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Joel Kotkin: The Great California Exodus
WSJ ^ | April 25, 2012 | ALLYSIA FINLEY

Posted on 04/25/2012 6:00:13 AM PDT by upchuck

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Nearly four million more people have left the Golden State in the last two decades than have come from other states. This is a sharp reversal from the 1980s, when 100,000 more Americans were settling in California each year than were leaving.

While many middle-class families have moved inland, those regions don't have the same allure or amenities as the coast. People might as well move to Nevada or Texas, where housing and everything else is cheaper and there's no income tax.

And things will only get worse in the coming years as Democratic Gov. Jerry Brown and his green cadre implement their "smart growth" plans to cram the proletariat into high-density housing. "What I find reprehensible beyond belief is that the people pushing [high-density housing] themselves live in single-family homes and often drive very fancy cars, but want everyone else to live like my grandmother did in Brownsville in Brooklyn in the 1920s," Mr. Kotkin declares.

In the governor's dreams, green jobs will replace all of the "tangible jobs" that the state's losing in agriculture, manufacturing, warehousing and construction. But "green energy doesn't create enough energy!" Mr. Kotkin exclaims. "And it drives up the price of energy, which then drives out other things." Notwithstanding all of the subsidies the state lavishes on renewables, green jobs only make up about 2% of California's private-sector work force—no more than they do in Texas.

According to the Tax Foundation, California has the 48th-worst business tax climate. Its income tax is steeply progressive. Millionaires pay a top rate of 10.3%, the third-highest in the country. But middle-class workers—those who earn more than $48,000—pay a top rate of 9.3%, which is higher than what millionaires pay in 47 states. And Democrats want to raise taxes even more.

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FReepers have been watching and commenting on this downward spiral for years.

My first trip to Cali was in 1980 on business. I was astounded that homes there were selling at four times the value of my home in Louisville, KY.

If it defies common sense, you'll find boatloads of it in California.

IMHO, California is a mirror of where the US will be in 10-15 years. Assuming the present US course is not stopped.

1 posted on 04/25/2012 6:00:16 AM PDT by upchuck
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To: upchuck

I left SoCal for NE Florida. No regrets.


2 posted on 04/25/2012 6:02:59 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: upchuck

The article doesn’t go into what happens after this unsustainable situation finally collapses - which it undoubtedly will sooner than later.


3 posted on 04/25/2012 6:07:46 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: upchuck

God bless those tough souls who are laboring behind the green curtain, trying to make a go of it out there. With that regulatory and taxation nightmare, it can’t be easy.


4 posted on 04/25/2012 6:09:38 AM PDT by ScottinVA
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To: upchuck
The CARB act (California Air Resource Board) is driving the final coffin nail into a once proud economy. This SS like committee can tax the hell out of business in the name of “clean air for our children.” Obama would like this virus to go national.
5 posted on 04/25/2012 6:12:02 AM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: upchuck
In the governor's dreams, green jobs will replace all of the "tangible jobs" that the state's losing in agriculture, manufacturing, warehousing and construction

There he goes again... Gov. Moonbeam McPothead doubling down on a losing hand.

6 posted on 04/25/2012 6:12:11 AM PDT by ScottinVA
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To: skeeter

California will look to us taxpayers for a bailout. Hopefully, Cali will be spurned. Cali will then file for bankruptcy and then things will get really interesting.


7 posted on 04/25/2012 6:12:48 AM PDT by upchuck (Need is not an acceptable lifestyle choice; dependent is not a career. ~ Dr. Tim Nerenz)
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To: upchuck

CA taxpayers have been giving more to than they gotten from the other 49 states for decades, but I hope CA is spurned when it goes hat in hand looking for a bailout - the sooner the collapse the sooner the freeloaders will get what they have coming.


8 posted on 04/25/2012 6:16:38 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: upchuck

The downside is that many of these people (not all) fleeing the hell that they themselves have created in Cal. then demand and vote for the same socialism-big government-anti freedom in their new location. A process called CALIFORNICATION.


