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Obama announces his support for same-sex marriage
ABC OTUS News ^ | May 9, 2012 | Rick Klein

Posted on 05/09/2012 11:43:02 AM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

President Obama today announced that he now supports

same-sex marriage, reversing his longstanding opposition amid growing pressure

from the Democratic base and even his own vice president.

In an interview with ABC News’ Robin Roberts, the president

described his thought process as an “evolution” that led him to this place,

based on conversations with his own staff members, openly gay and lesbian

service members, and conversations with his wife and own daughters.

"I have to tell you that over the course of several

years as I have talked to friends and family and neighbors when I think about

members of my own staff who are in incredibly committed monogamous

relationships, same-sex relationships, who are raising kids together, when I

think about those soldiers or airmen or marines or sailors who are out there

fighting on my behalf and yet feel constrained, even now that Don't Ask Don't

Tell is gone, because they are not able to commit themselves in a marriage, at

a certain point I’ve just concluded that for me personally it is important for

me to go ahead and affirm that I think same sex couples should be able to get

married,” Obama told Roberts, in an interview to appear on ABC’s “Good Morning

America” Thursday. Excerpts of the interview will air tonight on ABC’s “World

News with Diane Sawyer.”

(Excerpt) Read more at ...

TOPICS: Breaking News; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bho2012; bhohomosexualagenda; democrats; gayvote; homobama; homosexualagenda; lavendermafia; moralabsolutes; obama; obamatruthfile; reggielove; samesexmarriage
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To: Free ThinkerNY

What do I think of traditional marriage?

Just yesterday...the same day that Barry the Evil made his disgusting wife and I celebrated 14 years of marriage.

Don’t need to say anything more than that.

351 posted on 05/10/2012 7:04:39 AM PDT by hoagy62 ("Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered..."-Thomas Paine. 1776)
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To: littleharbour
It will be a major campaign issue because the Dems and the MSM want it to be. Obama believes it is a winner politically, not only among gays but among young people. Polls clearly show that the younger generation is far more receptive to gay marriage than the rest of the population. Obama needed to do something to increase the flagging support he has been receiving from the young, especially the colleges. He needs a big turnout. And he needs to change the focal point of his campaign away from the economy and jobs, the number one issues for voters.

As long as the Reps make the election a referendum on Obama and his policies, the Reps will win. The GOP would be stupid to make gay marriage or any other social issue a centerpiece of its campaign. The people now know where Obama stands on this issue along with a number of other issues. He is painting himself in a corner that will make him look more and more extreme--out of touch with the American people.

Obama is becoming more radical because he is more desperate. I am sure his internal polls are showing a giant disaster looming. Many Dem candidates don't want to be seen with him and will be distancing themselves from him on the campaign trail. Let's see how many Dem incumbents start supporting gay marriage on the stump.

352 posted on 05/10/2012 7:16:29 AM PDT by kabar
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To: manc

If you put any credence in any of the polls, that is simply not the case, anecdotal stories notwithstanding. Practically every college and most high schools have gay rights groups. Our education system has been indoctrinating the kids from kindergarten on up for decades, e.g., “Heather has two Mommies” TV has made it acceptable and normal.

353 posted on 05/10/2012 7:31:40 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

>> Labor unions — check << etc. etc.

Hey, what about the hardy little band of several dozen FReepers who keep telling us they prefer Øbama to Romney? Don’t they also deserve one of your checks?

354 posted on 05/10/2012 7:31:57 AM PDT by Hawthorn
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To: Leep

>> Obama has thought about gay marriage for a couple years <<

Not entirely correct. He said he was FOR IT way back in 1996, when he was running for the Illinois Senate.

355 posted on 05/10/2012 7:35:53 AM PDT by Hawthorn
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To: Waryone
Unlike what is stated in your quote, the Mass Court did not legalize gay marriage. All their decision did was order the Mass legislature to change the law on the books that prohibited gays from marrying.

Incorrect. The Mass Supremer Court did indeed legalize gay marriage. But "in deference to the legislature" (LOL) they gave them 180 days to change their laws to comply with the Supreme Court decision.

Here's the bottom line from the majority opinion.

In their complaint the plaintiffs request only a declaration that their exclusion and the exclusion of other qualified same-sex couples from access to civil marriage violates Massachusetts law. We declare that barring an individual from the protections, benefits, and obligations of civil marriage solely because that person would marry a person of the same sex violates the Massachusetts Constitution. We vacate the summary judgment for the department. We remand this case to the Superior Court for entry of judgment consistent with this opinion. Entry of judgment shall be stayed for 180 days to permit the Legislature to take such action as it may deem appropriate in light of this opinion."


