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Joel Kotkin: The Great California Exodus
WSJ ^ | April 25, 2012 | ALLYSIA FINLEY

Posted on 04/25/2012 6:00:13 AM PDT by upchuck

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To: upchuck
"You see the great tragedy of California is that we have all this oil and gas, we won't use it," Mr. Kotkin says.

No. The great tragedy of California is hubris and denial.

21 posted on 04/25/2012 6:59:05 AM PDT by Savage Beast (Nothing is more enlightening than truth. Nothing is darker tha--n mendacity.)
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To: upchuck

I put this on a par with Cuban emigres leaving Castro’s Cuba. If leftist policies are so great, why do so many people flee them? The people leaving are reluctant to accept big government socialism.


22 posted on 04/25/2012 7:04:49 AM PDT by popdonnelly (Socialism isn't going to work this time, either.)
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To: upchuck
I see that Governer Moonbeam is dilligently carrying out the Marxist orders of the Wildlands Project and Agenda 21. Pretty soon we will begin seeing Californians riding bicycles to work with state mandated carbon-capturing masks affixed to their heads. Oh, except for the rich celebs and pols who vote the right way and send in truckloads of cash the Democrat party and the myriad of Soros front groups --- they can stay in their mansions, keep their private jets and have multiple gas-guzzling foreign sports cars in their multi-bay 2000 sqare foot garages. The real people of California better revolt pretty soon or the state will tax them into the poorhouse and they'll all be living in grass huts with Gilligan's Island technology.
23 posted on 04/25/2012 7:11:09 AM PDT by BombHollywood
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To: upchuck

While the Unions, leftists, liberals, illegals, moochers, enviros, minorities and in the back pocket politicians in Sacto have a deathgrip of insanity on the state the only soultion seems to be going Galt on them. Trainwreck up ahead might be the only solution that rattles them to the core but it will take them hitting rock bottom. What an unnecessary shame for a once great state.


24 posted on 04/25/2012 8:00:35 AM PDT by tflabo (Truth or tyranny)
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To: upchuck
I'm considering moving to or near Hawthorne, CA for a new job opportunity. I've never been to Cali before.

It's just south of LAX and east of Manhattan Beach.

Do any FReepers here have some real advice about the area? Thanks in advance.

25 posted on 04/25/2012 8:11:36 AM PDT by varyouga
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To: Buckeye McFrog

“Wow, has the Yankee Invasion done it’s damage down there.”

Just who do you think Effed up California? I sure wasn’t those of us who were born here! Good old Babs Boxer is an ideal example. She’s a Brooklyn Transplant, and Nazi Pelosi, she’s from that wonderful, benevolent, crooked, corrupt, D.Alessandro Crime Family from lovely Baltimore, MD. So when I read all the crap from the non-Californians spewing their vituperative BS, I have to say, take a real look at the problem. We have been invaded by the liberal a$$holes from the East Coast who came West like, the termites they are, eating every good place that’s left in this country. Lastly, If CA is such a bad place, how does it spawn a wonderful entity like FR? Do you really think Jim Rob is going to leave too? California has been trashed first because it is a very special place and “attracted” this liberal trash earlier than other, less desirable places. But make no mistake about it, wherever you live, they will eventually get there too. So you had better hope we figure out how to rid ourselves of this scourge sooner rather than later.


26 posted on 04/25/2012 10:17:32 AM PDT by vette6387
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To: upchuck
I moved my household from San Diego, CA to Pocatello, ID in Dec 2000. Since that time, I've been able to actually live in my new home from 2003 to mid-2009. The balance of the time, I've been compelled to work away from my home to keep the bills paid. I don't want to live or work in CA, yet that is where my employer wants me right now. I've been renting a room in San Diego while my family is living comfortably in our home in Idaho. It's a crappy compromise, but it leaves me with the ability to leave CA behind and be fully moved back to my home in 24 hours.

Last week I worked 42 hours Monday->Thursday, then loaded up the truck Thursday night. I started home from San Diego at 9:30 PM Thursday night and arrived home in my driveway in Idaho at 3:05 PM on Friday. The return trip to San Diego started at 8:30 AM on Monday and I arrived back in San Diego at 10:30 PM on Monday. It's a long 900+ mile drive. That's as close as I can get to having nearly immediate recourse to a bad situation in CA.

