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WH getting blowback from African-American churches over gay-marriage stance
Hot Air.com ^ | May 14, 2012 | Ed Morrissey

Posted on 05/14/2012 11:18:05 AM PDT by Kaslin

Barney Frank told the panel on ABC’s This Week that “I don’t think anyone’s vote was changed” when Barack Obama endorsed the legalization of same-sex marriage — but that might be too optimistic an analysis. The New York Times reports that the White House went on a charm offensive with leaders of faith organizations, including and perhaps especially African-American churches where opposition to gay marriage runs high. So far, the charm offensive has had mixed results:

About two hours after declaring his support for same-sex marriage last week, President Obama gathered eight or so African-American ministers on a conference call to explain himself. He had struggled with the decision, he said, but had come to believe it was the right one.

The ministers, though, were not all as enthusiastic. A vocal few made it clear that the president’s stand on gay marriage might make it difficult for them to support his re-election. …

In the end, Mr. Coates, who supports civil marriages for gay men and lesbians, said that most of the pastors, regardless of their views on this issue, agreed to “work aggressively” on behalf of the president’s campaign. But not everyone. “Gay marriage is contrary to their understanding of Scripture,” Mr. Coates said. “There are people who are really wrestling with this.”

This was the danger of going on the record, a danger Obama’s allies on the Left apparently discounted. Obama drove turnout in 2008 in part through the enthusiastic participation of these very same churches. Having now sided with the people who call these black pastors and congregations “bigots,” especially in North Carolina where two-thirds of black voters supported Amendment One, Obama is not at risk of having them flip to Mitt Romney — but he does risk losing that enthusiasm, fundraising, and organization.

It’s not just about the policy itself, either. The churches now wonder whether Obama will back efforts to force churches to perform same-sex marriages, a topic which one religious leader broached with the President during one of the calls:

“Some of the faith communities are going to be afraid that this is an attack against religious liberty,” Mr. Hunter remembered telling the president.

“Absolutely not,” Mr. Obama insisted. “That’s not where we’re going, and that’s not what I want.”

Really? The Obama administration’s track record on religious freedom singularly argues otherwise. Most recently, the White House stabbed their allies in health-care reform in the Catholic Church in the back by using the ObamaCare law that the US Conference of Catholic Bishops supported to create a mandate that requires church organizations to pay for contraception, sterilization, and abortifacients. Even more to the point, the Obama administration tried to apply the ADA to force a church to rehire a minister they’d terminated, an attempt that got a 9-0 rebuke from the Supreme Court.

The only time this President is solicitous of religious freedom and principles is when he’s trying to cover his own rear end.

On the other hand, Obama’s declaration has resulted in a lot of enthusiasm at churches … for Romney, as Andrew Malcolm explains:

Near the end of the competitive part of the recent Republican presidential primary season, Gov. Mitt Romney began showing growing support among evangelical voters. The Mormon had been losing that influential portion of the GOP base by lopsided proportions. Not anymore.

Thank you, Barack Obama. …

In a major examination of evangelical support for Romney the Deseret News Sunday quoted several Southern academics. Dave Woodard of Clemson University called Obama’s carefully-staged statement a gift for Romney highlighting his candidacy’s uniqueness in supporting traditional marriage.

“I don’t think there’s any doubt he’s sealed the deal,” with most evangelical voters, Woodard told the paper. “I think he can make up for any other problems he has with them with just this one issue.”

Woodard added: “There is beginning to be some genuine enthusiasm for Mitt Romney. They’re not just going to talk about his Sunday morning activities. He has the convictions on the issues they like.”

Newsweek may have crowned Obama with a secular halo this weekend, but he’s not getting hosannas from the churches — and that might be all it takes to send Obama into retirement in January 2013.


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1 posted on 05/14/2012 11:18:13 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

It’s irrelevant how the black community feels about gay marriage. They will still vote for Obama no matter what.


2 posted on 05/14/2012 11:21:32 AM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Kaslin
The churches now wonder whether Obama will back efforts to force churches to perform same-sex marriages

He won't have to "back" them, just appoint one more Supreme Court justice who'll give them the 5-4 majority they need to find such a new "right" in the Constitution's penumbras.

3 posted on 05/14/2012 11:24:10 AM PDT by Argus
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To: Jonty30

Melanin uber alles.


4 posted on 05/14/2012 11:25:21 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Jonty30
But will they turn out like in 2008 or will they slip back to their lower percentages in previous years?

I guess the instant push polling after Obama's interview didn't have as much effect as they had hoped.

5 posted on 05/14/2012 11:34:09 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (You only have three billion heartbeats in a lifetime.How many does the government claim as its own?)
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To: Kaslin; All

ha ha...they said ‘blow’ back!