9 posted on 04/25/2012 6:24:58 AM PDT by A. Patriot (Have we lost our Republic? Do the majority of Americans care?)
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To: upchuck

The Tax Foundation 2012 state business tax climate index.
http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/22658.html

The 10 best states in this year’s Index are:

1. Wyoming
2. South Dakota
3. Nevada
4. Alaska
5. Florida
6. New Hampshire
7. Washington
8. Montana
9. Texas
10. Utah

The 10 lowest ranked, or worst, states in this year’s Index are:

41. Iowa
42. Maryland
43. Wisconsin
44. North Carolina
45. Minnesota
46. Rhode Island
47. Vermont
48. California
49. New York
50. New Jersey


10 posted on 04/25/2012 6:25:41 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: upchuck

California used to be heaven on earth to me. Stuck it out until 2004, then left and never looked back. How I miss the perfect weather, the beautiful scenery, the casual life style...but other than the weather, it is all memories now and I doubt if its former glory can be recaptured. I’m going to visit the diehard relatives in May and will love visiting but, despite their constant urgings for me to move back, it will never happen! California’s demise should be a warning for the rest of the country...what a shame!


11 posted on 04/25/2012 6:30:19 AM PDT by MomofMarine
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To: upchuck

Hugh Hewitt had a guest on last evening who owns a consulting firm which helps businesses flee California and other liberal hell-holes for more business friendly climes. Sounds like his business is booming.


12 posted on 04/25/2012 6:34:20 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Jack Hydrazine

North Carolina #44? Lower than PA? Ohio? MICHIGAN????

Wow, has the Yankee Invasion done it’s damage down there.


13 posted on 04/25/2012 6:36:09 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Wife and I spent a week in San Diego last month. Great place to visit but EXPENSIVE !


14 posted on 04/25/2012 6:37:11 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: upchuck
"Greece. Many progressives in California take that as a compliment since Greeks are ostensibly happier"

Whereas more intelligent observers recall The Land of the Lotus Eaters visited by The Legion of the Sun and see its connection to tawdry, hopeless crack houses where contemporary "progressives" have had their way.

Don't try explaining this to "progressives". They don't want to know.

The Lotus Eaters didn't want any outside opinions either.

BTW, you'll remember that eating the lotus was the one adventure that Ulysses refused to experience. He even insisted on hearing the songs of the sirens.

You will also recall that, among his many other intellectual accomplishments, he was the one who devised the Trojan Horse.

Ulysses lives in every human population. This spirit will always prevail.

The Lotus Eaters have also always lived in every human population. They always wind up in the garbage dump.

15 posted on 04/25/2012 6:39:00 AM PDT by Savage Beast (Nothing is more enlightening than truth. Nothing is darker tha--n mendacity.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Last week at a funeral I met my cousin, her husband, her three kids and their spouses and their numerous children....... all moved to Cary/Raleigh Durham from Maryland.


16 posted on 04/25/2012 6:44:14 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: upchuck
"the people pushing [high-density housing] themselves live in single-family homes and often drive very fancy cars, but want everyone else to..."

No kidding?

Welcome to ENLIGHTENMENT, Joel.

(A little more progress, and Joel will be a member of the Tea Party.)

17 posted on 04/25/2012 6:48:01 AM PDT by Savage Beast (Nothing is more enlightening than truth. Nothing is darker tha--n mendacity.)
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To: MomofMarine

As a San Diego Native and 43 year resident of CA, I can tell you that San Diego was heck of a town to grow up in, but a horrible place to try and raise a family unless you were well off. Left for Texas in 2005 and really do not regret the move at all.


18 posted on 04/25/2012 6:50:48 AM PDT by L,TOWM (Once you see that it is all Kabuki Theater, you are free to quit wasting your time on politics.)
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To: upchuck
Oops! I should have read further...

"Kotkin...Democrat...voted for Mr. Brown...because he believed Mr. Brown was interesting and thought outside the box."

You just can't fix stupid.

Is it sometimes possible to guide the stupid toward less destructive behavior?

19 posted on 04/25/2012 6:54:45 AM PDT by Savage Beast (Nothing is more enlightening than truth. Nothing is darker tha--n mendacity.)
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To: upchuck
"You see the great tragedy of California is that we have all this oil and gas, we won't use it," Mr. Kotkin says.

