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Chechen women in mortal fear as president backs Islamic honor killings
The Washington Times ^ | April 29, 2012 | Diana Markosian

Posted on 04/30/2012 8:01:09 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

ACHXOY-MARTAN, Chechnya — Chechnya's government is openly approving of families that kill female relatives who violate their sense of honor, as this Russian republic embraces a fundamentalist interpretation of Islam after decades of religious suppression under Soviet rule.

In the past five years, the bodies of dozens of young Chechen women have been found dumped in woods, abandoned in alleys and left along roads in the capital, Grozny, and neighboring villages.

Chechen President Ramzan Kadyrov publicly announced that the dead women had “loose morals” and were rightfully shot by male relatives. He went on to describe women as the property of their husbands, and said their main role is to bear children.

“If a woman runs around and if a man runs around with her, both of them should be killed,” said Mr. Kadyrov, who often has stated his goal of making Chechnya “more Islamic than the Islamists.”

In today’s Chechnya, alcohol is all but banned, Islamic dress codes are enforced and polygamous marriages are supported by the government.

Some observers say Mr. Kadyrov’s attempt to impose Islamic law violates the Russian Constitution, which guarantees equal rights for women and a separation of church and state.

“We are a traditional, conservative society, but the government has gone overboard,” said Lipkhan Bazaeva, head of the Women's Dignity Center, a nongovernmental organization promoting women’s rights in Grozny. “They are declaring unacceptable limits on women — as an individual, she has no rights even if her husband beats her, despite Russian laws.”

Though observers agree that honor killings are on the rise in Chechnya, the issue remains largely taboo among locals — making official statistics hard to come by.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: burnsharia; chechnya; crushislam; europe; honorkillings; islam; islamicviolence; islamists; islamofascism; killislam; koranimals; misogyny; moralabsolutes; muslims; russia; savages; sharia; shariah; sharialaw; womensrights
Miserable Islamic savages...
1 posted on 04/30/2012 8:01:20 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Tolerance Sucks Rocks.


2 posted on 04/30/2012 8:04:20 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FReepathon 2Q time -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
In today’s Chechnya, alcohol is all but banned, Islamic dress codes are enforced

Can't drink, can't s---w, can't even lust...may as well blow yourself up.

3 posted on 04/30/2012 8:08:57 PM PDT by lightman (Adjutorium nostrum (+) in nomine Domini--nevertheless, Vote Santorum!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Isn't progressive Muslim congressman Keith Ellison from Wisconsin an advocate of Sharia Law?


4 posted on 04/30/2012 8:10:49 PM PDT by Baynative (Please check this out - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFIcZkEzc8I)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Thanks Bill Clinton.

Your fake war made things all better.


5 posted on 04/30/2012 8:11:53 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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Wisconsin ... Minnesota
6 posted on 04/30/2012 8:12:11 PM PDT by Baynative (Please check this out - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFIcZkEzc8I)
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To: lightman

Not a problem for the koranimals. They just wait until some young girl is raped and then they get to gang rape her as punishment for “seducing” the original rapist. The Rooskies are better off without Chechnya, IMO.


7 posted on 04/30/2012 8:15:17 PM PDT by Trod Upon (Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
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To: Trod Upon

They just need to crack down on them...weed out the bad ones.


8 posted on 04/30/2012 8:19:47 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Isn’t there an International Orginization of Women the poor souls could turn to? Maybe they could start by getting word to NOW. Maybe they could apply public awareness like they do when a Republican runs astray......


9 posted on 04/30/2012 8:24:01 PM PDT by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: Baynative

Ellison is a muslim, and therefor, by extension, an islamist. This country should be at war with islamism. It is Treason by the Constitution. But the current administration is islamist, or in bed with them. And frankly, I don’t know how we’re ever going to clear out this rank infestation.


10 posted on 04/30/2012 8:28:46 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: umgud; Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I guess the NAGs, Obama, Ms Fluke, the Dems and the multi-cults have not heard of THIS “War on Women”, cause if they had they’d have taken to the streets and be protesting in front of all the mosques.


11 posted on 04/30/2012 8:40:40 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Muslim women need to wake up. And yes, one thing about those Commies, they were pretty liberated when it came to women’s rights. Maybe not de facto, but de jure.


