Skip to comments.Rick Santorum: If I Win The Illinois Primary, I Win The Nomination
Posted on 03/17/2012 7:04:37 PM PDT by Steelfish
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I'm sure the next two Justices that Obama picks for the SCOTUS will be glad to hear it.
I can't stand Romney, but I loathe Obama. The choice is clear if it comes down to that.
Anybody but Obama.
Some people are concerned that Santorum might have an optics problem, that liberals could too easily make it look like he is trying to baptize government into the church, which of course he would not do (any more than he did in Congress).
But if Gingrich can’t squeak it, it looks like Santorum is the only other who makes sense, and he will just have to deal with the unfair liberal optics as they come.
Give it a rest, psycho. You’d better be praying Santorum gets the nomination because otherwise it’s Romney.
He’s not my first choice either, but I not only see the handwriting on the wall, I can actually read it.
When I see a post like that, it makes me despair for the country, for the intellect on Free Republic ...
Is anybody even paying attention to Obama running roughshod over everything and ignoring congress and the people.
I’ll crawl over hard dirt to vote for Romney or anyone else who is our candidate and I pray that the stupidity expressed by some here is not universal.
“If Rick Santorum wins the nomination, the GOP is insane.”
That is without a doubt one of the most idiotic statements I’ve seen in a while. As if nominating a social conservative (both Reagan and George W. were) would guarantee us losing. History shows this is not the case.
No, the real insanity is the GOPe pushing this socialist who wrote the precursor to Obamacare. In an election where our future is at stake, the freedoms we will pass along to the next generation, repealing Obamacare is “ground zero” in our struggle to get back this country.
So against that backdrop, what do our elites do? Oh, here’s a good idea, let’s nominate the guy who essentially wrote the damn bill! Now THAT is insanity.
I dont think hell get to the point of promising permanent lunar-based colonies within eight years.
We have experienced what happens with such government migration. Near death valley is a desert community called Palmdale. They started building little subdivisions there in the early 90s, cute tiny starter homes and town homes. Young middle class couples in their 20s starting families moved out there to enjoy the low house prices. For years all was quaint and well. Then the government deemed the housing there “section whatever” and gave inner city “families” the right to squat in them. BOOM, property values went down so far that most of the middle class kids had to walk away from their homes. Great, more to give away. Now the place is a cesspool of gang activity.
The moon could look like that two years after Gingrich starts bribing people to go live there. GWGs — gangstas without gravity.
Any Santorum supporters living in the Chicago area should seriously think about volunteering at his office in Elgin. I will be there on Monday and Tuesday.
And those who live in other areas can use the phone at home program on his website.
Does anyone know of a Santorum list on Free Republic that lists those living in Illinois? It would be nice to ping them to the volunteer opportunities.
Winning Illinois would really reset the race!
I want some of what Santorum been smokin’
He can’t win the nomination outright unless both Newt and Mitt drop out soon.
He needs 64% of the remaining delegates of the remaining primaries.
Somebody needs to get Rick’s head in touch with Rick’s mouth, but real quick.
And if they vote for a flaming liberal like Romney, or a big government, global warming, Amnesty granting, Acorn endorsing, influence selling, ethically challenged, space mirror, serial adulterer like Newt, then it won’t matter if we win the election.
If Newt drops off, and he wins the big states like TX, PA, IL, and who knows even CA , he’ll get close to Romney’s tally. If Romney doesn’t win on the first ballot, the delegates are free to choose. The delegates in the states will vote with what their states’ conservative voters preferred. Santorum could then pull it off in a 2nd or 3rd round of balloting. I do now agree with brokered conventions but this is now becoming increasingly inevitable. If Santorum loses IL, I think the writing is on the wall. Mitt wins the nomination. Unfortunately, like what occurred in WA, MI, and OH, Gingrich may become the great spoiler again!
Bush backed down, just like he did with his Amnesty idea because he felt pressure from the base, both Conservative and Moderate elements.