No. The great tragedy of California is hubris and denial.

20 posted on 04/25/2012 6:59:05 AM PDT by Savage Beast (Nothing is more enlightening than truth. Nothing is darker tha--n mendacity.)
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To: upchuck
"You see the great tragedy of California is that we have all this oil and gas, we won't use it," Mr. Kotkin says.

No. The great tragedy of California is hubris and denial.

21 posted on 04/25/2012 6:59:05 AM PDT by Savage Beast (Nothing is more enlightening than truth. Nothing is darker tha--n mendacity.)
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To: upchuck

I put this on a par with Cuban emigres leaving Castro’s Cuba. If leftist policies are so great, why do so many people flee them? The people leaving are reluctant to accept big government socialism.


22 posted on 04/25/2012 7:04:49 AM PDT by popdonnelly (Socialism isn't going to work this time, either.)
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To: upchuck
I see that Governer Moonbeam is dilligently carrying out the Marxist orders of the Wildlands Project and Agenda 21. Pretty soon we will begin seeing Californians riding bicycles to work with state mandated carbon-capturing masks affixed to their heads. Oh, except for the rich celebs and pols who vote the right way and send in truckloads of cash the Democrat party and the myriad of Soros front groups --- they can stay in their mansions, keep their private jets and have multiple gas-guzzling foreign sports cars in their multi-bay 2000 sqare foot garages. The real people of California better revolt pretty soon or the state will tax them into the poorhouse and they'll all be living in grass huts with Gilligan's Island technology.
23 posted on 04/25/2012 7:11:09 AM PDT by BombHollywood
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To: upchuck

While the Unions, leftists, liberals, illegals, moochers, enviros, minorities and in the back pocket politicians in Sacto have a deathgrip of insanity on the state the only soultion seems to be going Galt on them. Trainwreck up ahead might be the only solution that rattles them to the core but it will take them hitting rock bottom. What an unnecessary shame for a once great state.


24 posted on 04/25/2012 8:00:35 AM PDT by tflabo (Truth or tyranny)
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To: upchuck
I'm considering moving to or near Hawthorne, CA for a new job opportunity. I've never been to Cali before.

It's just south of LAX and east of Manhattan Beach.

Do any FReepers here have some real advice about the area? Thanks in advance.

25 posted on 04/25/2012 8:11:36 AM PDT by varyouga
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To: Buckeye McFrog

“Wow, has the Yankee Invasion done it’s damage down there.”

Just who do you think Effed up California? I sure wasn’t those of us who were born here! Good old Babs Boxer is an ideal example. She’s a Brooklyn Transplant, and Nazi Pelosi, she’s from that wonderful, benevolent, crooked, corrupt, D.Alessandro Crime Family from lovely Baltimore, MD. So when I read all the crap from the non-Californians spewing their vituperative BS, I have to say, take a real look at the problem. We have been invaded by the liberal a$$holes from the East Coast who came West like, the termites they are, eating every good place that’s left in this country. Lastly, If CA is such a bad place, how does it spawn a wonderful entity like FR? Do you really think Jim Rob is going to leave too? California has been trashed first because it is a very special place and “attracted” this liberal trash earlier than other, less desirable places. But make no mistake about it, wherever you live, they will eventually get there too. So you had better hope we figure out how to rid ourselves of this scourge sooner rather than later.


26 posted on 04/25/2012 10:17:32 AM PDT by vette6387
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To: upchuck
I moved my household from San Diego, CA to Pocatello, ID in Dec 2000. Since that time, I've been able to actually live in my new home from 2003 to mid-2009. The balance of the time, I've been compelled to work away from my home to keep the bills paid. I don't want to live or work in CA, yet that is where my employer wants me right now. I've been renting a room in San Diego while my family is living comfortably in our home in Idaho. It's a crappy compromise, but it leaves me with the ability to leave CA behind and be fully moved back to my home in 24 hours.

Last week I worked 42 hours Monday->Thursday, then loaded up the truck Thursday night. I started home from San Diego at 9:30 PM Thursday night and arrived home in my driveway in Idaho at 3:05 PM on Friday. The return trip to San Diego started at 8:30 AM on Monday and I arrived back in San Diego at 10:30 PM on Monday. It's a long 900+ mile drive. That's as close as I can get to having nearly immediate recourse to a bad situation in CA.