12 posted on 04/30/2012 8:42:51 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: fieldmarshaldj; Impy; GOPsterinMA; randita; JulieRNR21; metmom; wintertime; Cindy; ...

American Feminists say that Republicans in the U.S. are waging a war on women. The real war on women is being waged by radical Muzzies, but where are the American feminists on this?


13 posted on 04/30/2012 9:07:10 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (A liberal's compassion is limited to the size of other peoples' paychecks)
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To: jocon307

God help us if we say these women were better off under Communism. Right to work, education, choice of marriage, dress ... and men and women were EQUALLY oppressed.


14 posted on 04/30/2012 9:26:28 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: tbw2
God help us if we say these women were better off under Communism. Right to work, education, choice of marriage, dress ...

Indeed, under Socialism (1917-1991) men and women were as free in all these aspects as anyone in the West. Freerer, actually, because free education allowed more freedom. Some backward republics (the same culprits as in this story) were more strict in the choice of marriage - but one simple solution was to move somewhere else and marry there. The only obvious restrictions on dress were in school and in the army.

and men and women were EQUALLY oppressed.

Yes and no. It was a trade. Soviet people gave up certain freedoms (such as free travel and free speech) but in return they got pretty good security and high stability of the society (until it ran out of steam in 1980's.)

There is still strong support for Communists in Russia. Why, you might ask? Because the trade was good for most people. The majority of workers do not want to travel (they can't get visas, they don't have money, they don't speak foreign languages.) Most people don't need political speech because they have nothing to say. Most people *are* sheep - they are looking for simple pleasures like a guaranteed job, a guaranteed medical service, a guaranteed place to live at, and the governmental support of large families. If all you want is to raise a family, socialism is perfect for that.

The very same problem is obvious in the USA. Majority of population does not march on Washington upon hearing of yet another horrifying story about TSA. Majority of voters are sitting in front of their TVs and drinking beer. They don't care about those freedoms that people on political forums are all agog about. They only want to live in a simple way, with all the "hard jobs" of making decisions done by someone else. Socialism in fact is an excellent destination for them - one large prison where every prisoner is guaranteed three square meals per day. Can you say that sheep in a herd are oppressed? Certainly not; they are far better off there than on their own in a forest.

This is why Obama is so successful: large numbers of voters *want* socialism - especially before it ran out of other people's money. Endless borrowing is the fuel for that

15 posted on 04/30/2012 10:53:06 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks; StarFan; Dutchy; alisasny; BobFromNJ; BUNNY2003; Cacique; Clemenza; ...

Wow. Thanks, Tolerance Sucks Rocks...


16 posted on 04/30/2012 10:58:36 PM PDT by nutmeg (Rest in Peace, and THANK YOU, Andrew Breitbart)
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To: Clintonfatigued
The real war on women is being waged by radical Muzzies,

There are n "radical" Moslems. There are Moslems and there is a continuum of nonobservant Moslems to apostates. Some of the less observant Moslems get antsy about their souls at some point in lives and begin to Observe. They then don't all strap on explosive clothing but they approve of and support those who do. Many of the less observant wish they had the strength of character to be real Moslems and do their part to rid the world of Infidels. Very few nominal Moslems, the men anyway, actually oppose beheading or otherwise killing infidels and subjecting the entire world to Islam. The Islamic War has been ongoing since the 600s and will end when everyone on earth is Moslem or when no one is.

17 posted on 05/01/2012 2:26:12 AM PDT by arthurus
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Honor has nothing to do with that, even in their weird sence of honor.

Chechens just like to kill people. They understand this desire is somehow pervert to other people so they are looking to justify it somehow.

‘Fallen women’ are perfect victim. They aren’t to fight back.

There are a Chechen modification of a Russian fairy tale about Gold Fish making every wish come true for a fisher releasing it back to ocean.

A Chechen catched a Gold Fish and it said please let me go and I’ll do what you want. Chechen is pulling a knife and says I want you to die slow and painful death! Honor has nothing to do with that, even in their weird sence of honor.

Chechens just like to kill people. They understand this desire is somehow pervert to other people so they are looking to justify it somehow.


