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The Obama-Romney Education Plan
The Wall Street Journal ^ | 4/24/2012 | James Freeman

Posted on 04/29/2012 9:33:29 AM PDT by JediJones

Former presidential candidate Rick Santorum warned that Mitt Romney might not present a "clear contrast" to President Obama in the general election. Judging by Monday's action on the campaign trail, Mr. Santorum had a point.

On a day when the White House urged Congress to increase student-loan subsidies, Mr. Romney had an opportunity to draw a sharp distinction between the expanding Obama entitlement state and a plan to revive the private economy.

But instead of laying out plans to create jobs and reduce government spending, the former Massachusetts governor arrived at the same policy conclusion as Barack Obama. "Given the bleak job prospects that young Americans coming out of college face today," said Mr. Romney, "I encourage Congress to temporarily extend the current low rate on subsidized undergraduate Stafford loans. I also hope the president and Congress can pass the extension responsibly that offsets its cost in a way that doesn't harm the job prospects of young Americans."

House members who have been opposing the extension know it is anything but responsible. The Obama-Romney subsidy will keep rates as low as 3.4% for many student borrowers, not that far above the 3.1% rate that the Treasury pays to borrow for the long term. If interest rates spike, taxpayers could be losing on every single new loan, never mind the cost of defaults. And as for offsets, the White House and Senate Democrats favor a new tax on small businesses. If Mr. Romney can't provide a contrast to that idea, Republicans will know they're in for a very long campaign.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: barackobama; college; loans; mittromney
Also keep in mind this has nothing to do with rates on current loans. This policy deals with the rates that will be given on NEW loans only.

More government subsidies and redistribution of wealth that may or may not get any source of funding or add to the debt. The latest in what's sure to be a long, ongoing series from Mitt Romney and his "No Hope for Change" campaign.

1 posted on 04/29/2012 9:33:39 AM PDT by JediJones
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To: JediJones

“I think the old standby definitions of who votes for which party have been blown away in this campaign. I think people recognize that I’m not a partisan Republican—that I’m someone who is moderate, and that my views are progressive.”
-Mitt Romney (2002)

Video of the quote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMcjJEXt9To

Obama continued: “I am somebody who is no doubt progressive. I believe in a tax code that we need to make more fair. I believe in universal health care. I believe in making college affordable. I believe in paying our teachers more money. I believe in early childhood education. I believe in a whole lot of things that make me progressive.”
-Barack Obama
http://www.progressive.org/mag/nichols0109.html


2 posted on 04/29/2012 9:35:09 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: JediJones

There was a nice moment on the FOX News WSJ editorial board show yesterday where one of their staff profusely thanked Newt Gingrich for being in the race, helping to keep the race interesting and helping to improve the eventual nominee.


3 posted on 04/29/2012 9:35:34 AM PDT by JediJones (From the makers of Romney, Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger 2016. Because the GOP can never go too far left.)
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To: JediJones

One gets the impression that Newt was never serious about the race, but had the objective of fixing up three or four of the early races to benefit Romney (taking votes away from others).


4 posted on 04/29/2012 9:39:38 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: JediJones
"Given the bleak job prospects that young Americans coming out of college face today," said Mr. Romney, "I encourage Congress to temporarily extend the current low rate on subsidized undergraduate Stafford loans.

They can't get jobs when they get out of college so lets give them loans they can't pay off.

Mitt Romney, all the brains and half the charm of Joe Biden.
5 posted on 04/29/2012 9:41:29 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: pepsionice

The only one who could get that impression is a fool or someone totally detached from reality.


6 posted on 04/29/2012 9:42:03 AM PDT by JediJones (From the makers of Romney, Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger 2016. Because the GOP can never go too far left.)
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To: metmom; wintertime; JenB

This has to do with college. But homeschooled students will be better-prepared and more able to shake down scholarships.

Another reason...oh, well, you know already.


7 posted on 04/29/2012 9:47:34 AM PDT by Clintonfatigued (A liberal's compassion is limited to the size of other peoples' paychecks)
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To: cripplecreek
They can't get jobs when they get out of college so lets give them loans they can't pay off.

If this is what the GOP stands for then to he!! with them!

You are right, Romney is the perfect fill-in for Biden.

8 posted on 04/29/2012 10:03:33 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Glenn Beck was right. The progressive ideology is the cancer in both parties. IT is why there is no difference between the republicans and democrats.