356 posted on 05/10/2012 7:36:13 AM PDT by Ditto (Nov 2, 2010 -- Partial cleaning accomplished. More trash to remove in 2012)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Only a truly ignorant society could consider reverting back to ancient barbarism “progressive”.

Secession: Somehow I don’t see the limp-wristed urbanites putting up much of a fight this time.

357 posted on 05/10/2012 7:37:53 AM PDT by reflecting
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To: D-fendr
"Sleeper factor may be blacks strongly opposed affecting their turnout a bit. Not sure how all this breaks down in battleground states."

It depresses black church vote to some degree, and it polarizes evangelicals into ABO to some degree. Added up, it eliminates the South from Bobo's electoral map and it opens up the Rust Belt for Mittens. And Bobo literally cannot afford to play defense all fall in WI, MI, PA. Lose just one of those states and he has no path to victory.

358 posted on 05/10/2012 7:40:51 AM PDT by StAnDeliver (=)
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To: DAC21

>> Drudge is in the closet <<

If so, it’s a closet with a see-thru glass door. It has been widely known for years that Drudge prefers boys to girls. No less than Ann Coulter has said so on TV.

(I think the latter event was when a caller to CSPAN asked her why she and Drudge weren’t a number.)

359 posted on 05/10/2012 7:43:20 AM PDT by Hawthorn
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To: Ditto

Trying to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, I see.

360 posted on 05/10/2012 7:53:17 AM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (Anyone who thinks we can sit home, then survive four more years of Obama, is a damned fool.)
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Next the gays will want Christmas sometime in August. Attempting to redefine tradition and a Holy Sacrament will backfire on the gays. (and some of them already realize this).

Gays against gay marriage HERE..............

361 posted on 05/10/2012 7:53:43 AM PDT by NoRedTape
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To: kabar

When he said “full equality for gays and lesbians”, you think he really said “full equality except marriage”. You also think that he did not install homosexual marriage by his actions. OK, I get it. Please, if my posts disturb you, do not read them.

362 posted on 05/10/2012 8:12:26 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: kabar

like I said i ignore the polls and just because schools have a homo groups does not mean all kids support it and like I said before I have 3 kids and they have all said none of their friends support the homo agenda and many think it is disgusting.

The lies what the media put saying more and more support the homo agenda and that the younger people support it is pure lies and only trusted to e the truth by the clueless sheep out there.

I’ve spoken to a lot of my kids pals as we seem to have at least one of them sleeping over every weekend and they have sow nothing but revolt towards homosexuals.

363 posted on 05/10/2012 8:18:25 AM PDT by manc (Marriage is between one man and one woman,It's not a conservative view but a true American view)
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To: kabar

“I am sure his internal polls are showing a giant disaster looming. “

Make no mistake. If and when Obama loses big, the revisionists won’t blame his horrible record...

they will say it was because America is homophobic.

364 posted on 05/10/2012 8:24:58 AM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (Anyone who thinks we can sit home, then survive four more years of Obama, is a damned fool.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Benefits for Nobama - much smaller butt than Michelle, not bitchy, doesn't need to spend millions on vacations, doesn't tell people what they are allowed to eat.

365 posted on 05/10/2012 8:30:13 AM PDT by doug from upland (Just in case, it has been reserved:
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To: Earthdweller

“Yep..I’m absolutely certain that if we elect Romney he will make sure we get conservative judges to keep Gay issues from progressing....*(snort). “

Eaxctly what kind of Justices will Obama appoint, genius? Let me give you a clue...Kagan...Sotomayor...

See tagline.

366 posted on 05/10/2012 8:38:29 AM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (Anyone who thinks we can sit home, then survive four more years of Obama, is a damned fool.)
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To: Earthdweller

We can all see how much you are opposed to Romney. So please enlighten us with your brilliant plan to defeat Obama.

You DO have one, right?

367 posted on 05/10/2012 8:41:48 AM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (Anyone who thinks we can sit home, then survive four more years of Obama, is a damned fool.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

What a bunch of insipid little minded noobs. All they do is sit around coming up with scenerio after scenerio where they push this kind of crap to the media so that they can play out their little plans. All while they NEVER EVER do the jobs they were elected to do.

