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Truth or Consequences
Texas Monthly ^ | May 2012 | Joe Hagen

Posted on 04/20/2012 9:30:26 PM PDT by Aria

Eight years ago, Dan Rather broadcast an explosive report on the Air National Guard service of President George W. Bush. It was supposed to be the legendary newsman’s finest hour. Instead, it blew up in his face, tarnishing his career forever and casting a dark cloud of doubt and suspicion over his reporting—and that of every other journalist on the case. This month, as Rather returns with a new memoir, Joe Hagan finally gets to the bottom of the greatest untold story in modern Texas politics, with exclusive, never-before-seen details that shed fresh light on who was right, who was wrong, and what really happened.

(Excerpt) Read more at texasmonthly.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: buckhead; bush; rather
Long article - basically saying that Rather was set up and Buckhead was part of this and admitted it and there actually were typewriters back in the day that would have typed the way we saw on the National Guard report.

This was sent to me by a liberal. Wondering what you guys think. Sounds very far fetched to me - not to mention irrelevant but it is curious.

1 posted on 04/20/2012 9:30:36 PM PDT by Aria
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To: Aria

A LibTurd LSD induced wet dream.


2 posted on 04/20/2012 9:33:38 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Aria

3 posted on 04/20/2012 9:36:24 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: SandRat

Well, one thing it would mean if true is that the GOP is not the Totally Stupid Party.


4 posted on 04/20/2012 9:37:15 PM PDT by Aria ( 2008 wasn't an election - it was a coup d'etat.)
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To: Aria

I read the whole screed after it was posted on FR a few days ago. The author spends 90% of his time bashing Bush and trying to connect dots that can’t be connected, then almost in passing dismisses the “fake but acccurate” forgeries as unimportant because someone dredged up a typewriter from the 70s that has superscripts. Of course, we knew that all along, the point being that the faked documents were FAKES, they never existed in typewritten form. The technical forensic analysis showed the documents were absolutely identical to a modern Word document and no typewriter would have ever produced output that perfectly matched to a computer output 30+ years later.

FAKE Fake fake, Rather is a lying partisan publicity hack who is driven by his steaming pile of ego to try to prove he was an actual journalist before he dies, and he ain’t gonna make it.

Rather’s only purpose on earth has been to create the “Fake but Accurate” standard for left-wing forgery by which future fabrications can be judged.


5 posted on 04/20/2012 9:51:49 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: bigbob

I didn’t realize it was posted here before. Search doesn’t always work.

The whole thing seems really far fetched.


6 posted on 04/20/2012 10:11:40 PM PDT by Aria ( 2008 wasn't an election - it was a coup d'etat.)
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To: Aria
This article is overlong leftist lies and craziness.

There is one key point, deep into the article, where the author finally gets to the point and there his whole argument immediately breaks down:

The morning before the broadcast was scheduled to air, CBS showed the memos to the White House for a response. Dan Bartlett was the network’s contact. Before Bartlett was interviewed, he emailed copies of the memos to Albert Lloyd, Bush’s longtime National Guard expert. In an interview in 2008, Lloyd told me he immediately recognized them as forgeries: “I looked at them and I said, ‘Don’t do a damned thing with these, because these are fake.”

Bartlett, however, appears to have ignored Lloyd’s assessment. When asked by CBS whether he doubted the authenticity of the memos, Bartlett replied, “I’m not saying that at all,” adding that he only questioned the timing of their release. His interpretation of the memos, in fact, was that they “reaffirm what we’ve said all along.”

And so, on September 8, Rather’s report aired on the Wednesday edition of 60 Minutes.

So the article claims that someone in the Bush White House recognized the documents as forgeries right away and says "Don’t do a damned thing with these, because these are fake.". What does that even mean? Then the article claims "Bartlett, however, appears to have ignored Lloyd’s assessment," because he didn't say that the documents were fake. How does that make sense? So CBS uses the documents, claiming that they are real, and then gets in trouble for doing so. But then the article turns around and claims that the objections to the authenticity of the documents proved not to be accurate.

