trample the Constitution seem to forget that it is the source of their authority.)
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To: punchamullah

Only one person must be a citizen, so that gets them off the hook with his alleged father being a Kenyon national. But the mother must be of age, 18 I think, to confer natural born citizenship on the child, in the case that the father was foreign citizen. She was 17 when she had him, so he CAN NOT be a natural born citizen of the United States of America.


112 posted on 05/22/2012 10:25:32 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Cheney/Rumsfeld 2012)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
If a verification is all that was requested, a name and date of birth, M/F etc

why does that need to be blocked unless there is no DOB in *Hawaii* ?

Even Birthers think his BC name is BHO II and the DOB is Aug 4 1961.

113 posted on 05/22/2012 10:28:00 AM PDT by Exmil_UK
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To: Brown Deer
Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio has been researching Obama's residency status using a volunteer cold-case "posse," but now has employed a taxpayer-funded deputy, The Arizona Republic reported Monday.

The Arizona Secretary of State may have a legitimate reason to investigate Obama's birth certificate, but it's not so clear that Maricopa County does.

Of course Joe Arpaio (who will be 80 on June 14) can spend as much of his own time and money on this as the voters will put up with.

114 posted on 05/22/2012 10:28:00 AM PDT by wideminded
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To: atc23

Not everybody that has public education, NYC public education at that, has turned out bad. I spent 13 years in the NYC system, and yet I’m on here.


115 posted on 05/22/2012 10:29:10 AM PDT by wastedyears ("God? I didn't know he was signed onto the system.")
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To: A CA Guy
Can’t anyone just produce the hospital records of where he was born.

I'd settle for a lie detector test.

116 posted on 05/22/2012 10:32:06 AM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: ichabod1

My understanding is that both parents of the potential POTUS or VPOTUS must be citizens of the USA.

The point that I tried to make, in support of New Jersey Realist (post 57) is that there is no requirement that the PARENTS of the NBC in question must be born in the USA.


117 posted on 05/22/2012 10:36:32 AM PDT by punchamullah
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To: atc23

Rumpswab? Wow, that was a new one to me. That elite education of yours has paid off bigtime! What school was it?


118 posted on 05/22/2012 10:36:57 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Diogenesis

The left is still playing games with obama’s eligibility. There NOBLE GAMES though. It will be a miracle if obama is the democrat canidate in 2012. His collasping pole numbers, fighting the release of his background information showing him a radical communist. Forged birth certificate, SS and Draft card. The democrat think 2010 was politically bad, they ain’t seen bad yet, but it’s coming real soon.


119 posted on 05/22/2012 10:38:43 AM PDT by spawn44
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To: Mears

bfl


120 posted on 05/22/2012 10:40:21 AM PDT by Mears (Alcohol. Tobacco. Firearms. What's not to like?)
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To: wideminded

“The Arizona Secretary of State may have a legitimate reason to investigate Obama’s birth certificate, but it’s not so clear that Maricopa County does.”

Fraudulent government documents being circulated in Maricopa county gives him that right. It’s a felony.


121 posted on 05/22/2012 10:52:30 AM PDT by Suz in AZ
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To: Jack Hydrazine
Wasn’t there a guy who claimed to have worked for the Hawaii state government in the vital statistics department and learned that a BC of any kind does not exist for Barry?

Tim Adams who signed an affidavit that there was no Obama birf certificate. Zullo likely touched base with him for leads and people to interview in Hawaii. The Hawaiian witness interview list, to go along with DoH official and former DoH personnel should have included former DoH Director Dr. Neal Palafox who was abruptly fired by Abercrombie along with HI state senator Sam Slom who questioned his firing to Abercrombie

Conspicuously, Gov. AberCommie was away in New York last week "visiting family" and probably was making himself scarce this week too along with his Lt. Governor who is suppose to be in Taiwan.

122 posted on 05/22/2012 10:57:01 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Exmil_UK
"Hawaii Department of Attorney General spokesman Josh Wisch said Monday the department has been in touch with Bennett since Friday and that he would need to provide legal authority showing his office is 'a governmental agency or organization who for a legitimate government purpose maintains and needs to update official lists of persons in the ordinary course of the agency's or organization's activities.' " (emphasis mine)

Carefully read the Hawaii AG's response. Notice that he is telling Bennett, specifically, what legal language he must use to request confirmation of Obama's vital record(s).

But the key phrase, although not quoted, is "provide legal authority." Hawaii is essentially saying to Bennett, "Cite the AZ statute that requires you, as the SoS and head of elections, to confirm a candidate's vital record(s).

It took Hawaii EIGHT weeks to respond. Guess what that means? The Hawaii AG has researched AZ law and knows that there is no such statute. It's just a legal game.

Bennett is going to have to take it to the next level.

