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1 posted on 05/02/2012 5:07:18 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: KeyLargo

By this same logic, liberalism is theft.


2 posted on 05/02/2012 5:08:46 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network ("anti-American dog-eating freak" so how is it even possible, you don't wonder "who?")
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college teachers who can’t add


3 posted on 05/02/2012 5:12:21 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: KeyLargo

“...as Mr. Horn claims. Mr. Corn laments...”

Is it Horn or Corn? I must need more coffee or something.


4 posted on 05/02/2012 5:14:02 AM PDT by Carriage Hill (((.)))
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To: KeyLargo

Stop blaming the teacher and start blaming the system.The guy went into the profession knowing what the future outcome would be as far as present pension payments would be . Why is he getting hammered for making a career decision that was a hell of a lot better than 90% of the people in the state. He planed his retirement on that future payout and should be entitled to every penny of it.Arguments that are negative about public pension payouts are the same as the 99% wackos complaining about banks and corporation profits.In life you make decisions. It seems that this guys decision on career was better than the complainers.


5 posted on 05/02/2012 5:17:52 AM PDT by Renegade
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The rest of us have to work 40 or 45 year careers in order to get our pension (Social Security) at age 62 or 67 respectively

Bill, please tell me you have not worked that long and are only planning on Social Security for you retirement income.

6 posted on 05/02/2012 5:18:42 AM PDT by Michael.SF. (When you hear hooves, think horses, not zebras.)
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To: KeyLargo

Mr. Corn (or possibly Horn) is quite correct. He entered into a good faith contract which is now being backed out of. He is entirely logical to consider this theft.

However.

He presumably supported a decades-old scam under which politicians were elected to office essentially by pandering to the teachers’ and other unions, then paid for their election by agreeing to unsustainable pension plans and other benefits.

Pension plans were always a popular payoff because they could be kicked down the road a decade or two. The pols would be out of office by then, so they wouldn’t have to take the heat when their promises turned out to be impossible to meet.

In the final analysis, it’s the fault of We the People. The vast majority of us, including myself, were unwilling to get down in the mud to do the dirty work of ensuring fiscal sanity.

This is a classic example of regulatory capture. When a small group with intense interest in a particular issue is pitted against a far larger group with diffused (in reality no) interest in an issue, the small group will tend to get its own way 90% of the time.

Elections to school boards and municipal/state offices are of little interest to most people. Why should they be? So who gets elected tends to be those who pander most successfully to those who do care, public employees. These pols then wind up negotiating essentially with those who hired them as to how to spend someone else’s money.

The main issue is that when something is unsustainable, it will not be sustained.


7 posted on 05/02/2012 5:26:31 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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Actually, he is largely correct. He had a contract with the state. The state agreed to pay X each year while he worked, and then Y each year after he left. No one forced the state to make that contract, and the people elected the politicians who approved it.

If the state wants to renegotiate based on inability to pay, let the state go bankrupt and renegotiate ALL of its debt.


11 posted on 05/02/2012 5:48:53 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (A conservative can't please a liberal unless he jumps in front of a bus or off of a cliff)
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To: KeyLargo

Was it theft when OJ re-stole his trophies?


12 posted on 05/02/2012 5:51:50 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: KeyLargo
While I certainly don't think his pension was 'earned', he entered into a contract with his employer, and his employer entered into a contract with him. If he did the work and put in the time that was specified in that contract, then his employer owes him the pension that was specified in that contract.
Taking that from him is, indeed, theft.

Going forward though, new hires need to be given much more believable benefits.

20 posted on 05/02/2012 6:04:14 AM PDT by Washi (Surviving the Zombie Apocalypse, one head-shot at a time.)
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To: KeyLargo

If this thieving commmunist indoctrinator thinks this is bad, just wait till his socialist utopia goes broke.


21 posted on 05/02/2012 6:07:28 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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I don't see any info of how much he made (so how much his 8% was), how much more the state added to it and what the rate of return was. For quite a while state employees were exempt from Social Security if they had their own retirement plan. When I was a student employee at a state university I didn't have to pay SS even though I declined participation in the retirement plan because the plan was available to me. If all of the money which would have otherwise gone into SS for 30 years went into his own pension he might have enough to pay for a $152,000 per year annuity.

The comparison to how much Social Security would pay is a weak on because everyone knows that SS is a bad "investment" which is really just an income transfer scheme. Even if counted as an investment, the rate of return on a person who pays and therefore collects the maximum amount skews the results because SS participants at the top end are screwed by the disproportionality of SS payments. A person who earns and pays 50% of the cap gets 75% of the maximum benefits received by someone who earned and pay at the cap for an entire career.

27 posted on 05/02/2012 6:34:33 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (You only have three billion heartbeats in a lifetime.How many does the government claim as its own?)
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The "theft" was committed by politicians who are likely no longer on the scene - buying votes with a promise to pay that was always unsustainable. If an insurance salesman peddling annuities had made Mr. Corn a similar offer, he likely would looked upon it with skepticism. But because it came from government - "the good guys", in his world view - he feels anybody pointing out the economic invalidity of the promise is a thief, rather than the snake-oil salesman with a (D) after his name who peddled it to him in the first place.

Regardless, Mr. Corn can only be paid what he was promised in highly inflated dollars. That is mathematical certainty.

30 posted on 05/02/2012 6:40:56 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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Guess What, Professor Corn...

We have met the 1%...and he is YOU!


33 posted on 05/02/2012 6:45:14 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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Dumb op-ed. While $152K is awfully high, the whole 40-45 years thing is a canard. College professors generally have a PhD requiring 8-10 years of post high school study. Most don’t get the position much before the age of 32. The youngest where I’ve worked for 32 years was 28 when hired.

Most were in the 33-40 years of age range before being hired for a tenure track position with benefits.

My University requires me to pay into my pension plan (private) and they match a portion of what I pay. When I retire, the whole thing is mine, to spend as I please.

If the state government stepped in and took that away, I would consider armed revolution as a good option.


38 posted on 05/02/2012 7:46:37 AM PDT by Poser (Cogito ergo Spam - I think, therefore I ham)
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To: KeyLargo

Mr. Corn laments that he paid 8% for his pension and for that unholy contribution he feels he has earned.

In California teachers don’t pay into social security and I think twenty other states have the same rule.

Fair share anyone?.


48 posted on 05/02/2012 8:54:36 AM PDT by Vaduz
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