Skip to comments.Joel Kotkin: The Great California Exodus
Posted on 04/25/2012 6:00:13 AM PDT by upchuck
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Nearly four million more people have left the Golden State in the last two decades than have come from other states. This is a sharp reversal from the 1980s, when 100,000 more Americans were settling in California each year than were leaving.
While many middle-class families have moved inland, those regions don't have the same allure or amenities as the coast. People might as well move to Nevada or Texas, where housing and everything else is cheaper and there's no income tax.
And things will only get worse in the coming years as Democratic Gov. Jerry Brown and his green cadre implement their "smart growth" plans to cram the proletariat into high-density housing. "What I find reprehensible beyond belief is that the people pushing [high-density housing] themselves live in single-family homes and often drive very fancy cars, but want everyone else to live like my grandmother did in Brownsville in Brooklyn in the 1920s," Mr. Kotkin declares.
In the governor's dreams, green jobs will replace all of the "tangible jobs" that the state's losing in agriculture, manufacturing, warehousing and construction. But "green energy doesn't create enough energy!" Mr. Kotkin exclaims. "And it drives up the price of energy, which then drives out other things." Notwithstanding all of the subsidies the state lavishes on renewables, green jobs only make up about 2% of California's private-sector work forceno more than they do in Texas.
According to the Tax Foundation, California has the 48th-worst business tax climate. Its income tax is steeply progressive. Millionaires pay a top rate of 10.3%, the third-highest in the country. But middle-class workersthose who earn more than $48,000pay a top rate of 9.3%, which is higher than what millionaires pay in 47 states. And Democrats want to raise taxes even more.
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My first trip to Cali was in 1980 on business. I was astounded that homes there were selling at four times the value of my home in Louisville, KY.
If it defies common sense, you'll find boatloads of it in California.
IMHO, California is a mirror of where the US will be in 10-15 years. Assuming the present US course is not stopped.
I left SoCal for NE Florida. No regrets.
The article doesn’t go into what happens after this unsustainable situation finally collapses - which it undoubtedly will sooner than later.
God bless those tough souls who are laboring behind the green curtain, trying to make a go of it out there. With that regulatory and taxation nightmare, it can’t be easy.
There he goes again... Gov. Moonbeam McPothead doubling down on a losing hand.
California will look to us taxpayers for a bailout. Hopefully, Cali will be spurned. Cali will then file for bankruptcy and then things will get really interesting.
CA taxpayers have been giving more to than they gotten from the other 49 states for decades, but I hope CA is spurned when it goes hat in hand looking for a bailout - the sooner the collapse the sooner the freeloaders will get what they have coming.
The downside is that many of these people (not all) fleeing the hell that they themselves have created in Cal. then demand and vote for the same socialism-big government-anti freedom in their new location. A process called CALIFORNICATION.
The Tax Foundation 2012 state business tax climate index.
The 10 best states in this years Index are:
2. South Dakota
6. New Hampshire
The 10 lowest ranked, or worst, states in this years Index are:
44. North Carolina
46. Rhode Island
49. New York
50. New Jersey
California used to be heaven on earth to me. Stuck it out until 2004, then left and never looked back. How I miss the perfect weather, the beautiful scenery, the casual life style...but other than the weather, it is all memories now and I doubt if its former glory can be recaptured. I’m going to visit the diehard relatives in May and will love visiting but, despite their constant urgings for me to move back, it will never happen! California’s demise should be a warning for the rest of the country...what a shame!
Hugh Hewitt had a guest on last evening who owns a consulting firm which helps businesses flee California and other liberal hell-holes for more business friendly climes. Sounds like his business is booming.
North Carolina #44? Lower than PA? Ohio? MICHIGAN????
Wow, has the Yankee Invasion done it’s damage down there.
Wife and I spent a week in San Diego last month. Great place to visit but EXPENSIVE !
Whereas more intelligent observers recall The Land of the Lotus Eaters visited by The Legion of the Sun and see its connection to tawdry, hopeless crack houses where contemporary "progressives" have had their way.
Don't try explaining this to "progressives". They don't want to know.
The Lotus Eaters didn't want any outside opinions either.
BTW, you'll remember that eating the lotus was the one adventure that Ulysses refused to experience. He even insisted on hearing the songs of the sirens.
You will also recall that, among his many other intellectual accomplishments, he was the one who devised the Trojan Horse.
Ulysses lives in every human population. This spirit will always prevail.
The Lotus Eaters have also always lived in every human population. They always wind up in the garbage dump.