So what is it? Are the documents forgeries or not? The article doesn't say. It notes that the White House concluded that they were fake right away but does not say why. It faults the White House for not warning CBS that the documents were fake and theorizes that it was a deliberate set-up to withhold this assessment. But then the article states that the case against the documents collapsed leaving the impression that they are real.

Only a crazy, evil leftist would claim so many contradictory things at once.

7 posted on 04/20/2012 10:22:11 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: Aria

8 posted on 04/20/2012 10:25:15 PM PDT by Bratch
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To: Aria

this is why I don’t buy Texas Monthly.


9 posted on 04/20/2012 10:40:16 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Bratch

“What’s the frequency, Kenneth?”


10 posted on 04/20/2012 11:00:46 PM PDT by gigster (Cogito, Ergo, Ronaldus Magnus Conservatus)
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To: bigbob
" “Fake but Accurate”"

"There's no evidence so we must investigate."

"If you don't, we'll just nationalize . . . uh."

yitbos

11 posted on 04/20/2012 11:14:45 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." -- Ayn Rand)
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To: Aria

there’s the BS in the story about proportional typewriters existing in 1973. They did, but they ware TYPESETTERS, not used to write memos by secretaries.

Can you imagine a secretary banging out all her memos on a refrigerator sized typesetter costing 100,000$ Didn’t happen. Would never happen.

They STILL are not admitting the papers were FAKE, even after the secretary who supposedly typed them said they were fake!

Who says people are rational creatures? This is certifiable insanity that they won’t let go of


12 posted on 04/20/2012 11:20:08 PM PDT by BereanBrain
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To: BereanBrain

Thanks ....I will use your comment to debunk the liberal.


13 posted on 04/20/2012 11:26:40 PM PDT by Aria ( 2008 wasn't an election - it was a coup d'etat.)
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To: freekitty

Austin is the liberal armpit of Texas. Imagine how they feel when all major state official are Republicans of one sort or another. The irony here is that Bush is closer ideologically to them than the liberal Republican speaker. Once they chose to demonize someone, they refuse to look at exculpatory evidence.


14 posted on 04/21/2012 12:16:22 AM PDT by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: BereanBrain
Agreed, these crazies simply do not like the truth!!!The whole story attempted to cast aspersion on the original conclusions and vindicate Rather based on new revelations. Nothing like that happened as a result of this story. Keep on moving, nothing new here but the same old crybaby horseshxxt.
15 posted on 04/21/2012 12:30:04 AM PDT by ThirstyMan
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To: Aria

“Truth or Consequences” a place in New Mexico?

It always makes me think of: “By mercy and truth iniquity is purged: and by the fear of the LORD men depart from evil.” (Proverbs 16:6)


16 posted on 04/21/2012 1:36:07 AM PDT by LetMarch (If a man knows the right way to live, and does not live it, there is no greater coward. (Anonymous)
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To: Aria

“Truth or Consequences” a place in New Mexico?

It always makes me think of: “By mercy and truth iniquity is purged: and by the fear of the LORD men depart from evil.” (Proverbs 16:6)


17 posted on 04/21/2012 1:36:08 AM PDT by LetMarch (If a man knows the right way to live, and does not live it, there is no greater coward. (Anonymous)
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To: RobbyS

It sure is. Actually, I thought the music was better in Fort Worth; especially the blues.


18 posted on 04/21/2012 1:36:31 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: bigbob
"I read the whole screed after it was posted on FR a few days ago.

FAKE Fake fake, Rather is a lying partisan publicity hack who is driven by his steaming pile of ego to try to prove he was an actual journalist before he dies, and he ain’t gonna make it."

Thanks for reading it. I couldn't waste that much time.
Lt. Dan is a washed up has been never was. He will always be remembered as a liar.

