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Government to deploy Patriot missiles in Tokyo
Japan Today ^ | National Mar. 26, 2012

Posted on 03/26/2012 8:54:28 AM PDT by DeaconBenjamin

Japan is to deploy surface-to-air missiles in central Tokyo in readiness for North Korea’s planned rocket launch, Defense Minister Naoki Tanaka said Monday.

The siting of an anti-missile battery in the densely packed capital city would be in addition to facilities on the southern island chain of Okinawa, Tanaka told lawmakers.

“We are working on procedures to deploy the Patriot in the Tokyo metropolitan area, acting on precedent,” Tanaka told upper house members, referring to the PAC-3 surface-to-air missile defense system.

“We are also preparing to deploy the Patriot in the Nansei (southwestern) islands including Okinawa,” as the second stage of North Korea’s rocket is expected to fly over Japan’s southernmost island chain, Tanaka added.

The nuclear-armed North has announced it will launch a rocket in mid-April to put a satellite into orbit, a move the United States, South Korea and other nations see as a pretext for a long-range missile test banned by the U.N.

Tanaka said he was readying Japan’s missile defense systems to shoot down the rocket if it looked set to fall on the country, a move similar to measures Japan took in 2009 before Pyongyang’s last long-range rocket launch.

In 2009, Japan ordered missile-defense preparations, including the siting of one of its PAC-3 systems at Ichigaya, next to the defense ministry building in central Tokyo.

The preparations by Japan, regularly the target of North Korean barbs, come as world leaders including U.S. President Barack Obama are meeting in Seoul for a summit officially focused on nuclear terrorism.

Obama urged North Korea’s leaders Monday to “have the courage to pursue peace,” while South Korea has said it is also preparing to shoot down the North Korean rocket if it strays into the South’s territory.

The 2009 rocket launch, which North Korea said was also aimed at putting a satellite into orbit, passed over Japan without incident or any attempt to shoot it down.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Japan
KEYWORDS: bho44; bhoasia; nknukes; northkorea

1 posted on 03/26/2012 8:54:33 AM PDT by DeaconBenjamin
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Shoot. It. Down. ($10 says they won’t, again.)


2 posted on 03/26/2012 8:59:30 AM PDT by carriage_hill (I'll "vote for an orange juice can", over Barry 0bummer and another 4yrs of his Regime From Hell!)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Isn’t that pointless?

At what altitude does a MIRV warhead in an airblast explode?

How high can a Patriot go?


3 posted on 03/26/2012 9:08:29 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Tokyo is a pretty crowded place.
Wonder where they’ll park these rockets ?


4 posted on 03/26/2012 9:08:53 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Beware the Sweater Vest)
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To: DeaconBenjamin
I don't think they would be very effective


5 posted on 03/26/2012 9:11:29 AM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: GeronL
At what altitude does a MIRV warhead in an airblast explode?

Depends on what kind of damage they want to do. But 5-10 km tends to be the best range for blast damage. If you are primarily interested in radiation or EMP you can set them off all the way up into space. How high can a Patriot go?

A PAC-2 has an engagement altitude of 24km. The PAC-3 has only a 15km altitude so it depends on what they are shooting. In either case if the NCs are going for a normal blast damage shot it is will within the engagement envelope of either missile.

This of course misses the bigger point. The Patriot is a point defense missile. If they aim at anything other than Tokyo they won't do a darn bit of good.
6 posted on 03/26/2012 9:33:20 AM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: DeaconBenjamin; maikeru; Dr. Marten; Eric in the Ozarks; Al Gator; snowsislander; sushiman; ...
While there may be some limited space to "deploy" a few Patriot missiles within the Ministry of Defense compound, launching without adequate warning may result in some collateral damage in the immediate vicinity.

日本 ピング  (kono risuto ni hairitai ka detai wo shirasete kudasai : let me know if you want on or off this list)

7 posted on 03/26/2012 9:38:43 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: DTogo; DeaconBenjamin
There's plenty of room in front of the Imperial Palace.


8 posted on 03/26/2012 9:49:22 AM PDT by cll (I am the warrant and the sanction)
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To: GeronL
Patriots don't go very high. A Patriot interceptor is only going to knock the missile down only if it actually descends down on Japan.

If you want to hit a NorK missle that is at higher altitudes you either need THAAD or an Aegis-guided SM-3. More info here on this video.

Pic of SM-3 at liftoff.


9 posted on 03/26/2012 9:51:07 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: DTogo

I was thinking of the roof of Takashimaya’s...


10 posted on 03/26/2012 10:38:29 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Beware the Sweater Vest)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Unfortunately, we succeeded in doing to post WWII Japan what the Allies had tried to do to Germany after World War I. I think we would have been better off with a stronger ally in the region.


11 posted on 03/26/2012 11:10:35 AM PDT by Brass Lamp
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To: GeronL

“How high can a Patriot go?”