27 posted on 04/25/2012 10:46:55 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: varyouga
A bullet proof hummer and a SWAT escort would be a good investment in that part of town. Some swimmers goggles may help reduce excessive tearing of your eyes from the stinking pollution. Check Matt's CWII Metacube to see if you "fit" safely in that neighborhood.

Have a look at this Crime rate graph for Hawthorne.

28 posted on 04/25/2012 10:58:04 AM PDT by Myrddin
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Sorry to hear of your crummy situation. At least your family is out of CA.

You mentioned driving a truck. The gasoline bill must be eating you alive.


29 posted on 04/25/2012 7:40:54 PM PDT by upchuck (Need is not an acceptable lifestyle choice; dependent is not a career. ~ Dr. Tim Nerenz)
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To: varyouga
Do any FReepers here have some real advice about the area? Thanks in advance.

Mr Kotkin does a great job of describing the environment in CA right now.

I have friends there who are desperately trying to move out of the state. They are having trouble on two fronts: 1, their house is on the market for considerably less than they paid for it and they have no one interested in it. 2, Fear that a comparably paying job can't be found outside of CA. They're really stuck.

30 posted on 04/25/2012 7:46:41 PM PDT by upchuck (Need is not an acceptable lifestyle choice; dependent is not a career. ~ Dr. Tim Nerenz)
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To: Travis McGee
I left SoCal for N.E. Oklahoma....

No regrets...

31 posted on 04/25/2012 7:49:02 PM PDT by Osage Orange (The MSM is the most dangerous entity in the United States of America.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Thanks for posting that ranking list.

As I was posting this article I was wishing I had that tax ranking info to post in reply #1.


32 posted on 04/25/2012 7:54:17 PM PDT by upchuck (Need is not an acceptable lifestyle choice; dependent is not a career. ~ Dr. Tim Nerenz)
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To: upchuck

You are quite welcome. It’s always great to know other aspects of the story.


33 posted on 04/25/2012 8:09:21 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: upchuck

My F150 is used for hauling my motorcycle to San Diego from Idaho. It remains parked except for rainy days and big shopping trips. I ride the bike everywhere. In the period between Jan 2nd and Apr 20, I put 400 miles on the F150. The bike just returned to Idaho has gone 17,000 miles since July 29, 2009. The bike I carried back went from 7507 in June 2010 to 19450 in June 2011. It is back for more duty.


34 posted on 04/25/2012 8:57:40 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: upchuck

I go to business meetings in CA - mostly SF and SD - and the deterioration over twenty years is amazing.

That having been said, a lot of folks here say they can’t leave because their job in CA pays more than they can make elsewhere. If the state is destroying the economy, how can that be?


35 posted on 04/25/2012 9:00:59 PM PDT by Jim Noble ("The Germans: At your feet, or at your throat" - Winston Churchill)
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To: upchuck

We can’t lose agriculture. That’s crazy.


36 posted on 04/25/2012 9:03:55 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: Jim Noble
they can’t leave because their job in CA pays more than they can make elsewhere

Myth, likely. CA has one of the highest costs of living in the US.

I have developed a friendship with a guy that fled CA with his family about three years ago. He took a hefty pay cut to move. But the cost of living, especially housing, is much lower than CA. He says everything considered, he's breaking about even.

37 posted on 04/25/2012 9:48:19 PM PDT by upchuck (Need is not an acceptable lifestyle choice; dependent is not a career. ~ Dr. Tim Nerenz)
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Yes, but factoring the fabulous weather and nearly constant blue skies--I can imagine it is very difficult to turn one's back on California.

I agree about the deterioration. I went to California (LA area, a little north, Camarillo)...I couldn't believe the decay of the infrastructure. I hadn't been in nearly 15 years and it was staggering what they've done to that state.

38 posted on 04/26/2012 4:05:48 PM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
Wow, has the Yankee Invasion done it’s damage down there

It's pretty bad. Stuck here trying like heck to get out.

39 posted on 04/26/2012 4:21:26 PM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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