19 posted on 04/21/2012 3:25:29 AM PDT by DeaconRed (Cold War Veteran. . . . US Army Security Agency 1964-1968)
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To: Aria

At the time this was supposedly going down, 1972-1973, I was working in a print shop that had one of the few varieties of machines that would produce right and left justified type directly on paper. One would type a line at a time and after the line was complete, one pushed a button and the machine would print that line on paper. It was slow, clumsy and even an experienced operator made lots of mistakes. No one would have used such a device to type memos.


20 posted on 04/21/2012 3:44:16 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (I like Obamacare because Granny signed the will and I need the cash)
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To: Aria

To a Liberal truth is relative. They seem to have a “Santa Claus” truth...you know, how we tell our kids that Santa is “real” “in a way”. They decide what they want to be true and then adjust things to fit, rather than the other way around, which is belief coming after facts are found.


21 posted on 04/21/2012 6:24:42 AM PDT by Anima Mundi (ENVY IS JUST PASSIVE, LAZY GREED)
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To: Aria

I have a broader objection to the whole issue of bringing up Bush’s military career from the early ‘70’s. This was 2003, Bush had been president for 4 years. Any voter who wanted to consider his ability as Commander in Chief merely needed to review what they knew from the prior 4 years. His time in the TANG was mostly irrelevent by this time for the average voter.

Meanwhile, Kerry, had not been CIC and it was therefore relevent to look at his 70’s military career and those men who knew him, for voters to assess him as CIC.

But the liberal lapdog democrat press ignored the “Swiftboat” guys or discounted their testimony, but when highly dubious memos showed up questioning Bush’s service, these were presented as “Holy Grails” of inside scoop.


22 posted on 04/21/2012 7:20:25 AM PDT by JohnEBoy
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To: Aria

My late father was an Army officer, retired in 1972. He told me that the second they showed those documents on the screen, he knew that they were fakes.


23 posted on 04/21/2012 7:29:46 AM PDT by TexasBarak (He who pays the least- wins!)
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To: Bratch

What’s the frequency Kennith?
I think Dan had many voices in his head.


24 posted on 04/21/2012 9:01:27 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: TexasBarak

I remember somebody saying, on this same forum, that even IF the Texas ANG offices had a typewriter that would create this kind of formatting (which was highly unlikely...the National Guard was still running on bottom-of-the-barrel stuff from the 40s and 50s), that the content itself—the very way it was written—did not fit a military document.


25 posted on 04/21/2012 10:09:11 AM PDT by M1903A1 ("We shed all that is good and virtuous for that which is shoddy and sleazy... and call it progress")
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To: BereanBrain
For the sake of accuracy, IBM designed and manufactured a series of typewriters, the IBM Executive B, C, and D series beginning in 1941, which did in fact provide proportional spaced type for typists in offices. I've owned and used them in the Seventies and Eighties. The forged memos, however, were not produced on an IBM Executive typewriter. The IBM Executive was built with fixed typefaces on the type bars, and the typeface/s used in the memos are what you find used In Microsoft Word, but they were not offered or built into the IBM Executive typewriters.

It is true that the IBM Selectric Composer was introduced in 1966, and it's typefaces could be changed by changing the typeball to produce proportional spaced type. Once more there is the problem with the typeface/s used in the memo being unavailable in the typeballs produced for the IBM Selectric Composer. There is also the impossibility of using the IBM Selectric Composer to produce the automatic kerning of letter pairs seen in the memos.

Contrary to what you can read in Web articles falsely claiming that kerning is the same as or nearly the same as proportional letter spacing, kerning of letter pairs is not something you can find on any typewriter ever built. The only way in which the line spacing of selected letter pairs or true kerning can be done is by typesetting and by computerized digital letter spacing as found in MS Word processing and other computer software. The memos were easily reproducible with MS Word on a personal computer, but impossible to reproduce on an IBM Selectric, IBM Selectric Composer, or and IBM Executive typewriter.