123 posted on 05/22/2012 11:02:02 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

Say what you want.

I love Dog.

He does a job that is very risky & tough. Someone has to do it, and he seems to do very well at it.

His reputation sometimes gets the missing perp to surrender without any trouble.


124 posted on 05/22/2012 11:06:58 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: A CA Guy

Contact Kenya.


125 posted on 05/22/2012 11:10:04 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: BuckeyeTexan

But there are laws against using faux ID and false documentation. Doesn’t have to be to verify to be put on ballot. Just that he will not put a person on ballot unless the ID proves not to be faked.


126 posted on 05/22/2012 11:10:59 AM PDT by hoosiermama ( Obama born in Kenya...Is he lying now or was he lying then?)
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To: MHGinTN

I noticed him before. I think it’s a retread perhaps. As soon as people call themselves “realist” (got one on another thread, this time he’s pushing Romney’s pro-faggotry) I instantly remember Scewtape and his fellow devils calling themselves and hell itself “realist”.


127 posted on 05/22/2012 11:12:38 AM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: Brown Deer

Good. Someone has to get to the bottom of it, unless all tracks have been covered, which is also possible.


128 posted on 05/22/2012 11:13:28 AM PDT by b4its2late (A Liberal is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: rawcatslyentist

Thank you for that solution.

I have been wondering for years how he got that number. Never thought about the access to various his Grandma had at the bank!!!

It certainly would be very easy to prove that the real owner of that SS number was a customer of that bank. Even a simple 1099 for savings account interest would be enough.


129 posted on 05/22/2012 11:15:25 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: ichabod1
Jail or the threat of jail. Most don't want to have to pay the legal fees to keep them out of jail.
“Let's Make a Deal/Jeopardy/Price is Right/Bonanza....all rolled into one BIG show!
130 posted on 05/22/2012 11:16:29 AM PDT by hoosiermama ( Obama born in Kenya...Is he lying now or was he lying then?)
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To: New Jersey Realist

Both parents have to be citizens of the USA.

Daddy Obama was NOT.
He was a student here on a Fulbright (?) scholarship, and was a citizen of Kenya, which in 1961 was still a colony of Britain. Therefore, Daddy was technically a British citizen.


131 posted on 05/22/2012 11:17:46 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: righttackle44

One is a deputy. One is a volunteer.


132 posted on 05/22/2012 11:24:42 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Very interesting this matter has been passed on to the Hawaii AG. The head of the DOH could have easily confirmed the matter for the SOS for AZ and this issue would be over long ago.

It’s possible the digital BC released to the public does not match what they have and Hawaii has gone in to self-protect mode. Why else would it have been passed off to the AG?


133 posted on 05/22/2012 11:26:58 AM PDT by Salthawk
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To: spawn44

We may get all 57 states if they run the flamboyant Muslim again.


134 posted on 05/22/2012 11:28:42 AM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: hoosiermama
But there are laws against using faux ID and false documentation.

Law enforcement is the only agency who can address such a violation. Bennett is the SoS. He must address questions about Obama's LFBC in his capacity as the head of elections, which means ballot access.

135 posted on 05/22/2012 11:30:35 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Salthawk

They release an “abstract” and BO decides to edit it. Would they have any way of proving his information was not provided by them?


136 posted on 05/22/2012 11:33:08 AM PDT by hoosiermama ( Obama born in Kenya...Is he lying now or was he lying then?)
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To: Salthawk

AG reports to Abercromby who reports to the Kenyan Crapbag.

AG is just there to put sand in all gears.


137 posted on 05/22/2012 11:34:41 AM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: Salthawk

I don’t find it unusual. The Hawaii AG reviewed and approved Fukino’s statements about Obama’s vital records and citizenship status. The Deputy AG responded to Orly Taitz’s subpoena demanding access to HDoH vital records. It’s a legal matter, so the head attorney for Hawaii is involved.

What I find interesting is that it took Hawaii eight weeks to respond.


138 posted on 05/22/2012 11:37:52 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

But he cannot base his actions on material that has been deemed to be fake. To do so would be illegal....Someone passes you a fake $20. You are told by a banker it is fake. You don’t pass it at the gas station.


139 posted on 05/22/2012 11:38:50 AM PDT by hoosiermama ( Obama born in Kenya...Is he lying now or was he lying then?)
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To: New Jersey Realist

I searched Article 2 Section 1 very carefully, word for word but I didn’t find “unless both parents were as well born in the United States.” Where exactly is that? Please enlighten me.

First; it’s both parents have to be citizens at the time of the birth. not both parents born in the US.

Second; the phrase “natural born” as used at that time was clearly understood by all to mean “ born on US soil of parents who are US citizens”.

