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Some interesting comments.

1 posted on 04/18/2012 9:24:46 PM PDT by smokingfrog
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2 posted on 04/18/2012 9:27:48 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: smokingfrog

Dear U.K.

Get over it. American riflemen and natural born patriotic freemen kicked your ass. Let it go.


3 posted on 04/18/2012 9:35:20 PM PDT by Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh (I cling to guns and religion.)
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To: smokingfrog

Fomenting racism won’t give leftist Britons (see source of article) any edge against our Second Amendment. Most US Democrat voters are now also in favor of our right to bear arms. Firearms are in style.


5 posted on 04/18/2012 9:41:09 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: smokingfrog
An intro to another of the newspaper employee's columns.

Trayvon Martin: a killing too far

Outrage at the death of Trayvon Martin is finally lifting the lid on the US's racist underbelly

Get I wonder how he would introduce a story about the killing of whites by blacks.. killings that occur many times more often the whites killing blacks. Maybe something like..

"Brother scores one for us victims against the gun-lovin' honky mf'ers"

7 posted on 04/18/2012 9:45:35 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: smokingfrog

Interesting, to say the least-one MORON thinks thousands of “armed Americans” will be in London for the Olympics. How will they GET there with a handgun- they won’t let you board an aircraft with one!


8 posted on 04/18/2012 9:46:19 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: smokingfrog

Consider the source:

Gary Younge, speaker at the Marxism 2012 Festival:
http://www.marxismfestival.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=166&Itemid=104

Guardian columnist Gary Younge returns to Marxism this year to look at Obama’s first year and a half in power and the response it has drawn from the US right. He will also introduce a discussion around identity, the subject of his new book.
http://www.uk420.com/boards/index.php?showtopic=224420

Communist University:
Riots are a class act - and often they’re the only alternative by Gary Younge
http://amadlandawonye.wikispaces.com/2005-11-16,+Riots+are+a+class+act,+Gary+Younge,+Guardian


11 posted on 04/18/2012 9:52:04 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: smokingfrog

“The right to bear arms shall not be infringed”. The word “shall” carries the force of law. The government, bound by the Constitution, is required to abide by the law, period. May the powers to be ignore Constitutional law at their own peril. If they break the laws, they pay the price.


12 posted on 04/18/2012 9:52:21 PM PDT by factoryrat (e are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: smokingfrog

After reading the (typically, I’m sorry to say) supercilious anti-gun screed of this resident Brit, and quite a few of the comments that followed by his countrymen, I’m reminded of an encounter I had with one of our allies:
Me (paraphrasing my creaky memory): “In this country we consider ourselves to be citizens, with express rights enumerated in our Constitution. You guys have no written Constitution and still consider yourselves to be `subjects.’”
His response: “I don’t consider myself to be a subject.”
My reply: “Then I charge you with treason to the crown and award you the title of `Honorary American’.”

As much as I value our alliance with our cousins, this was probably my favorite comment:
“Isn’t the Atlantic Ocean wonderful?”


16 posted on 04/18/2012 10:02:51 PM PDT by tumblindice (Christopher Hitchens, RIP)
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To: smokingfrog

The Lefts lies are really getting old and tiresome.


19 posted on 04/18/2012 10:08:24 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: smokingfrog

Title needs barf alert.

I made a mess.

Thank You. :)


24 posted on 04/18/2012 10:20:24 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: smokingfrog

Brits still can’t handle we beat their asses. Without guns we’d still be subjects to the damn queen.


25 posted on 04/18/2012 10:49:23 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: smokingfrog
The trouble is that, left in the hands of individuals, each gets to define their own version of tyranny and potentially undermine democracy with their firearms.

Hardly. One or even ten guys alone aren't going to decide to overthrow the government and succeed in anything but suicide by cop. "Democracy" is undermined by politicians who don't give a flying fig about the rule of law.

27 posted on 04/18/2012 10:51:43 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: smokingfrog

Where’s the barf alert?


28 posted on 04/18/2012 10:52:43 PM PDT by wastedyears (There can be only one.)
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To: smokingfrog

Dear Mr. Younge, you Marxist pimple on humanity’s arse, our forefather’s unerringly saw the wisdom of maintaining a right to keep and bear arms and threw the British boot heel off of our throats because of it. Now it rests on yours because you were too weak and deluded to keep your government masters from taking all means of resisting them from you. In fact you were so stupid you helped them. Enjoy your subjugation!


29 posted on 04/18/2012 11:07:27 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: smokingfrog
...in a country with high levels of inequality, poverty and segregation, such as America...

Lying propagandist. What more needs to be said?

30 posted on 04/18/2012 11:15:57 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: smokingfrog

“Missouri representative Jeanette Oxford, who represents a district in St Louis, disagrees. “From the outset violence was enforced with weapons of various kinds in North America,” she says. “I think the ability to enforce your right through might is ingrained in us.”

The strong can’t tyranize the weak if, and only if, the weak are armed.

Rep Jeantte Oxford is a Democrap, of course. Her position is satirized by her own appearance - rather obese and fitting for a Democratic “Trough Feeder”.


31 posted on 04/18/2012 11:39:22 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: smokingfrog

As Muslims, political correctness and cultural diversity destroy the UK, the time will come when the victims will wish they were armed.


36 posted on 04/19/2012 12:42:39 PM PDT by pallis
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To: smokingfrog
I read the whole thing. I know the Brit press hates guns and gun owners, no news there. But the real takeway for me is this:

OPSEC, PEOPLE!

For God's sake, why would you discuss SHTF if front of some stranger with a Britsh accent?? Why would you pass the only black guy in the room-and a perfect stranger to boot-a note referencing the Black Panthers?? Some of us, me included, are still treating our politics like a game. It is not: it is deadly serious and the other guys are playing for keeps. They ARE taking names. Loose lips sink ships and also destroy careers, families and ultimately lives. Just a couple of suggestions based on the article:

1. Don't talk guns, prepping, SHTF, race or anti-guv within earshot of ANYONE you don't know well. This goes double for gun shows/shops. No matter where you are anybody from the ATF to the NYPD to some little sh*t reporter from a British newspaper could be listening. Just because you are among friends doesn't mean a thing. Look around. See who is listening, or who could be listening. Don't suppose that because someone is at the next table that he can't hear you.

2. Get over the idea that this stuff is fun to chat about and cool stop treating it like a hobby. The French Resistance wasn't in it for fun...if they'd been yukking it up in the Parisian cafes about those great new Sten guns the British had sent over the Nazis would have had them all rounded up inside of a week. As far as everyone outside INCLUDING FAMILY is concerned, you don't prep, you don't own any modern guns and you may not be thrilled with Obama but politics is no big deal. You'd rather talk about sports, or horticulture, or Shackleton's failed Antarctic expedition or ANYTHING other than guns or prepping or SHTF. "Keep it secret, keep it safe."

3. Cops get nothing until your lawyer is present. Reporters get nothing, ever. If you see cameras or microphones, skedaddle.

3A. If you want to dance around in front of the media and protest with empty holsters or open carry or whatnot, that is fine as long as you are mentally and physically prepared to not reveal what you know under torture, and to die in agony without revealing said information. Count the cost. Is it worth it? What about others?

We are acting like kids playing an adult game. It's a good way to lose.

42 posted on 04/19/2012 12:39:30 PM PDT by jboot
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