Even if it were possible for an IBM or other type compositor to have produced the typeface/s and letter spacing found in the forged memos, the Air National Guard headquarters and their clerks certainly did not possess or use such machines. Such machines would only have been used in a totally different kind of office whose responsibility would have been to produce graphic designs for Air Force publications. The commanding officer's clerk or secretary certainly would never have had any reason or budgetary appropriation to acquire, use, or maintain such a costly and superfluous piece of graphic arts publishing equipment. I know for a fact that our Air National Guard F-102 Fighter Interceptor Group did not possess or use such a compositor in or outside of the headquarters. I have every reason to assume the Texas Air National Guard acquired their typewriters from the very same supplies of Air Force typewriters as our F-102 Fighter Interceptor Group, Tactical Fighter Wing, and various Air Force wings and squadrons.

I should also be noted how there are numerous other telltale problems with the memos. Although not conclusive by itself, the use of word wrap in the memos should be observed. Most competent typists and secretaries know that you do not break a line where it will separate certain word elements. Instead, the typist breaks the line early to keep the word elements together on the next line. Incompetent typists and computer word processor users fail to notice this requirement windbreak the line in the middle of the pair of word elements. In one of the memos, for example, the date of “14 May, 1972,” was given a line break between the “14” and the “May”, leaving the “14” dangling at the end of one line and the “May” beginning the next line. This is not something a competent secretary would normally do. In a computer word processor, however, the software automatically calculates the end of the line and breaks the line to put “May” on the next line, when a competent user or forger would know better and insert a CTL-Enter command to force the line to break and place the “14” on the next line with the “May” following it. This gives the appearance of a forger who missed something obvious to any competent typist.

Although a Linotype hot lead typesetter was not the only way of composing the type for this type of memo, not even one of these giant hot lead machines would have produced the composing errors found in the memos. The errors we see in these obvious forgeries are consistent with computer word processing which did not exist in 1972.

26 posted on 04/21/2012 3:13:52 PM PDT by WhiskeyX
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A person could spend hours listing and refuting point by point the many flatly incredible lies in the article. Lt.Bush and at least one other lieutenant became superfluous to the needs of the fighter-interceptor group when the Congress drastically reduced the military budgets and his unit's mission was changed from active duty air defense to a combination of an operational training unit and active duty air defense. As an operational training unit, the fighter-interceptor group had to have a certain number of qualified instructor pilots considerably greater than were required when it was not an operational training unit. To be qualified as an instructor pilot requires a certain number of flight hours logged in that specific type of aircraft, e.g. F-102. If I remember correctly, the number of flight hours in the aircraft type may have been 2,000 hours.

The youngest pilots recruited by the fighter-interceptor group did not have any opportunity to accumulate the required number of flight hours to qualify as instructor pilots as required by the changed mission of the fighter-interceptor group. Only the oldest pilot members of the unit had enough flight time in the F-102 to qualify as instructor pilots for this type of aircraft.

Adding to the difficulties, the fighter-interceptor group was ordered to prepare for the retirement of their F-102 fighter-interceptors and replace them with the F-101 McDonnell-Douglas Voodoo fighter-interceptor. This order exacerbated the problems faced by the unit commanders as they tried to comply with their changed mission orders. Now they not only had to acquire a roster of pilots qualified as instructor pilots for the F-102 fighter-interceptor, they now also had to acquire pilots qualified as instructor pilots for the F-101 fighter-interceptor as well.