Obama “evolves” and says it is peachy that 2% of the population that is devoid gets married. Then the media applauds. Ellen says “great” or “brave” or whatever they tell her to. Some room of fools called Reuters or AP or whatever scream that the “whole world” is changed by Obama. The “news cycle” which is not news in the first place is plastered with Obama’s “bravery” and everyone talks about this instead of the real problems. Problems that Obama and his people could never solve in the first place. Even if they spent as much time on trying as they do on total crap like this “gay marraige” issue.

The reality is that we need to ctrl-alt-delete the United States of America. Reboot it by throwing everyone out of office and replacing them with iPads or a bottle of Corona beer that would do a better job.

I’m so sick of this absurd and stupid theatre that plays out every day. Gay marriage is just todays bong hit provided by Obama and the media. No thanks...

368 posted on 05/10/2012 8:43:50 AM PDT by isthisnickcool (Sharia? No thanks!)
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To: kabar

This is a better link, there is a link in the article that takes you to Romney’s letter.

369 posted on 05/10/2012 8:46:44 AM PDT by DBrow
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370 posted on 05/10/2012 9:08:54 AM PDT by RedMDer (
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To: DBrow
We have a clear choice in November re gay marriage: Obama who supports it and Romney who is against it.

As far as "full equality" is concerned, here is Romney' s stance as of yesterday, not 1994: Romney was asked Wednesday morning about the failure of a ballot measure that would have allowed same-sex civil unions in Colorado. In an interview with Denver-based KDVR-TV, he said, "I indicated my view, which is I do not favor marriage between people of the same gender, and I do not favor civil unions if they are identical to marriage other than by name," Romney said. "My view is the domestic-partnership benefits, hospital visitation rights, and the like are appropriate but that the others are not."

Due to your obsessive hatred of Romney, you are trying to create an issue where none exists.

371 posted on 05/10/2012 9:31:36 AM PDT by kabar
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To: manc

We will just agree to disagree.

372 posted on 05/10/2012 9:32:37 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

I like Mitt, I’ve met him several times and I’m impressed by his warmth. People say he’s stiff but in person, he looks right at you and listens.

It’s important to look at what he’s actually done, rather than what he says, so I took the time to look into this and other issues to see what his past actions were.

373 posted on 05/10/2012 9:43:55 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: DBrow

LOL. You have a definite agenda. The Left is now going back to Romney’s high school days and you are digging up stuff from almost 20 years ago. I pay attention to what Romney is saying now just like I do Obama when he says he supports gay marriage.

374 posted on 05/10/2012 9:52:53 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

Obama said he supported gay marriage when he was running for the state senate in Illinois, so it’s no surprise that he has this epiphany now that he thinks he’ll get votes for it. A person’s past positions can have relevance today.

Agenda? Don’t get me started on Romney, Catholic hospitals, and the Plan B pill, then! lol

I don’t think I have an agenda. We really have no choice this election, but we should know what we are getting when we vote for Romney so we can try to keep him on the conservative side as much as we can.

375 posted on 05/10/2012 10:08:44 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: DBrow

Save your sophistry for someone else. Romney has never been a supporter of gay marriage.

376 posted on 05/10/2012 10:23:08 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Remember when everyone gave GW Bush crap for listening and agreeing with VP Cheney on a variety of topics, and for not being “his own man” because he supposedly listened to Cheney too much?

Well, now the same thing happened with Obama and VP Biden (Obama made decisions based on comments that Biden made on gay marriage) and no one is saying that he’s not “his own man”, like they said about Bush.


377 posted on 05/10/2012 10:23:13 AM PDT by SilvieWaldorfMD
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To: Ditto

The statement you highlighted shows that the Court did two things, one orders the case back down to a lower court and two, allows the Legislature 180 days to act. The statement provides no reference to the governor nor requires him to act at all.

Now Ditto, since I see you may have “read” the law as I have, show where in the Supreme Court statement they ordered governor Romney to do anything. Let me know when you find it because I looked and I could not find a single reference. Romney acted on his own. He was not required by the court to order the Justices or the clerks to change a thing.

Perhaps this might have caused a crisis between the legislature and the court. But anyone who truly wanted to protect marriage would not have on his own threatened the Justices and clerks with firing as Romney did if they refused to marry gays.

Romney is the reason the gays succeeded in Massachusetts. He refused to support a marriage amendment stating it was “too extreme” when they first asked him for help supporting it. Then once the court had made it’s decision and the the damage was done, he changes his mind and supports the amendment knowing full well the legislature has no intent of doing anything for or against. Then just as time for the legislature to act has expired, he uses the convenient excuse of “I have to do something because no one else is doing anything,” in order to help the gays.

