Posted on 04/03/2012 5:24:56 PM PDT by newzjunkey
The Democrats voting for Santorum are big government big labor Democrats that are dissatisfied with Obama.
I have friends in a similar situation. Very conservative, esp. on social issues (staunchly pro-life, etc.) but work in a union job because it’s pretty much a must in their area and field.
It’s been my experience that there are a lot of union members who are good, hardworking folks. It’s just that most union leaderships are happy to protect the ones that aren’t as long as they cough up their dues.
Got to watch a little bit of Fox...man oh man...can they spin any more for Myth? Woo hoo!!! He took Wisconsin at 42%!!! Yippee!!!! Oh...and by the (mumbles) Santorum took 38% Paul 12% and Gingrich 6%...but Obamney...what a guy! What a front runner! What a mess...
66 percent STILL ARE NOT VOTING FOR MR. FRONTRUNNER. But keep spinning Fox and Tokyo Rove must be dosed with RINO proportioned Anti-Vert for the circles he goes in sporting his Myth.
Santorum keeps pointing out “you cannot win with a candidate who is just a little different” than Obama. When will CONSERVATIVES ever learn that???
See Linda Frances’s post 176 for Satorum’s Conservative Street Cred. It’s pretty impressive.
I’ll pray for you (and Rick!) promise!!! And thank you for your efforts!!!
Not for me..nope.
Time to get over it.
thank you for that. I can't, I just can't explain the numbers to them again, one more time, or Santorum's anti-Tea-Party fiscal record, or anything else for that matter. I have given up - Not on Newt - but on ever changing a Santorum supporter's mind. There is something very wrong there - and I like your diagnosis...
did Newt give any kind of speech tonight? I heard he did but none of the networks covered it...
Thank you...I’ll say my last, as well.
Obama has been horrible all along, but this past week or two he’s been scaring me to death. And I started to wonder, what should I do? What would God have me do? As much as I detest Romney and his liberalism, I thought about how much Obama hates Israel, and I know that’s very serious in God’s eyes. I was getting confused about whether I should cast a vote for Romney though I know it would be wrong. So I did some praying...poured out my heart to God, told Him I didn’t know what to do, and asked Him to show me.
Very soon afterward I signed onto FR and saw a post by a pastor. My eyes went straight to one sentence (and I’m paraphrasing): “If, as a Christian, you vote for Romney, you are making a choice for a man who signed abortion into law. This is a sin that will be upon your soul.”
I knew it all along; I never needed to be convinced. But I believe that was God hearing my prayer and giving me the affirmation I needed when I was going weak. I feel now that God will take care of Israel; they don’t need me, or Romney, or anyone else.
As a Christian, my responsibility is to God, before country or anything else. I can’t be part of the Romney mess.
Romney a pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage, pro big-healthcare liberal....
Just a few reasons I will not get behind him in the general if he gets the Primary.....
Just read he’s already smooshing with Obama and ignoring Santorum.....I will not ‘support’ Romney in the General because I will not support abortion, gay marriage or romney care...and a host of other issues he’ll be pushing.
Gosh! Why didn’t I think of just “getting over it?!?” I mean what’s the future of our Republic? I should just stand down and acquiesce...and vote for Myth...and enjoy ObamneyCare; and start liking gay marriage and abortion and...
NEVER!!! Romney might be a great venture Capitist; quasi creative pet owner; and all around swell guy...but he is NOT A CONSERVATIVE. HE NEVER HAS BEEN AND HE NEVER WILL BE!!!
"Sounds like you don't like Christians." -- that's always the fallback position for Santorum supporters when someone says they object to Santorum bringing his theology to the government... I am a christian, and here are my religious reasons for NOT NOW OR EVER supporting Santorum.
"On Santorum: No, I’ve never met him. I’ve read about him, some of the corruption he is associated with, I’ve watched him, I’ve listened when he was disrespectful to his mentor for political expediency’s sake. I study his voting record. I know a charity of his gathered millions of dollars, and only spent 32% of their funds on the poor, for whose benefit the charity was formed; and that the normative ethical ratio is for most charities to spend 82% of their funds on their targeted constituency - while most of Santorum’s donations went to give his political friends cushy “charity” jobs. Good Neighbor, I think it was called.
I listened as this so-called “good” Christian man stood on a stage and said his character was the quality of character that Americans needed in the White House, unlike the character of others who had personal baggage in their past, without once mentioning the forgiving saving transforming power of Jesus Christ, who is the center of the faith Sanctimonium so piously professes to live by... and sets his principles upon...