9 posted on 04/29/2012 10:05:40 AM PDT by Mozilla (Constitution Party 2012)
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To: JediJones

Good for Romney! I think it’s rather clever of him. Use the left’s tactics against them! Keep your agenda vague, muddy the waters for the rats, make your enemies confused and disoriented until after the elections! The rats have all the tools at their disposal — msm —to pin their enemies down and brand them to their liking. The best thing to do to shield yourself is to camouflage, dissimulate, and disorient the enemy! I kinda like his strategy!


10 posted on 04/29/2012 10:06:26 AM PDT by parisa
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To: parisa
So is there anything he shouldn't agree with Obama on as part of his "strategy?" Note, this isn't a strategy. Romney has consistently throughout his political career and campaigns supported either expanding the welfare and entitlement states or keeping the status quo.
11 posted on 04/29/2012 10:10:30 AM PDT by JediJones (From the makers of Romney, Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger 2016. Because the GOP can never go too far left.)
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To: JediJones
Note, this isn't a strategy.

Agreed, the man is a weasel and a moron. He isn't bright enough to use any kind of political jujitsu against the left, he genuinely wants them to like him.
12 posted on 04/29/2012 10:15:04 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Mozilla

That’s why I’m writing in Sarah Palin for POTUS this November.


13 posted on 04/29/2012 10:16:34 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: SoConPubbie

Shake shake shake. Mitt Morphs into obama on college loans.


14 posted on 04/29/2012 10:16:54 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: JediJones

Obama and Romney agree on a lot more than they disagree on


15 posted on 04/29/2012 10:24:39 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: JediJones

Vote for Barack ORomney! Because voting for a socialist is better than wasting your vote on a true conservative!

/do I need it?


16 posted on 04/29/2012 10:25:50 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (Anybody but Obama and Romney)
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To: parisa

He didn’t muddy the water for the rats, he did it to the conservatives


17 posted on 04/29/2012 10:26:36 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: parisa
The best thing to do to shield yourself is to camouflage, dissimulate, and disorient the enemy!

I have to admit, Romney's got me fooled into thinking he's a socialist scumbag...

18 posted on 04/29/2012 10:31:56 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (Anybody but Obama and Romney)
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To: JediJones
House members who have been opposing the extension know it is anything but responsible.

Well, if Mitt gets elected, he can bypass Tea Party House and Senate members and push his big-government liberalism with a coalition of RINOs and Dems.

Because, after all, with Beltway Dems and Pubbies, being in power is not about determining the size of government but who gets the lions share of the political booty. But those Tea Party rubes, well, they're SERIOUS about shrinking government and therefore the size of the swag. So the RINOs would rather lose to the Dems than win with the Tea Party.

19 posted on 04/29/2012 10:32:09 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: parisa
Good for Romney! I think it’s rather clever of him. Use the left’s tactics against them!

So we should defeat the left's socialism by co-opting it as our own.

Bush tried that with compassionate conservatism. All we got was rampant spending and a smoking hulk left of the GOP by the time Bush left office.

You don't defeat socialism by co-opting it, you defeat it by standing up to it.

20 posted on 04/29/2012 10:34:25 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy
So the RINOs would rather lose to the Dems than win with the Tea Party.

So would, apparently, a lot of FReepers.

21 posted on 04/29/2012 10:36:24 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (Anybody but Obama and Romney)
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To: JediJones

Romney has consistently throughout his political career in Mass. been a moderate Republican, and in his personal life he has lived a pretty conservative life. Neither of us know how he would govern as president, but I know that he would be 100% better than that uber-alinskyite community agitating vermin occupying the WH right now.


22 posted on 04/29/2012 10:40:23 AM PDT by parisa
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To: JediJones

Santorum was right on the money when as one of his issues discussing the need for a College degree

Right now the public and particularly conservatives are being badgered to take in Romney when during his campaign and after he has not made real effort to appear on most conservative talk shows or approach tea party groups. He’s got some talkies carrying water for him only to move 10 feet forward and find another 5 gallon pail to pick up on some lib position he’s dropped off. From No So Fast Mr.Romney
http://ww.theusmat.com


23 posted on 04/29/2012 10:43:27 AM PDT by mosesdapoet (The best way to punish a - country is let professors run it. Fredrick the Great p/p)
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To: parisa
Neither of us know how he would govern as president, but I know that he would be 100% better than that uber-alinskyite community agitating vermin occupying the WH right now.

