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M1 Garand: Our New Service Rifle (Original 1938 Review)
American Rifleman ^ | August 1938 | Maj. G.H. Drewry

Posted on 05/18/2012 11:00:10 AM PDT by Mikey_1962

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I love this weapon (except for the weight).

Anybody know why they were considering .276 caliber?

1 posted on 05/18/2012 11:00:15 AM PDT by Mikey_1962
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To: Mikey_1962

Love ‘em too. Got two myself.


2 posted on 05/18/2012 11:01:31 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Mikey_1962

The .270 caliber bullet riding on the same powder makes a hell of a weapon. Fast, flat & hard hitting.


3 posted on 05/18/2012 11:02:52 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: Mikey_1962

Favorite rifle evuh!

Well, except for my Springfield M1A in .308.


4 posted on 05/18/2012 11:03:59 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: skeeter

All I have are the 8 round clips , D’oh


5 posted on 05/18/2012 11:03:59 AM PDT by molson209
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To: Mikey_1962

What ever happened to the rifles that were supposed to be coming home from Korea?


6 posted on 05/18/2012 11:04:07 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: skeeter

I thought you lost them in a canoeing accident?


7 posted on 05/18/2012 11:07:01 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1214 of our ObamaVacation from reality [and what dark chill/is gathering still/before the storm])
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To: Last Dakotan

O’Bozo has banned then.


8 posted on 05/18/2012 11:09:13 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Mikey_1962

My Dad talked about “M-1 Thumb”.


9 posted on 05/18/2012 11:10:45 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: archy

“Anybody know why they were considering .276 caliber?”


10 posted on 05/18/2012 11:12:20 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Mikey_1962
Part of my collection and one of my favs.
11 posted on 05/18/2012 11:13:46 AM PDT by oyez ( Yomomacare going done once, going down twice, going---..)
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To: Last Dakotan

I thought the ones that were supposed to be getting dumped on the market were carbines.


12 posted on 05/18/2012 11:22:45 AM PDT by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: Travis McGee

I don’t have a definitive answer, but it appears that after The Great War there was a line of thought among the various War Departments that a .30 caliber cartridge was more powerful than necessary for most purposes, and a .276 cartridge was adequate and, being lighter, lessened the load carried by an infantryman.


13 posted on 05/18/2012 11:24:00 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Mikey_1962

I loved the M-14. Once you humped the thing long enough you never noticed the weight.


14 posted on 05/18/2012 11:24:46 AM PDT by Little Bill (Sorry)
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To: Mikey_1962
I am correctable, but if I remember right it was because a 7mm bullet (or a .276) has a better BC for a given weight than a .308 bullet.

Look at the ballistics of the .270 and 30-06. The .270 is flatter shooting when you compare bullets of similar weight.

I think it boiled down to we had a lot of .30-06 ammo, and didn't want to change. Note that the US military is still looking at .270 or 7mm bullets for their next cartridge. The 6.8 SPC for instance.

15 posted on 05/18/2012 11:27:37 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Travis McGee

For the same reason we still are:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6.8_mm_Remington_SPC


16 posted on 05/18/2012 11:38:34 AM PDT by Dogbert41 ("...The people of Jerusalem are strong, because the Lord Almighty is their God" Zech. 12:5)
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To: Last Dakotan

I hunt with the .270 (Browning A-bolt). Great power, and the round trajectory is as flat as the surface of a glacial pond at sunrise. I wish my dad hadn’t sold his old M1 though. I’d love to own one now.


17 posted on 05/18/2012 11:40:25 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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Anybody know why they were considering .276 caliber?

~7mmx50 (.27) has been shown over and over by numerous different studies, starting in the 1920's, to be the perfect military round.

Curiously, the 7x57 Mauser had it right from the very beginning.

I love my Garands though.

18 posted on 05/18/2012 11:52:25 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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“I think it boiled down to we had a lot of .30-06 ammo, and didn’t want to change.”

Precisely. The US military was sitting on tens of millions (if not billions) of .30 M1906 rounds left over from World War I. And per standard governmental procurement practice of the time, existing supplies had to be used up before a new design could be implemented. (Which is also why other interwar developments, such as the improved M1 .30-06 cartridge and the pistol-grip stock for the Springfield rifle, were not introduced until almost the eve of World War II. The leftover supplies from 1918 had to be used up first.)

Military spending in the 1920s and 30s was dismal at best (this was the optimistic era of “no more war” sentiment and the Kellogg-Briand Pact), and the military visionaries who saw the value of a semi-automatic rifle in future battle realized they would have a hard enough job trying to justify the money to replace millions of Springfield and Enfield rifles. Justifying new ammunition as well would likely have been a non-starter for the whole project.


19 posted on 05/18/2012 11:55:07 AM PDT by M1903A1 ("We shed all that is good and virtuous for that which is shoddy and sleazy... and call it progress")
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To: Mikey_1962; All

About a decade ago, I had the opportunity to fire a Garand M-1 and a German Kar Mauser at Ft. Meade’s Rifle Range. Both rifles were the standard infantry rifle of that time.

There is NO comparison!

The Garand, though heavy and lovingly cared for didn’t rattle or make noise, outside of its sling and stacking swivels.

There was no slop between the metal to metal components and furniture. The clip of 30.06 rounds needed some force to insert with the thumb of my left hand.

The magazine/charging cover snapped back sharply with little help and the Garand SOUNDED like something forceful, authoritative and intimidating when squeezing off rounds for sighting and dope. The recoil with a properly adjusted sling was there. To relax and ride up. Then fall back into where it had been before. An absolute dream to shoot!

The Kar, on the other hand rattled wood to wood and metal to wood. With noticeable slop and looseness in the travel of the bolt.

A less than satisfying lock between bolt and barrel. A less than confident feel when squeezing a trigger that didn’t break evenly or consistently. Though, after settling in. The rifle did have decent, relatively tight groupings at 100 yards.


20 posted on 05/18/2012 11:55:10 AM PDT by Jack Deth (Knight Errant and Resident FReeper Kitty Poem /Haiku Guy)
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