We are SO screwed this election cycle.
Unless romney gets run out of the convention and we nominate someone else, which would be justice...
So, you want somebody to go out there and SUPPRESS our human rights as delivered to us over the deaths of tens of millions of Europeans back in the 1600s?
Are you serious?
I guess when bishop Romney becomes a god, and creates his own planet and human beings to inhabit it, it will be full of bath houses and steam rooms and little boys will only be allowed to wear chaps until the age of 13. I never knew magic underwear came in code pink.
You mean like this guy right here? What a worthless POS post this is, you should be ashamed of yourself AnTiw1 and yeah, FR has gone way, waaaaaay, waaaaaaaaay down the hill...
“I am really tired of hearing the hatred spewed concerning other beliefs if different than some of these bigots.”
You mean like the bigots that inform people that the republican presidential candidate sees the white house as a stepping stone to godhood?
While you're at it...give us some examples of this bigotry.
So I guess...from your point of view, all religions are equal in your eyes. Muslims, Christians, Hindu's, Satanists, J.W.'s, Buddists, Mormons, etc...etc........all the same!!
If you aren’t a Christian, that’s your business. But stop with the screeches of “bigotry” at anyone who doesn’t fall down and compliment a religion that denies Christianity and the Bible. You’re not going to shut anyone up. Get it?
I haven’t seen religious “bigotry”. I’ve seen people post threads with “facts” about Mormonism, if to that, is what you refer.
Myself, I don’t really care too much anymore for the religious “debates” here; I’m not Mormon, I’m Catholic. I could, if I wished, make a case for “bigotry” against my faith too, based on the same phenomena that seems to be occurring against Mormonism. (that there are “facts” posted that pro port to demonstrate Catholicism is false).
The “problem” with fighting against such posts, for both the anti-Catholic and anti-Mormon posts, is a) They are usually posted by the same people and thus rehashing the same points over and over again and b) It truly doesn’t do anything to fight the same people over and over again on a personal level.
That is, I’m never going to convince the same people who are anti-Catholic that they are wrong about their assertions. Thus, I’ve dropped such attempts (for the most part) for the simple reason of not wishing to focus on religion and taking away any hope of political unity. Besides, as I pointed out, it’s really the same people fueling the ongoing criticism of Catholicism here, so on a personal (if not religious level) there are certainly better ways to demonstrate their error than trading posts on a message board.
The same applies to the anti-Mormons. I don’t know why my Mormon FRiends (who seem to have given up and left, or been banned) didn’t get that. A Mormon here can either continue bashing their head against the wall, claiming “bigotry”, accomplishing nothing in the process, or now (given the truce) move forward and post positive things about Romney if they wish. The anti-Mormonism here isn’t going to change (same with the anti-Catholicism). I’ve realized that; I encourage any Mormon who feels “persecuted” to realize the same and move forward.
In the matter of JR calling a truce and giving grudging support to Romney, I believe that he is right. I can’t stand Romney, but he considers himself a Republican and if we can keep a Republican held House and displace enough senators to get a Republican Senstae then we might also have a Republican POTUS to bless any GOP passed legislation.
As for various religions being unwelcome, I can certainly condemn Islam as a hate sect. As for the others, none of them seem to want me and any non-believers in their faith dead.
My wife is Buddhist; a few weeks back I went to the Easter Services at the Buddhist Temple with her. Surprised? I’m not a Buddhist, but I have come to respect the Buddhists quite a bit.
Six years ago, a local Catholic church burned down and their congregation had no place to worship. They asked most of the other churches in the area if they could use their churches for a two hours each Sunday to keep their flock together and conduct services while they raised money to rebuild their church. Every one of the other churches and synagogs in the area turned them down. The Buddhists weren’t even asked, but offered their temple for Sunday mornings for over a year while a new church was built. The Buddhists shifted their own services to the afternoons.
Beliefs belong in church, conservatives belong on FreeRepublic; and here the Twains shall meet.
"It takes your enemy and your friend, working together, to hurt you to the heart: the one to slander you and and the other to get the news to you." -- Mark Twain
We are SO screwed this election cycle.
Unless romney gets run out of the convention and we nominate someone else, which would be justice...
I only see people’s comments about religion when I actually click on and view articles discussion religion. Otherwise I don’t. If I don’t want to see them I don’t.
If somebody’s trying to hijack a thread that is non religious and change the subject, if you’re so moved, call them on it. Maybe others on the thread will agree too.
“How about a truce involving the religious bigots that inhabit this site.”
Personally, I’d rather see a truce on the cat-picture threads before the Catholic Jesus vs. Protestant Jesus smack-down threads.
It would have been much less awkward to not ban people for expressing political opinions that weren’t “Newt” but I guess that’s water under the bridge.
Yeah, so let’s just ban cat pictures, and move on with conservative political debate, or at least advocate “Who’s the least Marxist” as a political movement this cycle.
Many on this site adamantly opposing and refusing to vote for Romney are clearly under the grip of ODS - OBAMA DERANGEMENT SYNDROME, the need to shout: “I AM A PURE CONSERVATIVE. HEAR ME ROAR!!”