6 posted on 05/14/2012 11:34:24 AM PDT by notdownwidems (Vote Republican! We're 1/10 of 1% better than the other guys!)
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To: Kaslin

Nice try Barry! There isn’t a single black in this country who’ll vote GOP, so it doesn’t matter what the hell this marxist faggot does, he’s black, they’re black. End of story! Race riots at 11.


7 posted on 05/14/2012 11:35:29 AM PDT by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: Kaslin

And yet no one in the media (incuding conservative media) is going to point out the fact that it is the party of the KKK (democrat party) that is seeking to redefine civil rights? So I guess the plan of the KKK here is to diminish the power a person’s race or gender has in regards to rights by elevating the power of a person’s sexual behavior. It amazes me that they can pull off such a diabolical plan.

“Your black? Who cares! You just insulted a homosexual and you will be punished!!!”


8 posted on 05/14/2012 11:35:44 AM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: Kaslin

Stupid move by Obama, the people who are cheering him for this were going to vote for him no matter what, all he’s done is turn off a lot of independents.


9 posted on 05/14/2012 11:36:51 AM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: Kaslin

White House: You will take it and like it. Now move on.


10 posted on 05/14/2012 11:41:26 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: Jonty30

No, they won’t vote against him. Ethnic solidarity will ensure a high percentage of the black vote. But they don’t have to vote for him, or put in time organizing and getting out the vote.

Less passion will ensure a lower turnout and could make a difference in swing states.


11 posted on 05/14/2012 11:44:09 AM PDT by GreenLanternCorps ("Barack Obama" is Swahili for "Jimmy Carter".)
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To: Kaslin

Even if Obama was caught on film having pervert sex with Holder in a threesome involving a mexican donkey, the 98% would still vote for their brudder.


12 posted on 05/14/2012 11:44:47 AM PDT by Gator113 (***YOU GAVE it to Obama. I would have voted for NEWT.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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To: Kaslin

Wait a minute... how can a preacher “support” a president’s re-election when churches are 501c-3 organizations legally prohibited from favoring political candidates, at risk of their tax-exempt status?


13 posted on 05/14/2012 11:45:39 AM PDT by Oberon (Big Brutha Be Watchin'.)
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To: Gator113; tx_eggman

is the donkey male or female? I’d hate to think they’d do something immoral!


14 posted on 05/14/2012 11:47:26 AM PDT by SpinnerWebb (In 2012 you will awaken from your HOPEnosis and have no recollection of this... "Constitution")
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To: notdownwidems

now how does Obama weasel out of his gay marriage , “It was the cocaine “


15 posted on 05/14/2012 11:48:53 AM PDT by molson209
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To: GreenLanternCorps
Less passion will ensure a lower turnout and could make a difference in swing states.

That's the bottom line. And just to be sure -- pray for rain.

16 posted on 05/14/2012 11:49:00 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Real men are not threatened by strong women." -- Sarah Palin)
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To: Kaslin

He can afford to throw them under the bus now. Their congregations will still vote for him in the 90% range. Besides, the gay mafia has more money................


17 posted on 05/14/2012 11:50:21 AM PDT by Red Badger (Think logically. Act normally.................)
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To: Kaslin

The Holy Bond of Matrimony is between a male and a female...there are reasons for this health wise. Like obesity, aberrant sexual behavior has consequences.


18 posted on 05/14/2012 11:50:41 AM PDT by yoe (Proud to be part of the Tea Party movement.....!!!!!)
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To: Doc Savage
Nice try Barry! There isn’t a single black in this country who’ll vote GOP, so it doesn’t matter what the hell this marxist faggot does, he’s black, they’re black.

Guess that means I don't exist.



Where there's a shell, there's a way.

25 years ago, we had Ronald Reagan, Johnny Cash, and Bob Hope.
Today we have Obama, no cash, and no hope!

If you can't appreciate the pure beauty of the violin after hearing this, something's wrong with your ears.

Or you can get raw with these strings.

How about this gamechanger from America's Got Talent (which they SHOULD have won).

Either way, the violin is sweet yet lethal.

Do it!

19 posted on 05/14/2012 11:50:51 AM PDT by rdb3 (If you were tried in court for being a Christian, is there enough evidence to convict you?)
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To: Albion Wilde

Rain?....Pray for an early blizzard!........


20 posted on 05/14/2012 11:51:27 AM PDT by Red Badger (Think logically. Act normally.................)
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To: Doc Savage

Really? Not a single black in this country who’ll vote GOP? Your hyperbole insults the many good conservative blacks there are in the ranks of the GOP - or are you saying they are figments of my imagination?