18 posted on 05/01/2012 4:20:42 AM PDT by cunning_fish
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To: Baynative

Ellison is not from Wisconsin. We have our own anti-American congresscritter- Tammy Baldwin. She’s not a Muslim, but she’s as far left as you can be without falling off the left side of the planet. Two guesses where she’s from.


19 posted on 05/01/2012 4:47:27 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: lightman
Can't drink, can't s---w, can't even lust...may as well blow yourself up.

You might be half joking, but I believe you have a profound and deep understanding of this religion ...

20 posted on 05/01/2012 5:48:39 AM PDT by GOPJ (Had a Christian minister yelled at a bunch of gay students - the New York Times would have covered i)
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To: Clintonfatigued

My Cousin’s wife (spit—spit) believes Southern Baptists are just as bad as muzzies. She listens to npr all day at the office.


21 posted on 05/01/2012 7:01:57 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: GOPJ

Not even quite half joking...those who have little for which to live may have much for which to die.


22 posted on 05/01/2012 9:26:46 AM PDT by lightman (Adjutorium nostrum (+) in nomine Domini--nevertheless, Vote Santorum!)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Unless your cousin is a lib too, I better life is fun at his place.


23 posted on 05/01/2012 10:14:03 AM PDT by LevinFan
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Waiting for NOW for their statement on this outrage! And waiting...and waiting...and waiting....and...


24 posted on 05/01/2012 10:14:27 AM PDT by woweeitsme
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Chechen President Ramzan Kadyrov publicly announced that the dead women had “loose morals” and were rightfully shot by male relatives. He went on to describe women as the property of their husbands, and said their main role is to bear children.


25 posted on 05/01/2012 10:54:05 AM PDT by Gritty (A society that becomes more Muslim eventually becomes less everything else - Mark Steyn)
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To: Greysard; tbw2

>>Indeed, under Socialism (1917-1991) men and women were as free in all these aspects as anyone in the West<<

First off, the poster said communism.
Second, if you are a Christian, NONE of those rights are given to you under Communism. Name go in book and you’re shuffled to the factory, given the smallest apartment and good luck finding the clothes to buy with your small salary.

Have you known a Christian living under Communism?


26 posted on 05/01/2012 10:58:16 AM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Breitbart)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

The real story here is that this edict comes from the puppet Putin-approved Chechen government. It means that Vlad has gone with the “If you can’t beat em join em” approach to dealing with fundamentalist Islam.


27 posted on 05/01/2012 11:03:54 AM PDT by denydenydeny (Admiration of absolute government is proportionate to the contempt one has for others.-Tocqueville)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Dead Muslim women? Uh oh. Maybe they’ve been sold into prostitution.


28 posted on 05/01/2012 11:24:37 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: LevinFan

“Unless your cousin is a lib too,”

He’s kind of a Schmoo,,,,,,go along to get along. When she got pregnant, she made him sell all his guns. I got a beautiful old, dead mint, SKB 800, for $250!


29 posted on 05/01/2012 11:39:23 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Chechnya's government is openly approving of families that kill female relatives who violate their sense of honor

That includes being a rape victim, especially if male rapist is married.

30 posted on 05/01/2012 11:57:58 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Buying Drain-O requires photo I.D... so should voting!)
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To: tbw2
God help us if we say these women were better off under Communism. Right to work, education, choice of marriage, dress ... and men and women were EQUALLY oppressed.

They were. Same applies to Afghanistan. Women's civil rights were better when the Soviets occupied that miserable hellhole.

31 posted on 05/01/2012 12:01:19 PM PDT by ScottinVA (Buying Drain-O requires photo I.D... so should voting!)
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To: Clintonfatigued; tbw2

Amazing but true - communism is better than Islamism.

Where the HELL is the Secretary of State who’s so into “women’s rights” on this/??

I hate our current government so much that I have to take a break from news soon.


32 posted on 05/01/2012 12:40:44 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell. Signed, a fanatic)
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To: jocon307
... one thing about those Commies, they were pretty liberated when it came to women’s rights.

Svetlana Alliluyeva, Stalin's daughter, tells about her escape from Russia in the book "Only One Year."