The fighter-interceptor group must fulfill its mission orders while remaining in the fiscal budget appropriated for its operations. When Congress drastically reduced the budgets for the military, this fighter-interceptor group's budget for number of authorized flight hours was also reduced. This reduction in flight hours created a severe conflict in the ability of the unit to provide the minimum number of hours of flight time required to meet Operational Readiness (OR) standards and regulations. Each pilot is required by regulations to log a certain minimum number of flight hours in any type of aircraft and a certain minimum number of flight hours in a specific aircraft type to maintain pilot proficiency standards. The unit's command was given only a limited number of flight hours for the entire unit and its mission, and these limited flight hours then had to be divided among all the pilots to meet their minimum requirements. The number of flight hours available to the unit as a whole was nowhere near enough to give the unit's current roster of pilots the tens of thousands of hours of flight time needed to qualify as pilot instructors for both the F-102 and the F-101. The only way possible for the unit to meet its mission obligations was to recruit replacement pilots who already had or nearly had the thousands of hours of flight time in the F-102 and/or F-101 fighter-interceptors required to qualify as instructor pilots for the changed mission orders.

The only source for these replacement instructor pilots were the older pilots in the Air Force active duty squadrons who had already been flying the F-102 and/or F-101 fighter-interceptors for enough years to log near to or more than 2,000 flight hours. Since the Deomocrat majority in Congress forced the inactivation of a large proportion of the active duty Air Force squadrons, there were many long experienced F-102 and F-101 pilots who the Air Force had to separate from active military service due to a lack of a budget, aircraft seats, and aircraft. The Air Force headquarters encouraged the 147th Fighter-Interceptor Group and the 111th Fighter-Interceptor Squadron to recruit these experienced pilots separated early from active duty to become their new instructor pilots.

Although the recruitment of the replacement instructor pilots being separated from the active duty Air force resolved the instructor pilot problem for the Air National Guard units, it also created another conflict and problem. The Air Force regulations until a few years later did not permit the units to offer its younger pilots early separation from their commissions. There were only enough flight hours in the unit budgets to allow the replacement instructor pilots, the trainees, and the active duty air defense sorties to perform their missions. There simply was no budget of any meaningful size remaining to allow the pilots not rated as instructor pilots to log even their minimum flight hours required to remain on flight status. Consequently, the unit commanders were compelled to ask these younger pilots to attempt to find other Air Force Ready Reserve units in the Air National Guard or Air Force Reserves where they could fulfill their remaining service commitments either on flight status as a pilot or on non-flight status behind a desk on the ground. This attempt to resolve the problem also ran into a number of stonewalls with regulations that failed to anticipate the problems arising from such a massive RIF (Reduction In Force). The other units in the Air National Guard and Air Force Reserves had much the same problem of having more people on their rosters than their reduced sized budgets would allow them to retain on their personnel rosters.

Consequently, the 147th FIG and 110FIS like many other Air Force, Air Force Reserve, and Air National Guard units of the time encouraged the personnel they could no longer employ to seek another unit where they could fulfill their service commitments until such time as their commitment expired or the Air Force regulations were changed to permit early separation for the good of the service.

Lt. Bush was too young to ever have acquired the number of flight hours required to remain i his unit as an instructor pilot. He was also too young to have completed his combat flight training in time to qualify for an assignment to air combat in the Vietnam Conflict. The Democrats in Congress forced an end to the U.S. defense of South Vietnam before Lt Bush could possibly have qualified for a combat assignment. If John Kerry had been the same age as Lt. Bush, he too would have been too young to have received an assignment to the U.S. Navy Swiftboats, which were transferred to the RVN navy in 1970. Kerry volunteered to bug out, whereas Lt. Bush was forced out of his assignment as a combat pilot by the Democrats in Congress who denied his combat unit the budget for his assigned mission.

All the rest of the twisted misrepresentations of what happened all stems from his unit being unable to make any further use of the services of F-102 pilots of Bush's age and flight hours. Lt, Bush was never AWOL and was quite properly granted an honorable discharge well deserved. Special treatment was not required to enlist in the Air National Guard, which accepted enlistments and granted commissions even when comparable assignments were not being offered by active duty Air Force recruiters. The article is just one large lie and defamatory smear.

27 posted on 04/21/2012 4:44:30 PM PDT by WhiskeyX
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