21 posted on 05/14/2012 11:56:25 AM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: Kaslin

What will kill turnout for Obama is a campaign that implies that anyone who votes for Obama is gay.


22 posted on 05/14/2012 11:56:25 AM PDT by HerrBlucher
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To: SpinnerWebb

I think that must be left a mystery... or it just ain’t sexy. ;>)


23 posted on 05/14/2012 11:57:49 AM PDT by Gator113 (***YOU GAVE it to Obama. I would have voted for NEWT.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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To: yoe

[ The Holy Bond of Matrimony is between a male and a female...there are reasons for this health wise. Like obesity, aberrant sexual behavior has consequences. ]

So do you want the state controling what you put on your fork?

Not sure where you are going here... Please Clarify.


24 posted on 05/14/2012 11:59:06 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: Doc Savage
Nice try Barry! There isn’t a single black in this country who’ll vote GOP, so it doesn’t matter what the hell this marxist faggot does, he’s black, they’re black. End of story! Race riots at 11.

You might want to rethink that statement. I know a lot of people that would contradict your way of thinking.

25 posted on 05/14/2012 12:01:17 PM PDT by mplsconservative (Impeach Obama Now!)
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To: Kaslin

"Hi, now that you're disaffected with Obama's gay marriage stance, how bout registering as Republican?"

26 posted on 05/14/2012 12:03:45 PM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: Kaslin

The only benefit to Obama from his ‘coming out’ in support of same-sex ‘marriage’ was to get more money from gays and gay marriage advocates but they were going to vote for him, anyway. Some black voters may have less enthusiasm to work for Obama’s re-election and it’s likely that some blacks will decide to abstain from voting as a way of benignly opposing Obama’s gay marriage stand but not going so far as to vote for the rich white guy. That could tip the scales toward Romney in some places but not in N.Y. or California where the preponderance of liberals offsets the minority vote. In states that have a tight race - which I don’t foresee - that absence of the black vote might doom Obama. Let’s hope so.


27 posted on 05/14/2012 12:07:47 PM PDT by Jim Scott
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To: Kaslin
Would Trayvon Martin support Gay marriage?????
28 posted on 05/14/2012 12:11:13 PM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Greed + Envy = Liberalism)
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To: Jonty30

Not necessarily. With real Christians, God comes first and foremost. Obama would come only after God and His word.

Of course, that’s not to say that most blacks in churches these days ARE ‘real Christians’. Just look at the ones that attended Rev. Wright’s hate spews.

Look for black pastors to be ‘schooled’ by the Obama administration as to how to spin and promote gay marriage now. Indoctrination. Not just for public schools and colleges any more.


29 posted on 05/14/2012 12:13:28 PM PDT by XenaLee (The only good commie is a dead commie.)
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To: Doc Savage

There isn’t a single black in this country who’ll vote GOP,


Uh, you didn’t think that one out.


30 posted on 05/14/2012 12:13:35 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: rdb3

yes you exist...........and thank you.


31 posted on 05/14/2012 12:16:18 PM PDT by tankrlm
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To: Jim Scott
I'm praying that that will indeed happen, Jim. Good to see you, btw.

"In states that have a tight race - which I don’t foresee - that absence of the black vote might doom Obama."

32 posted on 05/14/2012 12:16:18 PM PDT by XenaLee (The only good commie is a dead commie.)
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To: yoe

Here is a list of what many doctors refer to as “Lavender” diseases. They occur with extraordinary frequency among male homosexuals.

Anal Cancer
Chlamydia trachomatis
Cryptosporidium
Giardia lamblia
Herpes simplex virus
Human immunodeficiency virus
Human papilloma virus
Isospora belli
Microsporidia
Gonorrhea
Viral hepatitis types B & C
Syphilis


33 posted on 05/14/2012 12:16:40 PM PDT by skimask
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To: Doc Savage
There isn’t a single black in this country who’ll vote GOP

To say there are none would be wrong. There are quite a few. Ever heard of Allen West? Judging from your screen name, you must be a listener to Savage's show, and you know there are conservative blacks who call his show.

34 posted on 05/14/2012 12:16:48 PM PDT by eekitsagreek (got no money and you got no car, then you got no woman...and there you are!)
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To: Jonty30

Of course it’s irrelevant to black churches Obama’s stand on homo-marriage. They have enthusiastically supported him in spite of their opposition to abortion.

As someone said down-thread, “Melanin über alles.”


35 posted on 05/14/2012 12:17:45 PM PDT by Chaguito
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To: rdb3
Thank you for the beautiful music by Thao Nguyen Xanh....really need that calming sound after the sad mess Obama has gotten the nation into...he is walking all over the United States...it's pay back for him and he ain't agonna stop until he is forced to...
36 posted on 05/14/2012 12:26:04 PM PDT by yoe (Proud to be part of the Tea Party movement.....!!!!!)
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To: Gator113
......the 98% would still vote for their brudder.