If you are not a Christian, you can’t really appreciate what is so appalling and galling about the man, in light of true christians, who don’t abrogate the work of Christ with attempts at self righteousness attained by their outside of the cup persona and behaviors..
What you are doing, and why so many sincere Christians have great problems with Santorum, is he, as well as you, overlook how the transformative power an encounter with the True Christ impacts a man’s entire soul and being; he becomes a new creature in Christ Jesus, old things pass away, all things are made new.
Newt has confessed his sins, said he did things he is ashamed of, has sought to make reconciliation with the members of his family, and others he has hurt. He has blamed no one else but himself. He has come to a new and apparently cleansing faith in Christ Jesus and, most importantly, there is no evidence of any of the same behavioral sins in his life since this long journey of his repentance, rebirth, and renewal began.
And, yet, people cannot let the man leave his past behind. After 20 years - think of it - 20 years - there are still a majority of people in the press, politics - Santorum, and a lot of his supporters - who consider Newt the same man he was 20 years ago, and dare he try to take one step away from his past, to step into the new, as his faith promises him he can, they are there loudly, hypocritically, self-righteously to pull him right back. They won’t let him step away from his sinful past, though no apparent evidence of that sinful past exists any longer, or any evidence that he is the same man he was 20 years ago. He is being judged as the man he was - while that man no longer exists. He is, I repeat, a new creature in Christ Jesus.
Finally, Christians, who truly fully embrace and receive the saving work of Christ, who are transformed deeply, understand that Newt could have done all those things back then, even worse, and still today be a new creature in Christ Jesus - but no one, not Santorum, nor his minions, will allow for that, or accept that might ever be true.
So, the final finally: it says more about the people who can’t let Newt be this new creature many believing Christians trust he is, if only because they are likewise sinners, great sinners, saved and transformed by the same power that Newt claims has saved and transformed him.
It is religious bigotry, hard hearts, and people like Santorum, who behaviorally have hit many of the right notes in their outward lives, though it is hard to believe that is extensively true - I am sure we will find out - whose self-righteousness - whose pride in their outward manifestations of sinlessness, and acceptable conduct, that causes believing Christians to distance themselves from him, to see him as a hypocrite, saved more by his self-perceived good works than the miraculous, healing work of a Perfect Savior, by his love and tender mercy, towards those who are fully unworthy.
Santorum is about none of that, he is about a gospel of works and self denial, of earned salvation. Newt is simply a sinner being saved by by the gift of grace, he could never earn or be worthy of... through no goodness of his own... the same as most of those Christians who can’t support Santorum’s apostasy."
Wonderful post, Catherine! I have skimmed the thread being a later poster. I expected the “St. Rick” swipes...but one post me stop in my tracks...flippantly someone wrote RS isn’t running for President...he is running for Christ. You can take THAT two ways...and I am taking of that he is running in the “spirit” true to his faith and convictions.
You and the RINOs running the GOP are going to be taught a long, hard lesson about what happens when the Republican nominee isn't conservative.
Destroying Romney and keeping the Republican party from drifting to the left is more important than booting Obama out of the White House.
Catherine...you have not been alone in soul searching on the issue of Romney....I will not support him either. We are indeed accountable to God for those we support and we know with Romney you will never know with any certainty... which side he’ll come down on...if push comes to shove he’ll go with abortion, gay marraige and all the other issues which will serve his desires.
So nope I’ll not vote for Romney in the General..not going to happen.
A Romney flop in the election and four years of a backlash against a lame-duck, Marxist President will make it clear that the Republican party and nation needs to return to conservatism.
Correct. That means eight years without a conservative in the White House and shrinking Republican minorities in Congress while Romney is in office, all while Romney works with RINOs and Democrats on "bipartisan" legislation.
Yes, on surface it looks seriously conservative (as Romney also claims he is). However those are percentages, and it is not explained how they arrived at those percentages. It is subject to their interpretations.
What I listed are ACTUAL votes by Rick in US Senate. No interpretation required. I will support Newt until he declares he is no longer in the race. Who would you prefer seeing in one-on-one debates with Obama? The election will hinge on those debates because 40 million+ will tune in and for many of them it will be the first time they learn about the candidates. If Newt drops out and if Romney has not reached 1144, only then I can reluctantly support Rick.
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