Last week at a funeral I met my cousin, her husband, her three kids and their spouses and their numerous children....... all moved to Cary/Raleigh Durham from Maryland.
Welcome to ENLIGHTENMENT, Joel.
(A little more progress, and Joel will be a member of the Tea Party.)
As a San Diego Native and 43 year resident of CA, I can tell you that San Diego was heck of a town to grow up in, but a horrible place to try and raise a family unless you were well off. Left for Texas in 2005 and really do not regret the move at all.
"Kotkin...Democrat...voted for Mr. Brown...because he believed Mr. Brown was interesting and thought outside the box."
You just can't fix stupid.
Is it sometimes possible to guide the stupid toward less destructive behavior?
No. The great tragedy of California is hubris and denial.
No. The great tragedy of California is hubris and denial.
I put this on a par with Cuban emigres leaving Castro’s Cuba. If leftist policies are so great, why do so many people flee them? The people leaving are reluctant to accept big government socialism.
While the Unions, leftists, liberals, illegals, moochers, enviros, minorities and in the back pocket politicians in Sacto have a deathgrip of insanity on the state the only soultion seems to be going Galt on them. Trainwreck up ahead might be the only solution that rattles them to the core but it will take them hitting rock bottom. What an unnecessary shame for a once great state.
It's just south of LAX and east of Manhattan Beach.
Do any FReepers here have some real advice about the area? Thanks in advance.
“Wow, has the Yankee Invasion done its damage down there.”
Just who do you think Effed up California? I sure wasn’t those of us who were born here! Good old Babs Boxer is an ideal example. She’s a Brooklyn Transplant, and Nazi Pelosi, she’s from that wonderful, benevolent, crooked, corrupt, D.Alessandro Crime Family from lovely Baltimore, MD. So when I read all the crap from the non-Californians spewing their vituperative BS, I have to say, take a real look at the problem. We have been invaded by the liberal a$$holes from the East Coast who came West like, the termites they are, eating every good place that’s left in this country. Lastly, If CA is such a bad place, how does it spawn a wonderful entity like FR? Do you really think Jim Rob is going to leave too? California has been trashed first because it is a very special place and “attracted” this liberal trash earlier than other, less desirable places. But make no mistake about it, wherever you live, they will eventually get there too. So you had better hope we figure out how to rid ourselves of this scourge sooner rather than later.
Last week I worked 42 hours Monday->Thursday, then loaded up the truck Thursday night. I started home from San Diego at 9:30 PM Thursday night and arrived home in my driveway in Idaho at 3:05 PM on Friday. The return trip to San Diego started at 8:30 AM on Monday and I arrived back in San Diego at 10:30 PM on Monday. It's a long 900+ mile drive. That's as close as I can get to having nearly immediate recourse to a bad situation in CA.
Have a look at this Crime rate graph for Hawthorne.
Sorry to hear of your crummy situation. At least your family is out of CA.
You mentioned driving a truck. The gasoline bill must be eating you alive.
Mr Kotkin does a great job of describing the environment in CA right now.
I have friends there who are desperately trying to move out of the state. They are having trouble on two fronts: 1, their house is on the market for considerably less than they paid for it and they have no one interested in it. 2, Fear that a comparably paying job can't be found outside of CA. They're really stuck.
Thanks for posting that ranking list.
As I was posting this article I was wishing I had that tax ranking info to post in reply #1.
You are quite welcome. It’s always great to know other aspects of the story.
My F150 is used for hauling my motorcycle to San Diego from Idaho. It remains parked except for rainy days and big shopping trips. I ride the bike everywhere. In the period between Jan 2nd and Apr 20, I put 400 miles on the F150. The bike just returned to Idaho has gone 17,000 miles since July 29, 2009. The bike I carried back went from 7507 in June 2010 to 19450 in June 2011. It is back for more duty.
I go to business meetings in CA - mostly SF and SD - and the deterioration over twenty years is amazing.
That having been said, a lot of folks here say they can’t leave because their job in CA pays more than they can make elsewhere. If the state is destroying the economy, how can that be?
We can’t lose agriculture. That’s crazy.
Myth, likely. CA has one of the highest costs of living in the US.
I have developed a friendship with a guy that fled CA with his family about three years ago. He took a hefty pay cut to move. But the cost of living, especially housing, is much lower than CA. He says everything considered, he's breaking about even.
I agree about the deterioration. I went to California (LA area, a little north, Camarillo)...I couldn't believe the decay of the infrastructure. I hadn't been in nearly 15 years and it was staggering what they've done to that state.
It's pretty bad. Stuck here trying like heck to get out.
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