These folks are enjoying their outrage so much they’ve become blinded to common sense and refuse to accept:
A. that this is a pluralistic society set up to tolerate and protect all religions.
B. that voting for President is not the same as selecting a pastor for your church.
C. that the President’s power to impose a minority religious view on the entire nation is less than zero
D. that staying home and not voting for the GOP Prez candidate is akin to biting off your nose to spite your face
E. that Sarah Palin will eventually support Romney because she’s a smart, smart, smart politician unaffected by ODS
What bigots? What religion?
If you are Moslem then you have a personal problem.
You and me both. And I am astounded anyone would call JR a RINO. It was ignorant at best. Because I am a lady, I won’t say what it is at its worst.
5 posted on Sun May 06 2012 10:40:00 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time) by Seizethecarp: “Persons who believe that their religious beliefs are superior and who denounce others for their ABO view appear to be a tiny minority.”
38 posted on Sun May 06 2012 11:30:27 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time) by eastforker: My suggestion would be a policy of no bashing of any religion or lack there of. Attacking some ones faith is the same as a personal attack IMHO.”
I didn't notice this thread until late Monday night. I've waited overnight before responding, but I believe something simply **MUST** be said.
How did we go from
1) debating whether to tolerate those who want to vote for Mitt Romney as the lesser of two evils to
2) debating getting rid of alleged religious bigots?
All I see in Jim Robinson's truce is that he's decided to allow people to publicly say that “Anybody but Obama” is okay and that voting for Mitt Romney is the lesser of two evils.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Jim Robinson still thinks Romney is evil — just a lesser evil. Fair enough.
However, what some people are saying here is that we should stop criticizing Romney or even discussing religious issues. That goes **WAY** beyond anything Jim Robinson has said.
I believe the underlying issue for many of us is, as Graewoulf has said, that there's more than one type of “conservative.” Social issues conservatives are not always trying to “conserve” the same things as economic conservatives. Also, with regard to this specific thread, Eastforker admits in post 719 that he is an atheist, just not a “radical” one.
Here's what Jim Robinson has said: “As a conservative site, Free Republic is pro-God, pro-life, pro-family, pro-Constitution, pro-Bill of Rights, pro-gun, pro-limited government, pro-private property rights, pro-limited taxes, pro-capitalism, pro-national defense, pro-freedom, and-pro America.”
Being “pro-God” isn't the only thing on that list defining conservative, but it **IS** the first thing on the list.
Maybe that should tell us something?
More recently, post 1108, Jim Robinson wrote this: “When I first started FR, we immediately came under attack by atheists, trolls and malcontents, who in many cases attacked us on our religious beliefs, so when I established the first set of rules for forum conduct, I included ‘No religious bigotry.’ Didn’t realize at the time that I would’ve had to qualify that as ‘no anti-Christian bigotry’ but that’s the way it is. I am definitely biased toward God and Christianity. Obviously, I also support Israel, the Jewish people and the Jewish Nation.”
Free Republic is not an atheist site. Sounds to me like Christians and Jews are not the ones who need to be careful what they say around here.
I firmly believe that Mitt Romney belongs to a cult. Both traditional Roman Catholics and evangelical Protestants have to be committed to that same conclusion if they're faithful to their doctrinal statements. In other words, please don't ask me to compromise my beliefs about Romney's religion — Romney won't compromise his beliefs about mine, though he seems willing to compromise lots of other things to get elected.
Does that make me an anti-Mormon bigot? Not by any reasonable definition. I'm willing to vote for a conservative pro-life, pro-family, anti-abortion, anti-homosexual-marriage Mormon under certain circumstances, but there's no way I'm going to act as if Mormons are part of traditional Christianity. They aren't, and the Mormons themselves believe that the “sects” that constitute the rest of the professing Christian world are corrupt and that Mormonism alone has “restored” the truth of Christianity.
In dealing with Orthodox Judaism, I have the highest possible level of respect for my Jewish brothers and sisters and for the nation of Israel, but it would be simple blindness to deny fundamental differences. Israel is our ally and Jewish people deserve the apologies of the Christian world for our horrible and unbiblical history of persecuting Jews, but we cannot minimize the question of whether Jesus is the Messiah. That is the heart of the difference between Christianity and Judaism.
That difference is a thousand times more crucial for wicked religions such as Islam which actively seek to kill and destroy faithful Christians and Jews. I can work with Mormons who, when all is said and done, belong to a religion whose founders had good things to say about the United States Constitution, or with Jewish people whose ancestors valued the United States as a bastion of religious freedom far greater than what they found in Britain or almost all nations of Europe. Islam, by contrast, is inimical to the most basic principles of Western values, in both Judeo-Christian and secular liberal forms.
I'm perfectly willing to cooperate in the political realm with conservatives of any faith or no faith, but the fact remains that all religions are not equal. To admit that is not bigotry, but to deny that is blindness.
Being allied is not the same as being in agreement.