That is not the act of principled person. Unless you believe his keeping his promise to do more for gays than Ted Kennedy, is a principled act.

379 posted on 05/10/2012 11:18:32 AM PDT by Waryone
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To: kabar

I disagree. That was the exact opposite of what happened in the campaign in Canada, where the Conservatives said they would hold a vote to repeal the ban but soft-pedalled the issue and were very defensive in their comments instead of attacking their opponents for trying to destroy traditional marriage. The reason they soft pedalled was because of a small, but influential homosexual group within the Party which they did not want to offend. The end result was that the Conservatives tossed away a wedge issue that could have pried many socially conservative voters away from their traditional home in the LIberal Party members. Ronald Reagan showed how to win the Irish-Polish-Italian Catholics who traditionally vote for the Dems in states such as Pennsylvannia, to the extent that they became known as “Reagan Democrats”. You won’t win converts by soft pedalling this issue and letting the Dems have a free run in the rhetorical wars. If the Republicans want this issue to be a winner, they have to make traditional marriage a key part of their platform.

380 posted on 05/10/2012 11:53:22 AM PDT by littleharbour
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To: littleharbour
No one is talking about soft-peddling the issue. It just shouldn't be the centerpiece of the campaign, which should be a referendum on Obama and his poliices.

I am sure the SuperPacs will be hitting this issue hard as will other interest groups. We have an economy in the tank, high unemployment, a $15.7 trillion debt and $1 trillion plus budget deficits for the last three years (soon to be four), Obamacare, a downgrade of credit rating, a backdoor amnesty, an out of control EPA that is shutting down our economy thru regulations, and a host of other issues.

Obama wants us to focus on gay marriage and what ever else he tosses out there to distract us. He wants to set the agenda about what this election is going to be about. We must make sure it is about Obama and his policies. Of course, gay marriage will be part of this campaign. We just disagree as to how central it will be. We will just agree to disagree.

381 posted on 05/10/2012 12:15:52 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Hawthorn

>> Obama has thought about gay marriage for a couple years <<

Not entirely correct. He said he was FOR IT way back in 1996, when he was running for the Illinois Senate.

True..its hard to keep up with the human lie machine that is B.O. However, I was going by his latest statement.

382 posted on 05/10/2012 1:32:32 PM PDT by Leep (Enemy of the Statist)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Obama does support GBLT, GLBT in writing for the US Department of State. Do a FOIA Request to see what comes out every June (Gay Pride Month), which is another celebrated Federal Holiday like Asian Pacific Islander, Black, Women's, etc. Months. SecState Hillary R. Clinton has signed edits, letters, memos and put Gay Issues into writing. Did you know that your gay partner is entitled to same housing allowances, educational allowances, spouse employee preferences, and protections against alleged slights by using EEO and Inspector General to file complaints - Gays are already receiving Federally mandated funding via the US Department of State. Where is the MSM to investigate these facts. Having been a member of the Foreign Service, June is Gay Appreciation Month, and all gays receive the same benefits as normal family members/spouses. Period. Obama does support this issue in writing - go the US Department of State and do the Freedom of Information Request or goggle it online.
383 posted on 05/11/2012 4:38:01 AM PDT by Jumper
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Some here should stop slaming Romney about that as it is Obama , current POTUS shamefully who declared his gay support !

May be Obamination made that statement for political reasons
and also, and firstable ,because he is a liberal puppet promoting an agenda of destruction of our western values and civilisation....Anyway it could backclash against ObHamas if republicans and conservative are smart enough to use that properly .

Watched CNN yesterday night from France . They were in full propaganda mode for gay mariage . Those liberal activists are not putting gloves anymore and don’t even try to look fair and balanced . They are trying to portray opponents to gay mariage as retards and bigots as usual....

384 posted on 05/11/2012 4:51:09 AM PDT by Ulysse
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Why is this even an issue? Fudgepacking is abnormal behavior, not a civil right!

385 posted on 05/11/2012 6:27:19 AM PDT by UglyinLA
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To: wolfcreek

Van Jones is FOS in many ways. All of his ways are FOS actually.

386 posted on 05/11/2012 3:37:13 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: little jeremiah

hear, hear..

387 posted on 05/11/2012 5:42:03 PM PDT by wolfcreek (‘closed eye’ mentality is the reason for our current reality)
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