[VeniVidiVici]

Anybody know if they ever reported autopsy results? Looking for GSR and tox.

[biggredd1]

they are saying george had a depraved mind to issue 2nd degree.

[FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs]

Corey the coward kicks the can down the road..

[Paladin2]

"782.04(2), 775.087(1) and 775.087(2), Florida Statutes"

Anybody got to relevant texts?

[cynwoody]

Folks have noted that Stand Your Ground doesn't seem to apply when you've got a guy sitting on you and pounding your head into the pavement.

However, Florida's version of SYG has an interesting twist: It grants Zimmerman a try at getting the whole thing thrown out before it can get started. Blogs law professor Adam Winkler:

Traditionally, one claiming self-defense would have the opportunity to raise that defense at trial before a jury. In Florida, however, the Stand Your Ground law gives defendants like Zimmerman the right to a pre-trial hearing to challenge his indictment. At this special pre-trial hearing, which will occur long before any jury trial, Zimmerman will have the opportunity to present evidence to a judge showing he acted in self-defense. If he can show that he was acting in self-defense by a "preponderance of the evidence" -- legalese for "it's more likely than not" -- then the charges against him will be dropped and he'll never face a jury. That burden of proof is not very demanding and requires a showing far less demanding than the "beyond a reasonable doubt" test used in criminal trials ordinarily.

Let's hope he has a fair judge, who doesn't give a damn what the American sheeple think!

[yarddog]

The woman I saw on TV looked like a female Nifong.

She needs for someone to kick her hard in the ass and keep kicking.

[tobyhill]

Since the Black Panthers got involved with this case, it would only be fair that Zimmermann got to seat some KKK members on the jury.

[biggredd1]

“depraved mind” needed...
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/04/11/2743404/second-degree-murder-charge-may.html

[hoosiermama]

Been thinking about this. Corey had no other way to get evidence, witness statement and forensic in front of the public except to charge him. Overcharged? IMO, yes.

A lawyer after the C Anthony case explained that the prosecutor lost that case not because of anything in the trial, but in the charge. Jury could not down grade to a lessor. How does the Fl legal process work? Is it too set up for Zimmerman to win?

[Scoutmaster]

"Depraved mind." She's charging him with a Florida Statutes 782.04(2) Second Degree Murder, what some states call 'depraved indifference.' It's not the 782.04(3) that some people are trying to pin on 'aggravated stalking' (which doesn't apply to Zimmerman, because there was never a restraining order, etc.).

My guess is that she's going to say he was obsessed with intruders, as evidenced by all of his calls, and his statement about how all of these guys 'get away,' when Martin was running away. She'll try to play that into Zimmerman being indifferent to Martin's safety because he was so obsessed - and that he somehow wasn't justified taking a gun with him simply because a lot of property crimes had occurred.

just my guess as to where she's going.

[plain talk]

"COUNT I: IN THE COUNTY OF SEMINOLE, STATE OF FLORIDA, on February 26, 2012, GEORGE ZIMMERMAN, did unlawfully and by an act imminently dangerous to another, and evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life, although without any premeditated design to effect the death of any particular individual, kill TRA YVON MARTIN, a human being under the age of eighteen, by shooting the said victim, and during the commission of the aforementioned Second Degree Murder, the said GEORGE ZIMMERMAN did carry, display, use, threaten to use or attempt to use a firearm and did actually possess and discharge a firearm and as a result of the discharge, death or great bodily harm was inflicted upon any person, contrary to the provisions of Sections 782.04(2), 775.087(1) and 775.087(2), Florida Statutes."

I would love to see my Junior High School grammar teacher "diagram" this sentence. Apparently there is some rule that they can't utilize separate sentences. The charge must be constructed as one long ass sentence. LOL.

[yarddog]

My Grandfather killed a man around the turn of the century in Florida. He was innocent but far more active in killing the guy who first fired 5 shots at him than Zimmerman was.