27 posted on 04/25/2012 10:46:55 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: varyouga
A bullet proof hummer and a SWAT escort would be a good investment in that part of town. Some swimmers goggles may help reduce excessive tearing of your eyes from the stinking pollution. Check Matt's CWII Metacube to see if you "fit" safely in that neighborhood.

Have a look at this Crime rate graph for Hawthorne.

28 posted on 04/25/2012 10:58:04 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Myrddin

Sorry to hear of your crummy situation. At least your family is out of CA.

You mentioned driving a truck. The gasoline bill must be eating you alive.


29 posted on 04/25/2012 7:40:54 PM PDT by upchuck (Need is not an acceptable lifestyle choice; dependent is not a career. ~ Dr. Tim Nerenz)
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To: varyouga
Do any FReepers here have some real advice about the area? Thanks in advance.

Mr Kotkin does a great job of describing the environment in CA right now.

I have friends there who are desperately trying to move out of the state. They are having trouble on two fronts: 1, their house is on the market for considerably less than they paid for it and they have no one interested in it. 2, Fear that a comparably paying job can't be found outside of CA. They're really stuck.

30 posted on 04/25/2012 7:46:41 PM PDT by upchuck (Need is not an acceptable lifestyle choice; dependent is not a career. ~ Dr. Tim Nerenz)
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To: Travis McGee
I left SoCal for N.E. Oklahoma....

No regrets...

31 posted on 04/25/2012 7:49:02 PM PDT by Osage Orange (The MSM is the most dangerous entity in the United States of America.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Thanks for posting that ranking list.

As I was posting this article I was wishing I had that tax ranking info to post in reply #1.


32 posted on 04/25/2012 7:54:17 PM PDT by upchuck (Need is not an acceptable lifestyle choice; dependent is not a career. ~ Dr. Tim Nerenz)
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To: upchuck

You are quite welcome. It’s always great to know other aspects of the story.


33 posted on 04/25/2012 8:09:21 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: upchuck

My F150 is used for hauling my motorcycle to San Diego from Idaho. It remains parked except for rainy days and big shopping trips. I ride the bike everywhere. In the period between Jan 2nd and Apr 20, I put 400 miles on the F150. The bike just returned to Idaho has gone 17,000 miles since July 29, 2009. The bike I carried back went from 7507 in June 2010 to 19450 in June 2011. It is back for more duty.


34 posted on 04/25/2012 8:57:40 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: upchuck

I go to business meetings in CA - mostly SF and SD - and the deterioration over twenty years is amazing.

That having been said, a lot of folks here say they can’t leave because their job in CA pays more than they can make elsewhere. If the state is destroying the economy, how can that be?


35 posted on 04/25/2012 9:00:59 PM PDT by Jim Noble ("The Germans: At your feet, or at your throat" - Winston Churchill)
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To: upchuck

We can’t lose agriculture. That’s crazy.


36 posted on 04/25/2012 9:03:55 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: Jim Noble
they can’t leave because their job in CA pays more than they can make elsewhere

Myth, likely. CA has one of the highest costs of living in the US.

I have developed a friendship with a guy that fled CA with his family about three years ago. He took a hefty pay cut to move. But the cost of living, especially housing, is much lower than CA. He says everything considered, he's breaking about even.

37 posted on 04/25/2012 9:48:19 PM PDT by upchuck (Need is not an acceptable lifestyle choice; dependent is not a career. ~ Dr. Tim Nerenz)
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To: upchuck; Jim Noble
Yes, but factoring the fabulous weather and nearly constant blue skies--I can imagine it is very difficult to turn one's back on California.

I agree about the deterioration. I went to California (LA area, a little north, Camarillo)...I couldn't believe the decay of the infrastructure. I hadn't been in nearly 15 years and it was staggering what they've done to that state.

38 posted on 04/26/2012 4:05:48 PM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
Wow, has the Yankee Invasion done it’s damage down there

It's pretty bad. Stuck here trying like heck to get out.

39 posted on 04/26/2012 4:21:26 PM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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