How wrong you are!Obama's support in the African-American Community has plummeted to a new low of 97.99%. However, that is among living African-American voters who only vote once. The absentee ballots, and the dead are still 106% behind dere brudder!

37 posted on 05/14/2012 12:26:23 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (So, Scalia, Alito, Thomas, and Roberts can't figure out if Obama is a Natural Born Citizen?)
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To: GreenLanternCorps
“Ethnic solidarity will ensure a high percentage of the black vote. But they don’t have to vote for him, or put in time organizing and getting out the vote.”

Bingo! It was already going to be tougher to get high turnout the second time around because, now that Obama is President, it's no longer about “making history” by electing him. So, this gay marriage stuff is the last thing Obama needs.

Obama will get 95% of the Black vote, but I predict the Black vote will be notably lighter this time around.

38 posted on 05/14/2012 12:33:33 PM PDT by utahagen
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To: Oberon
Wait a minute... how can a preacher “support” a president’s re-election when churches are 501c-3 organizations legally prohibited from favoring political candidates, at risk of their tax-exempt status?

I believe "the church" cannot endorse a candidate but the pastor as a private citizen can endorse a candidate and make it known just as you or I would make it known who we endorse. I know a guy that's works for a politically active pastors organization that told me one time that "the IRS gives pastors a mile and they take an inch". In other words, there is a lot more they can do but live in fear of the IRS.
39 posted on 05/14/2012 12:35:46 PM PDT by copaliscrossing (Progressives are Socialists)
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To: skimask
Here is a list of what many doctors refer to as “Lavender” diseases. They occur with extraordinary frequency among male homosexuals.

Anal Cancer


You can imagine how I felt at one of our department meetings when the subject came up about changing our software to be able to handle...."Anal Pap smears"!!!

I wonder if my co-workers saw me turn white as a ghost and get a sick look on my face when I heard that.
40 posted on 05/14/2012 12:39:41 PM PDT by copaliscrossing (Progressives are Socialists)
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To: Kaslin

WH getting blowback

41 posted on 05/14/2012 12:40:53 PM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: Jonty30

Black Pastor Tells CNN His Church Won’t Support Obama, ‘Plan To Stay Home’

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/black-pastor-tells-cnn-his-church-wont-support-obama-plan-to-stay-home/


42 posted on 05/14/2012 12:49:00 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Kaslin

What? Is the rate of black america voting for him going do drop to 92%? He shoulda kept it on the down lo’!


43 posted on 05/14/2012 12:50:32 PM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: Doc Savage

“There isn’t a single black in this country who’ll vote GOP,”

I know of at least 2 that will. However, your point is well taken!


44 posted on 05/14/2012 12:52:35 PM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: Kaslin
The churches now wonder whether Obama will back efforts to force churches to perform same-sex marriages, a topic which one religious leader broached with the President during one of the calls:

“Some of the faith communities are going to be afraid that this is an attack against religious liberty,” Mr. Hunter remembered telling the president.

“Absolutely not,” Mr. Obama insisted. “That’s not where we’re going, and that’s not what I want.”

Anyone seen or heard from former Rep. Bart Stupak?

45 posted on 05/14/2012 12:53:01 PM PDT by Obadiah (2008: Hope & Change -- 2012: Fear & Retribution)
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To: copaliscrossing
You can imagine how I felt at one of our department meetings when the subject came up about changing our software to be able to handle...."Anal Pap smears"!!!

I wonder if my co-workers saw me turn white as a ghost and get a sick look on my face when I heard that.


46 posted on 05/14/2012 12:53:01 PM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: BerryDingle

Yes, that’s how I looked!!! lol


47 posted on 05/14/2012 12:54:31 PM PDT by copaliscrossing (Progressives are Socialists)
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To: Gabz

Congressman Allan West must be, so must be Tim Scott, Thomas Sowell, Star Parker, Larry Elder, Walter E. Williams, Ken Blackwell and many more


48 posted on 05/14/2012 1:01:38 PM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Jonty30

You’re missinformed my friend.

10% have stated they WILL NOT vote for him!

Depending on the consentration, that could be significant.


49 posted on 05/14/2012 1:03:14 PM PDT by G Larry (Criminals thrive on the indulgence of society's understanding)
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To: Jonty30

Many fail to recognize the power of the block that stays home.

Which is why I was so hard on the anti-Romney crowd here.


50 posted on 05/14/2012 1:05:45 PM PDT by G Larry (Criminals thrive on the indulgence of society's understanding)
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