Actually, we do - he's govern pretty much as he did in Massachusetts. Which is not "100% better" than how Obama has governed. In fact, it's close to the same as Obama has governed.

24 posted on 04/29/2012 10:49:34 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (Anybody but Obama and Romney)
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To: Yashcheritsiy
So would, apparently, a lot of FReepers.

Oh, that's rich. Are you going to make the ludicrous claim that Romney represents Tea Party values?

25 posted on 04/29/2012 10:50:59 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy
So we should defeat the left's socialism by co-opting it as our own.

No but we should take the power away from the hyperventilating marxist rapers of the Constitution FIRST, shouldn't we? Will our cause have more impact and leverage w/ the moderate Republican Romney as president or the 2nd term transformational community agitator with scores to keep and enemies list to settle??

26 posted on 04/29/2012 10:57:03 AM PDT by parisa
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To: dirtboy

???

Just the opposite - I’m saying you have a lot of FReepers on here who would rather lose with someone like Romney than take a chance on trying to win with an actual conservative.

Calm down, DB, check out my recent posting history. I’m on your side.


27 posted on 04/29/2012 11:03:48 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (Anybody but Obama and Romney)
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To: parisa

Given how a RINO Romney administration can simply rely on a coalition of Dems and RINOs in Congress, the notion that conservatives will have any leverage on Romney is uextremely unlikely.

Besides, he knows that conservatives are going along with installing him as the nominee since he’s “inevitable,” so he knows that “conservatives” will just go along with anything he does as President, too.

Frankly, a Romney administration might end up being WORSE than a 2nd Obama term - at least the GOP in Congress and the Senate will make something of a pretense of fighting Obama. They won’t if it’s THEIR guy proposing the spending and the regulation.


28 posted on 04/29/2012 11:06:31 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (Anybody but Obama and Romney)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

Oh yeah? So Romney is also an illegitimate office-holder w/ the same audacity to actually fake his own BC?? He has also kept an enemies list of fellow Americans to settle scores w/?? He has thrown American against American, black against white, rich against poor, male against female, illegals against Americans, on and on and on and on??? Has he pal’ed around w/ domestic and foreign terrorists and murderers and enemies of the USA??? Please, don’t stop me, I can go on and on and on and on.

I am so sick and tired of this sham equivalency of the dog-eat-dog scum world of the agitator-in-chief and Romney. I don’t really understand from where it feeds from, but it will only hurt this country.


29 posted on 04/29/2012 11:11:52 AM PDT by parisa
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Mitt, “ME TOO” Romney, it’s getting difficult to even comment, it’s becoming just another “oh well” situation. Did Romney himself ever comment on “etch a Sketch”? Now another of his aides, I’m assuming part of his campaign staff, has commented that the auto bailout was Romney’s idea and that it was co-opted by obama, would that include ignoring bankruptcy laws, shafting the bondholders, bailing out the union and giving them ownership?


30 posted on 04/29/2012 11:14:15 AM PDT by duffee (NEWT 2012)
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To: parisa

There’s no “sham equivalency” going on. On things that actually matter - like policies and political positions - they are the same.

Abortion - same
Gay agenda - same
Judges - same
Guns - same
Taxes - same
Health Care - same
Immigration - same

The fact that Romney a gen-u-wine birth certificate doesn’t make him a lick better than Obama on anything that really counts.


31 posted on 04/29/2012 11:14:42 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (Anybody but Obama and Romney)
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To: JediJones

This extension of reduced student loan interest rates was going to pass no matter what. Romney took the whole touchy feely portion of the education issue off the table. Now he can slam Obama on the graduate jobless rate, exploding tuition and the 85% failure to launch rate.


32 posted on 04/29/2012 11:19:18 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (The longer you hold tiger by the tail, the hungrier he gets.)
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To: Yashcheritsiy
Frankly, a Romney administration might end up being WORSE than a 2nd Obama term

Well well well,finally a whiff of honesty here! So your motives are clear now. You would rather have obambam rule w/ his 2nd term iron fist mentality in this constitutional republic of the USA?? WOW!!!!!

33 posted on 04/29/2012 11:23:01 AM PDT by parisa
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To: Yashcheritsiy

Immigration not the same. Healthcare not the same. But still what most matters IS the legitimacy of the Chief Executive Officer of the USA in my book. ALWAYS.