Grandpa was convicted of manslaughter with a recommendation of mercy and the judge gave him 20 years. Fortunately the Governor gave him a full pardon because an injustice had been done.

I would hope Governor Scott would do the same thing for Zimmerman if he is wrongly convicted.

[yarddog]

My Grandfather killed a man around the turn of the century in Florida. He was innocent but far more active in killing the guy who first fired 5 shots at him than Zimmerman was.

Grandpa was convicted of manslaughter with a recommendation of mercy and the judge gave him 20 years. Fortunately the Governor gave him a full pardon because an injustice had been done.

I would hope Governor Scott would do the same thing for Zimmerman if he is wrongly convicted.

[Kansas58]

It is a sad day when you have to go to Court to “prove” your innocence.

However, Zim might be better off, with a Court case behind him.

And, what are the chances that a few 17 year olds, of any color, might shoot and kill a few people between now and the trial date?

It is OUR JOB to make those homicides PUBLIC!

High School kids are often brutal.

In Chicago, a HS campus is the most dangerous place to be!

[sargon]

Depending on the evidence, this could turn out to be the trial of the century. I know that I will certainly be paying attention!

[sport]

It will be a kangeroo court.

[princeofdarkness]

I feel bad for George Zimmerman. I truly this guy was truly looking out for his community as attested by his activism on behalf of the AA homeless man who was previously beaten up in the nearby area. He was not looking for trouble that night when ran he ran across this “upstanding” citizen Trayvon Martin. He probably had good suspicions about this kid. I’m afraid with good reason he will not be treated fairly in a trial.

That being said, if he should somehow manage to be exonerated, he should think long and hard at his affiliation with the Democratic Party. If anything, he should examine the treatment he has received by his so-called fellow liberals and realize he has been used as a useful idiot for the cause. Hopefully, he will truly become a liberal turned conservative who has been mugged by reality.

[CottShop]

[[GEORGE ZIMMERMAN, did unlawfully and by an act imminently dangerous to another,]]

Absolute bull shit- following someone is NOT an act imminently dangerous to anyone

[[and evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life,]]

Whwen did that happen? WHILE George was having his head bashed agaisnt hte sidewalk?

[[although without any premeditated design to effect the death of any particular individual,]]

So, apparently George has a ‘depaived mind’ according to corey, but in his ‘depraved’ condition, george was apparently still lucid enoguh to decide not to kill martin? But but but I thought, according to hte black comunity, that george hunted down martin with the express intent of killing him?

[[and during the commission of the aforementioned Second Degree Murder, the said GEORGE ZIMMERMAN did carry, display, use, threaten to use or attempt to use a firearm]]

And corey in her infinate wisom and psychic abilities has determined this how again? How has she determiend who held the gun, pulled the trigger, or whether or not george was simpyl tryign to wrestle the gun back from trayvon after trayvon went for the gun with an express probable intent to use it on george when it went off?

[[and did actually possess and discharge a firearm and as a result of the discharge, death or great bodily harm was inflicted upon any person]]

And htis is against hte law when standing your ground agaisnt someone who was tryign to kill zimmerman? and how again does corey know it was zimmerman who discharged the gun and notr soem accidental discharge? Even if zimmerman was the oen to discharge, did he not have the right to do so in order to protect his own life agaqisntr someone trying to murder him? IF he infact DID have the right to discharge the gun, then why in the hell is he beign arrested? On What Charges?

Corey had to INVENT charges, assume unkowns, and make stuff up agaisnt Zimmerman in order to have him arrested

[Jack Hydrazine]

Political Charge? This May Be Prosecutor’s Biggest Mistake
http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=204615

[Conservative Vermont Vet]

...."although without any premeditated design to effect the death of any particular individual, kill TRA YVON MARTIN, a human being under the age of eighteen....

Anyone have any insight on whether the age of the vic has any bearing on this charge?