Third; there was no ambiguity then (during the writing of the constitution) and the interjected ambiguity now is an attempt to hide treason and the fact that we have no current president.


140 posted on 05/22/2012 11:42:23 AM PDT by W. W. SMITH (Maybe the horse will learn to sing)
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To: hoosiermama; PA-RIVER

Not sure about that. I was just surprised this has been handed off to the AG when the DOH should have been the one that should be taking care of this in a timely manner if there are no problems. The DOH has responded before, even if it was full of legalese, they responded. I just wonder what changed and why the AG is now involved. I’m only speculating that they may be now in self-protect mode with the AG involved.


141 posted on 05/22/2012 11:45:40 AM PDT by Salthawk
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To: Brown Deer
Obama and Eric Holder effed with Arizona and now payback is coming back big time. This kind of news is delicious! Mess with Arizona and you will regret it!
142 posted on 05/22/2012 11:48:13 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: atc23

I didn’t know I had to look up some Swiss philosopher to understand what the constitution tells me. Are you insane? You can’t assume something like that. The Constitution was written by well educated men who were well versed in English common law. If they had followed Vattel they would have used his words, not the words used by English common law. I’m sure you are familiar with the two words to which I refer. The whole universe KNOWS that the United States is Jus Soli. Jus Sanguine pertains to Americans born abroad.

You have absolutely NO PROOF that NBC requires citizen parents. It just ain’t there or anywhere to be found. What IS there are numerous court decisions that rule AGAINST you.

I have been following the threads regarding this issue and have yet to find convincing proof of your assertion that NBC requires two citizen parents. THE ONLY requirement for two citizen parents is if their child is born overseas and that is what confuses you people.

Tell me this. Suppose YOU want to run for president. How would you prove your parents are citizens? All you have is your birth certificate and I don’t know of many who can get hold of their parents bc’s. There is absolutely NO precedent for that neither. How would you know if you weren’t adopted? Some states (such as NJ) will never tell you that information. How do you know what someone put down on your BC represents the truth? Suppose the mother was not sure of the father. There is only ONE thing that your BC proves....and that is if you were born in the U.S. What if a baby was dropped off at the hospital, does that mean he could not run for the office of president? That is absurd to say the least.

This NBC issue pertains to less than 100 people throughout our history. It is of small significance when compared to the larger issue which is proving Obama was born in Kenya which would prove he is not NBC since his mother was of insufficent age to pass on citizenship.


143 posted on 05/22/2012 11:48:31 AM PDT by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: hoosiermama
But he cannot base his actions on material that has been deemed to be fake.

Until the "probable cause" found by a volunteer effort results in an official criminal investigation or criminal charges by AZ law enforcement, Bennett can do only what he has - request confirmation directly from HI. If he complies with HI statutes for requesting that confirmation and does not get a confirmation, then he can remove Obama's name from the ballot or require a certified copy of the LFBC directly from Obama.

144 posted on 05/22/2012 11:50:20 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
What I find interesting is that it took Hawaii eight weeks to respond.

The M.O. of this administration, whenever faced with any adversity: stall, delay, obfuscate, defer, divert, ignore. Oh, and that along with retaliate, accuse, and implement vengeance.

They are merely trying to get past the first week of November. Hopefully, the determination of a few will overcome those tactics in time.

145 posted on 05/22/2012 11:50:29 AM PDT by alancarp (Liberals are all for shared pain... until they're included in the pain group.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Oh OK. Yes, I wonder why it’s taken so long too. If no problems confirming the info, then it shouldn’t long at all.

It makes the state government of Hawaii look very suspicious taking so long and throwing up legal hurdles to the info.


146 posted on 05/22/2012 11:51:22 AM PDT by Salthawk
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To: punchamullah

Are you a mole?

see post 140.


147 posted on 05/22/2012 11:51:43 AM PDT by W. W. SMITH (Maybe the horse will learn to sing)
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To: W. W. SMITH

Is a mole a type of rumpswab? He’s been called a rumpswab today already. I’m trying to stay informed.


148 posted on 05/22/2012 11:57:25 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: BuckeyeTexan; houeto

Thanks ..... as they say, the coverup is usually worse than the crime. I’d love to be a fly on the wall in the WH these days and no, I don’t subscribe to the theory that this is all a ‘diversion’ to keep from talking about the economy.


149 posted on 05/22/2012 11:58:41 AM PDT by MissMagnolia (Being powerful is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren't. (M.Thatcher))
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To: New Jersey Realist
I searched Article 2 Section 1 very carefully, word for word but I didn’t find “unless both parents were as well born in the United States.” Where exactly is that? Please enlighten me.

He's saying the term Natural Born Citizen means: a person who is born of two parents who are themselves citizens (of any type, ex naturalized).

150 posted on 05/22/2012 12:00:08 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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