34 posted on 04/29/2012 11:27:52 AM PDT by parisa
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To: parisa
No but we should take the power away from the hyperventilating marxist rapers of the Constitution FIRST, shouldn't we? Will our cause have more impact and leverage w/ the moderate Republican Romney as president or the 2nd term transformational community agitator with scores to keep and enemies list to settle??

Well, if this early incident is any indication, no. It looks like Romney would be inclined to form a coalition of RINOs and Democrats that would isolate conservatives and allow Romney to revert to his liberal/socialist tendencies and also would allow the GOP-E off the leash of fiscal conservatism that the Tea Party represents.

35 posted on 04/29/2012 11:30:23 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: parisa

Apparently, you’re too much of a retard to understand complex ideas. Oh well. I wasted my time with you.


36 posted on 04/29/2012 11:44:45 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (Anybody but Obama and Romney)
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To: dirtboy

A RINO by nature and inclination is anti-confrontational, but a radical alinskyite feeds on confrontation and power and vengeance and satisfaction of sticking it to his fantasized “enemies” and w/ one as egotistical and narcissistic as The Won bitter marxist??? Who knows where that will lead the country when he has absolutely no more constraints. But a RINO will do whatever to not confront the wrath of anyone, that includes US, the conservatives. I am never saying our work is done. we get obambam out and we go home. NO, rather, the hardest part of our work is just about beginning. We must stay awake and alert and fight whenever and wherever the RINOs go astray. But obambam rather enjoys our fury, don’t you see that. It’s the psyche of the beast that is out of control. He is mugabe-in-the-making madness for this country to contemplate. obambam MUST GO and if the RINO is our last option to get that job done we must hold our nose and get the scumbag constitution pisser ( excuse my language, I truly don’t like to use such words, but there is no other word for what obambam is doing) out of the WH.


37 posted on 04/29/2012 11:50:31 AM PDT by parisa
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To: Yashcheritsiy
Apparently, you’re too much of a retard to understand complex ideas. Oh well. I wasted my time with you.

Oh oh, what fine language for a Freeper!!! Quite Occupeerish of you!

38 posted on 04/29/2012 11:54:47 AM PDT by parisa
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To: parisa; JediJones

Somehow not knowing how Romney would govern, while he drags around a record full of EXACTLY how he would govern is a *plus* in your world.

Thinkers like you remind me of those who boarded the trains. On a wing and a prayer they loaded with utter naivete, which of course led to getting fried.

Your remarks call for a “Bless your heart” moment.

Alltogether now. BLESS YOUR HEART!


39 posted on 04/29/2012 12:29:24 PM PDT by RitaOK (Nevermind, Newt. Forget the convention. I'm trusting God for the rest.)
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To: Yashcheritsiy; dirtboy; parisa

I agree. Romney is Romney and he doesn’t even pretend to know for sure who he is himself. His record is solid socialist, but with all the excuses in the world for being so, he says, since he was after all in Massachusettes.

The religious liberty thing we see today was seeded up by Romney in MA already. After all, it wasn’t like it was Mormon’s who give the large damn aboug abortion, or else as a fine Bishop of his cult Romney could never have cut the mustard and force fed abortion coverage for the Catholic run institutions there.

You are right, Yash, that with Romney as president the GOPE who put him there will be quite inclined to back his socialist habits in Congress and the Senate, whereas if Obama put the same crap forward, they would fight it tooth and nail.

So, how are we so much better off with a Republikin Socialist in the White House. We run a good risk of being worse off than BLOCKING Obama from doing the identical things.

Creeps, both.

On the other hand, REBELLION IS TOO DAMN HARD AND IT”S SCARY, and the conservative cowards are falling like flies because of it.

How silly they are beginning to look trying to defend Romney, who is already at Mach IV speeding into Marxism himself, as different from Obama.

Gad.


40 posted on 04/29/2012 12:44:29 PM PDT by RitaOK (Nevermind, Newt. Forget the convention. I'm trusting God for the rest.)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

Sometimes it’s like trying to talk to your dog, isn’t it?

OK `Bess,’ where were we? Oh yeah—Jung and the whole duality of man thing, right?

Woof!*

Did you say `roof’? It’s over your head? Ruth? Babe Ruth? Rough? Not fleshed-out? You disagree?

*”Stop busting my chops and get me a Beggin’ Strip.”


