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To: Greysard; tbw2

>>Indeed, under Socialism (1917-1991) men and women were as free in all these aspects as anyone in the West<<

First off, the poster said communism.
Second, if you are a Christian, NONE of those rights are given to you under Communism. Name go in book and you’re shuffled to the factory, given the smallest apartment and good luck finding the clothes to buy with your small salary.

Have you known a Christian living under Communism?


26 posted on 05/01/2012 10:58:16 AM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Breitbart)
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To: netmilsmom; tbw2
First off, the poster said communism.

The poster was technically mistaken (communism is a shorthand for several "advanced" sorts of socialism.) True communism, as defined by Marx and others, is an elusive beast; it's nearly unattainable. USSR almost never had communism. The "almost" refers to 1918-1921, years of Civil War. At that time principles of communism were implemented just because doing anything else was impossible - no money, no banks, no documents. Officially USSR was a Socialist society (the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.) Perhaps North Korea today can claim that they built the first sustained communist society (on bones of builders of that society.)

Name go[d?] in book and you’re shuffled to the factory, given the smallest apartment and good luck finding the clothes to buy with your small salary.

You wouldn't need to invoke God's name or anything else - it was totally irrelevant to the rulers of USSR. Church was tolerated since 1943 (Stalin needed its help in war) - but it was also irrelevant. It did not threaten the rule of the party. This means that *everyone* was working some junk job, living in a hovel and wearing clothes that a rancher would be ashamed to wear while cleaning a barn. Everyone was equally poor (and that's why USSR had to have complete isolation from the West. Same happens today with NK.)

Have you known a Christian living under Communism?

Assuming the Soviet society, whatever label we may affix to it - yes, I knew a few. The government completely ignored their religious beliefs. Members of the Communist Party were all atheists (supposedly) but they learned that fighting religion just isn't worth it. The Church also learned the lay of the land and was careful to not cross paths with Caesar's interests. The KGB was monitoring Church's activities, but not many priests got in trouble this way; the punishment for criticizing the regime was accompanied by a reward for cooperation - by the permission to preach. What is more important? That's a good question.

35 posted on 05/01/2012 5:39:13 PM PDT by Greysard
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