Thank you. The Japanese are going ballistic (pun intended) over this, bordering on the hysterical.

The Nork missile would be 60 miles overhead and on its second stage by the time it passed over Japan, which it is very unlikely to do. No Patriot would reach it.

The Norks have declared that they will be launching on a southern route that would pass between Japan and Okinawa, way too high for any Patriots.

We do have some AEGIS cruisers that could knock it down right off the S Korean coast.


12 posted on 03/26/2012 11:38:10 AM PDT by gandalftb (The art of diplomacy says "nice doggie", until you find a bigger rock.)
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To: gandalftb

Aegis SM-3s have kill vehicles that are not aerodynamic and are incapable of intercepting anything in the atmosphere.

And current SM-3s do not have the ability to intercept an ICBM in ascent phase, and can’t reach the altitude one flies at in midcourse.

See slide 15:

http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2011IAMD/Pandolfe.pdf

The SM-3 Blk IIB can get an ICBM in ascent, but those won’t IOC till 2018 at best.

So there is absolutely nothing we or the Japanese have that can shoot down this launch unless it has an early malfunction and falls towards Japan, OR it is aimed towards Alaska - the GBIs there would have a chance.


13 posted on 03/26/2012 11:51:49 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Strategerist

The hysteria has gotten even worse:

The PAC-3 system will be placed adjacent to Defense Ministry HQ in Ichigaya (Tokyo). The Japanese are going to put a Patriot battery in the parking lot next to their “Pentagon”.

I am so sure they want to launch a missile from there, LOL.


14 posted on 03/26/2012 1:04:28 PM PDT by gandalftb (The art of diplomacy says "nice doggie", until you find a bigger rock.)
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To: DeaconBenjamin; AmericanInTokyo; Ronin; TigersEye

“We raunch patriotu and stoppu Koleans shooting at Japan Tenyo!”

You must rememeber that the last Korean shot offended the kami and caused the last horrid earthquake and tsunami!

The Koreans are shooting at the kami of Japan.!

Very bad!

A pleemtib stlike is bettah!


15 posted on 03/27/2012 4:20:17 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascist info....http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: gandalftb

To spank the monkey here (i.e. whip Kim Jong Un’s “Happy Birthday Grandfather Kim Il Sung” Taepodong-3’s mother scratchin’ as*) we need a plausible territorial incursion. That will only occur from the South Korean’s perspective. That means they need to shoot it down if it in any way goes over the various South Korean islands just off the coast of North Korea, and they could reach it I believe. The only other solution is to fire at errant, offcourse and threatening reentry fragments of it, once they/it came down near Okinawa,Japan (if they did go in that direction) but it is more bluff than anything else. However, all the more impetus to develop a system to shoot these sons of bitches down at such high altitudes and rapid trajectories, something which is not possible right now. Let’s see what the NOTAMs are coming out soon, any warnings by DPRK to international maritime or aviation organizations. You can bet Cobra Ball, Rivet Joint and KH-11B (or “Son of KH-11”, i.e. KH-12), etc. are watching closely. I personally would love nothing more than the target to be destroyed ON THE LAUNCH PAD by our teams, but that of course, would be a) an act of war and b) very risky, might not get the team back, and c) it is not October with poll ratings that suck, so Obama would not risk it.


16 posted on 03/27/2012 6:11:14 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Feigning past support for a candidate (w/no posting history of it), then suddenly "withdrawing it"?)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

BTW, NK has assembled the 3 stage missile on the launch pad and finished fueling connection to the gantry.


17 posted on 03/27/2012 7:15:40 AM PDT by gandalftb (The art of diplomacy says "nice doggie", until you find a bigger rock.)
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To: gandalftb

Let’s hope for an explosion on the pad.


18 posted on 03/27/2012 7:42:23 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Feigning past support for a candidate (w/no posting history of it), then suddenly "withdrawing it"?)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
I believe their concern is IF the NK booster fails and there's a risk the vehicle may come down short on Japanese territory. In that case, Patriot could be used to break up the vehicle and disperse fuel/oxidizer high enough to reduce risk to civilians.

A lot of "ifs", "ands", or "buts", I know. But considering the explosive power contained in a fully-fueled rocket stage and the failure rates associated with booster development, perhaps a not-unwarrented concern.

19 posted on 03/27/2012 8:15:15 AM PDT by Jonah Hex ("To Serve Manatee" is a cookbook!)
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To: Candor7
The nuclear-armed North has announced it will launch a rocket in mid-April to put a satellite into orbit, a move the United States, South Korea and other nations see as a pretext for a long-range missile test banned by the U.N.

A pretext? If putting a satellite in orbit doesn't qualify as a long-range missile test then what the heckity hook does? Sounds like a step beyond to me.

20 posted on 03/27/2012 1:43:45 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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