41 posted on 04/29/2012 12:51:12 PM PDT by tumblindice (Our new, happy lives.)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

Sometimes it’s like trying to talk to your dog, isn’t it?

OK `Bess,’ where were we? Oh yeah—Jung and the whole duality of man thing, right?

Woof!*

Did you say `roof’? It’s over your head? Ruth? Babe Ruth? Rough? Not fleshed-out? You disagree?

*”Stop busting my chops and get me a Beggin’ Strip.”


42 posted on 04/29/2012 12:52:08 PM PDT by tumblindice (Our new, happy lives.)
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To: RitaOK

Actually I can say that about people like yourself who would rather be enslaved by the original etched-in-his-soul islamo-marxist fascist obambam than to vote for a moderate mormon Republican, but then I remember that thankfully there are the vast majority of us — the forces of sanity and America-first-America-always — on the left (YES, I believe even on the left there are America-firsters who have turned anti-obambam) right,center, rhino, libertarian, moderate, tea party activist, who will go to the polls and will vote proudly to kick that islamo-marxist fascist out of our WH.


43 posted on 04/29/2012 12:58:18 PM PDT by parisa
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To: Yashcheritsiy

On the one issue that is driving this election, the economy, their is a difference.

To say otherwise is foolish.


44 posted on 04/29/2012 1:26:37 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: RitaOK
Thinkers like you remind me of those who boarded the trains.

Well, Stalin promised nothing but misery and Hitler promised hot showers and a job. LOL
45 posted on 04/29/2012 2:19:12 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: cripplecreek; parisa

Parisa is hangin’ on the Kool Aid. I can see that cherry ring up to his nose all the way from my porch.

Parisa picks Hitler and the hot showers and cold cuts because Hitler talks purtier than Stalin, and he’s
.........skeered.

REBELLION IS TOO DAMN HARD, AND IT’S SCARY.


46 posted on 04/29/2012 3:16:57 PM PDT by RitaOK (Nevermind, Newt. Forget the convention. I'm trusting God for the rest.)
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To: gogogodzilla
On the one issue that is driving this election, the economy, their is a difference.

I don't let the GOP-E decide what the election is "about." My principles don't change or shift in the wind. And I won't sell out issues like life and marriage because someone tells me the election isn't "about" those. It's always about those. And Romney is a big government socialist who never met a welfare or entitlement program he wanted to cut or reform. He also likes to invent new ones. There is no significant difference on that issue between him and Obama other than the GOP will avoid fighting Romney on those because they don't want to "embarrass" their candidate, as they did last week on the $6 billion student loan interest subsidy entitlement program issue that Romney ceded to Obama.

47 posted on 04/29/2012 9:51:59 PM PDT by JediJones (From the makers of Romney, Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger 2016. Because the GOP can never go too far left.)
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To: JediJones

As I’ve been saying or awhile, in the unlikely event Mitt Romney is elected, his role is to consolidate the socialist gains of Barack Obama. Not hard to do with an R by his name, and a Congress full of Romney Republicans.


48 posted on 04/29/2012 9:55:36 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (You can be a Romney Republican or you can be a conservative. You can’t be both. Pick one.)
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To: gogogodzilla
On the one issue that is driving this election, the economy, their is a difference.

How? Because Romney's a bid'nessman?

Please.

He raised taxes, just like Obama. He killed jobs, just like Obama. He gave us socialised health care, just like Obama. He supports the jobs-killing environmentalist agenda, just like Obama.

These are all facts that are on the record, whether you personally choose to believe them or not. Most of them have been documented numerous times here on FR, much to the chagrin of the Rom-kneepadders on here. To try to pretend they don't matter is simply evasion and purposeful obtuseness.

49 posted on 04/30/2012 5:06:17 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (Anybody but Obama and Romney)
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To: RitaOK
On the other hand, REBELLION IS TOO DAMN HARD AND IT”S SCARY, and the conservative cowards are falling like flies because of it.

I hate to say it, but it's starting to look that way, doesn't it? For all their bravado about being smarter, tougher, braver, and better than the lefties, the fact of the matter is that most conservatives - including those here on FR - are just spineless go-along-to-get-along wimps. Instead of helping to fight the system, they're strapping on their Rom-kneepads as we speak.

The era of an America populated by people with big dreams and the gumption to achieve them appears to be over.

50 posted on 04/30/2012 5:09:10 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (Anybody but Obama and Romney)
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