It's a fascinating read.

She came out via the US Embassy in India, and she now lives in America.

33 posted on 05/01/2012 1:00:23 PM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: little jeremiah

“I hate our current government so much that I have to take a break from news soon.”

You live in what’s probably the most beautiful state in the nation. I traveled there for a short time many years ago. Rent a vacation cottage for a few months or a few weeks if that’s feasible. You’ll feel like a new man.


34 posted on 05/01/2012 4:35:45 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (A liberal's compassion is limited to the size of other peoples' paychecks)
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First off, the poster said communism.

The poster was technically mistaken (communism is a shorthand for several "advanced" sorts of socialism.) True communism, as defined by Marx and others, is an elusive beast; it's nearly unattainable. USSR almost never had communism. The "almost" refers to 1918-1921, years of Civil War. At that time principles of communism were implemented just because doing anything else was impossible - no money, no banks, no documents. Officially USSR was a Socialist society (the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.) Perhaps North Korea today can claim that they built the first sustained communist society (on bones of builders of that society.)

Name go[d?] in book and you’re shuffled to the factory, given the smallest apartment and good luck finding the clothes to buy with your small salary.

You wouldn't need to invoke God's name or anything else - it was totally irrelevant to the rulers of USSR. Church was tolerated since 1943 (Stalin needed its help in war) - but it was also irrelevant. It did not threaten the rule of the party. This means that *everyone* was working some junk job, living in a hovel and wearing clothes that a rancher would be ashamed to wear while cleaning a barn. Everyone was equally poor (and that's why USSR had to have complete isolation from the West. Same happens today with NK.)

Have you known a Christian living under Communism?

Assuming the Soviet society, whatever label we may affix to it - yes, I knew a few. The government completely ignored their religious beliefs. Members of the Communist Party were all atheists (supposedly) but they learned that fighting religion just isn't worth it. The Church also learned the lay of the land and was careful to not cross paths with Caesar's interests. The KGB was monitoring Church's activities, but not many priests got in trouble this way; the punishment for criticizing the regime was accompanied by a reward for cooperation - by the permission to preach. What is more important? That's a good question.

35 posted on 05/01/2012 5:39:13 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra; All

Hell some people think that Mormons are worse then Muslims..


36 posted on 05/01/2012 5:46:30 PM PDT by KevinDavis (Go Mitt Go!!!)
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To: Greysard

“Name go in book”

No not God, your name goes in a book.

>>Assuming the Soviet society, whatever label we may affix to it - yes, I knew a few. The government completely ignored their religious beliefs. Members of the Communist Party were all atheists (supposedly) but they learned that fighting religion just isn’t worth it. The Church also learned the lay of the land and was careful to not cross paths with Caesar’s interests. <<

I’m not sure where you get your information but we have Slovak priest at our parish. They know others that were killed. AND if you went to church, no education, crappy living quarters, etc. etc.
You bought the Soviet line, my FRiend.


37 posted on 05/01/2012 6:02:15 PM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Breitbart)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Putin put the jihadist animal Kadyrov in charge of Chechnya. Under Kadyrov’s islamofascist dictatorship, 107% of the Chechen electorate voted in favor of KGB Putin, islam’s best friend in the whole world. Meanwhile real Russians were disenfranchised when Putin's thugs stuffed the ballot box with phony votes.
38 posted on 05/02/2012 6:52:11 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Clintonfatigued; justiceseeker93; GOPsterinMA; AuH2ORepublican; Dengar01; BillyBoy; ...

If they aren’t too busy counter protesting at abortion mills I bet they’re bashing Israel, the only country in the Mideast where women have equal rights.

Feminazis and jihadists should share a cell.


39 posted on 05/02/2012 7:05:57 AM PDT by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Chechnya under Kadirov is a huge improvement comparing to interwar Chechnya before Kadirov.

He is a dictator similar to Saddam or Q-duffy, maybe lower grade dictator but before Putin installed him it was like Afghanistan under Talibs and worse.

I’m not a advocating this guy a bit. Just an observation.

Hell has a lot of circles, at some circles it is much worse that other.


40 posted on 05/02/2012 11:26:14 PM PDT by cunning_fish
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