Obama would not look back. That is the difference. I will take a chance on Romney rather than having no chance at all with Obama. Obama’s second term would be a “nothing left to lose” term, not a “lame duck” term.
Cut your nose off to spite your face is becoming the norm.
I am nearly 59 years old, and I have never seen a threat to what I consider the American way of life until Obama came along.
I'm going with Mark Levin on this. I too would Vote for a can of Orange Juice over Obama.
When Ronald W. Reagan came into his native IL to campaign in 1976, he said it would be a miracle if he got 40 percent over Gerald R. Ford in that liberal state. I think that is about what he got. The state is liberal, liberal, liberal, and we can’t put much hope in it. I think the key to Rick’s potential loss was his failure to get on the VA ballot. Having to forfeit ID and UT hurts too.
I am not defending Romney, just calling it like I see it. This “no difference” between Obama and Romney is ridiculous.
Obama is a Marxist version of a “sure thing”. A President Romney gives us at least a fighting chance to influence his Governing.
I will take a fighting chance with Romney over unconditional surrender to Obama any day of the week.
[ Obama would not look back. That is the difference. I will take a chance on Romney rather than having no chance at all with Obama. Obamas second term would be a nothing left to lose term, not a lame duck term.
Romney’s own record disputes your hope in him doing the right thing.
2/3rds or 75%, I forget which right now, of his nominees were Democrats, hard-left Democrats who couldn’t give a flying leap about the constitution or anything else considered conservative in nature, and you state you hope he would listen to pressure from the base?
He’s still lying about implementing Gay Marriage and supporting Gay Adoption while Governor of Massachusetts and you still want to HOPE that he would do the right thing? ]
We are so screwed if Either Mittens gets in or Barry gets a second term.
Mittens would only slow things down and then in four years the GOP would be blamed so much but with little to show we would still be in an economic malaise the likes of Carter’s wet dreams. This would GUARANTEE a Democrat Victory over the house the senate and even the presidency in 2016. They would not be pulling any punches as they would run someone that would make Obama look like a middle of the road moderate. Because they know they would have a very good chance of winning. Not to mention the class warfare game that could be played to Bolshevik conclusion during that election if we get Romney and mediocre performance out of him which is very much likely.
Of course Obama winning would be a very much “nothing to lose” second term that would see him likely either completely destroying the economy so badly that they play the game of “Destroy and Support” in that they would destroy the economy and then support the people as the “great savior” thus ensuring either “Glorious Revolution” or the mass construction project of making millions more so dependent that they will have a permanent grip on power that would only come undone with Blood sweat and tears, but mostly Blood and Tears.
ABO and ABR, because we either need Newt or Santorum, hell I would take Ron Paul over Romney for the above reason above.
Nope. It the primary electorate that's crazy.
Turnout has been historically low as the bulk of the party is simply not interested in the primary.
Santorum's 40% Values Voters base and a 3 man race could be enough to get him a win in Tampa.
In the olden days values voters were about evenly split between the two parties. Now it seems they're all in for the GOP...as long as Santorum is the nominee.
If he is not, they're likely to stay home.
Idn't that just the damnedest thing?
Obama is acting like Pharaoh and refusing to support ANYONE running against him will just make his Second Term a living hell.
As I said before I am no fan of Mittens, but IF it comes down to him and Obama, Obama must be defeated.
No need to reply. You are as firm in your position as I am.
Quinn Hillyer is right in his analysis. Newt is potentially a greater threat to Santorum than Perot was to GHWB.
Your “boy” died. Not electable. No one wants him. Just for that. let’s rock.
“As long as they play our song...”
He is probably correct. If he can win in Illinois, the polls will shift enough for the 11% that keeps jumping to the front runner to move from Romney to him. I do not see Romney ever getting it back if they leave him.
We had NO discussion regarding the Republican Primary that would make Romney the Nominee. We were talking about the scenario of Romney BEING the Republican Nominee.
Do you think I would Vote for Romney in the Primary? Nobody here would do that. We are talking about the General Election IF Romney is the Nominee. That is the only way I would Vote for him, albeit very reluctantly.
Don Quixote? HAHAHAHA, you are a funny guy.
... and he still will do better in Illinois even in this scenario than Gingrich would have done. If Newt still wants to pin his hopes on a divided convention, he needs Romney to be held down here. Otherwise, that “inevitability” will start coming into play.
Before you say that, take a look at Romney’s record of court picks in Mass. Also remember, when you see his excuse, that the board that recommended the judges served at the Governor’s pleasure.
The simple arithmetic is that the way to deny Romney a first-ballot win is not to concentrate on how many delegates other people win; the way to deny him is to keep Romney himself from winning more delegates. What matters in this game is Romneys delegate count in relation to the target majority of 1,144. The only way to slow him down is to give a conservative challenger a chance not just to win more proportional delegates, but to win more via winner-take-all rules which deny any new delegates at all to Romney.
Bears repeating. If newt wants to be considered honest he will admit he is helping Romney now.
Also it is a loophole primary (the vote for the presidential candidate doesn’t drive delegate selection; voters vote for individual delegates). Also officially IL delegates are unpledged.
So Santorum could win and still lose....my sense of it is that IL Republicans running for delegate with adequate name recognition generally favor Romney. Santorum needs good organization here and probably doesn’t have it.
Post 39 could enlighten you to the error of your ways but I notice Santorum's supporters borrow a page from these fine folks:
You nailed it- it’s all about momentum. Santorum will have a tsunami working for him if he pulls an IL win. I agree with Yaelle, Newt needs to get the hell out of the race. But apparently he’s ego is getting in the way. This would have been all over for Romney, if Newt did the proper thing and dropped out after Santorum’s smashing trifecta win. Very likely Santorum would have carried WA; almost certainly MI (where Romney won by a mere 3 % points) and definitely in Ohio where Romney won by less than 1% of a point. Newt is now the saboteur. But don’t tell that to some of our FReepers here who have their heads buried not in sand but in concrete.
You always forget to mention Rick blew big leads in Michigan and Ohio, and actually finished 3rd in Washington (even with all Newt’s votes he would have lost).
Why are Santorum supporters so delusional?
Do you have an hour?
I’m ok with newt trying his southern strategy in MS and AL. But at that point it was time for him to be a statesman and step aside. He would and still does have enough power to be a king maker.
>> But at that point it was time for him to be a statesman and step aside
At least he has the potential of being a statesman.
It would be nice if you would provide some links to all those charges against Rick Santorum.
For instance, I happened to know that there is some interesting information related to Rick Santorum voting to increase the Department of Education, if he in fact did.
You see, in 1979 Newt voted to create the Department of Education. Here’s a link for verification.
The charge under the heading Bankruptcy is fraudulent.
Rick Santorum did not vote to deny abortion protesters the ability get relief from their general debts by filing bankruptcy.
Rick did sign a bill that denied violent abortion protesters from declaring bankruptcy to write off debts incurred by violent criminal acts.
As a Conservative I don’t wish to see people be able to kill, bomb, firebomb, or cause physical injury, then be able to avoid having to be responsible for debt incurred by these acts.
These two charges against Rick have been posted all over the forum for weeks. They imply that Rick is very anti-abortion protester. They also imply that Rick is much worse than Newt because he voted to increase the budget of the Department of Education, when Newt voted to create it.
Folks, I understand your desire to trash Santorum to increase Newt’s chances, but it doesn’t serve Newt welll to use the tactics that include these two charges over and over.
How about some links for verification of these charges so we can look more of them up.
With apologies, I meant to link you to the post just above.
...and I’ll have no way to compete against Barack Obama, no money, no organization or debate skills, but at least I’m a “conservative” so what’s the big deal?
God, I hope so.