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Holder would have 'modified' Fast and Furious gun-tracking operation
The Hill ^ | 02/28/12 | Jordy Yager

Posted on 02/28/2012 9:06:39 PM PST by neverdem

Attorney General Eric Holder on Tuesday stopped short of saying he would have eliminated Operation Fast and Furious if he had been made aware of the failed gun-tracking operation before it was put in place.

Holder told lawmakers at a subpanel hearing that Fast and Furious was “fundamentally flawed,” but the nation’s top cop emphasized that “aggressive” and “creative” tactics must be used if the United States has any hope of stopping the flow of weapons to Mexico.

“I certainly would have modified the program,” Holder said in response to a question from Rep. Kevin Yoder (R-Kan.), who asked whether he would have eliminated Operation Fast and Furious before it began if someone had told him about the controversial “gun-walking” tactics.

“I mean, allowing guns to walk is simply a procedure that does not make sense. It’s bad law enforcement. And I think that is at the heart of the problem with regard to Fast and Furious,” Holder said.

“On the other hand, coming up with ways in which we stop the flow of guns from the United States to Mexico [means] we need to be aggressive, we need to be creative and we need to help our Mexican counterparts to the extent that we can.”

The back-and-forth between Holder and the lawmakers on Tuesday was much more civil than in the attorney general’s previous appearances before the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee and the House Judiciary Committee. Lawmakers on those panels grilled Holder relentlessly, often cutting him off before he could fully answer questions.

“This is very interesting,” he said. “I’m having a conversation about Fast and Furious in a very appropriate, neutral, detached way, which is fundamentally different from my experiences in other committees. And this is almost, I won’t say pleasant, but it’s different.”

Yoder is one of 90 lawmakers in the House who has backed a resolution expressing a lack of confidence in Holder to head the DOJ because of his involvement in an operation that authorized the sale of nearly 2,000 firearms to known and suspected straw buyers for Mexican drug cartels.

Republican leadership has not indicated it will take up the measure anytime soon, but Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.), who has led the House’s investigation of the issue, has threatened to place Holder in contempt if he does not produce documents used to draft a letter to Congress that mistakenly said the DOJ makes every effort to interdict weapons before they cross into Mexico. That letter has since been withdrawn.

Yoder said voters in his district have been hammering him about what he’s doing to hold Holder accountable and that he’s troubled that the attorney general was not taking the congressional investigation seriously.

Holder told the freshman that he wanted to get to the bottom of Fast and Furious, and pointed to an inspector general report that he has ordered. Holder implied that he had taken steps that former Attorney General Michael Mukasey had not taken when he was briefed about a gun-tracking operation that used similar tactics under former President George W. Bush’s administration.

“Once this was brought to my attention, I stopped it,” said Holder. “In spite of what other attorneys general might have done with briefings that they got, when this attorney general heard about these practices I said to the men and women of the United States Department of Justice, in the field and people at main Justice, ‘This ain’t gonna be the way we conduct business. Stop.’ ”


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Mexico; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: atf; banglist; dea; dhs; doj; fastandfurious; fbi; gunrunner; gunwalker; holder; ice; obama

1 posted on 02/28/2012 9:06:51 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Even allowing for the possibility (and I don’t believe this possibility for a minute), where FF was up and running before he became AG, he could have modified parts of it.

He’s top dog, he could have cancelled it at anytime. His lack of action suggests that he supported it.


2 posted on 02/28/2012 9:11:25 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: neverdem

Here comes the white-wash.


3 posted on 02/28/2012 9:13:13 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: neverdem

He lies.


4 posted on 02/28/2012 9:13:41 PM PST by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: neverdem

Holder has Boehner to thank for the new ‘kid gloves’ treatment.


5 posted on 02/28/2012 9:15:03 PM PST by montag813
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To: neverdem

Wonder how many times Holder has gotten out of bed in the morning wishing he had never heard of Obama.


6 posted on 02/28/2012 9:21:25 PM PST by doc1019 (Romney will never get my vote!)
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To: doc1019

It will be more interesting when the reverse of that becomes true.


7 posted on 02/28/2012 9:32:00 PM PST by Michael.SF. (When you hear hooves, think horses, not zebras.)
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To: neverdem
Woulda, coulda, shoulda...

Rock, paper, scissors...

Time for a do over. How about November?

8 posted on 02/28/2012 9:35:59 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (New Tagline under construction, please watch your step.)
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I believe Holder’s “investigation” of F&F has now taken longer than the Warren Commission...


9 posted on 02/28/2012 9:42:14 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: neverdem
In the sound bite I heard on Special Report Holder flat out said "As soon as I heard about the practice ("walking" guns) I put an end to it." He went on to reiterate that by saying that he told all of his subordinates to cease and never do anything like that again. Flat out lies IMO but this article makes it sound like he was still hedging.

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11:04 PM MST Operation #EFAD bump (Fast and Furious related, check it out)

10 posted on 02/28/2012 10:03:57 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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the nation’s top cop emphasized that “aggressive” and “creative” tactics must be used if the United States has any hope of stopping the flow of weapons to Mexico.

Bull! The "aggressive," "creative" tactics were to smuggle guns to the drug cartels so the guns could be seized by Mexican law enforcement to present before press conferences, in order to gin up support for draconian gun control laws.

Knowing how Obama and his regime hate guns AND gun owners, it must REALLY grate on him, knowing that he's considered the #1 gun salesman in the country!

Mark

11 posted on 02/28/2012 10:07:56 PM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: neverdem

Why hasn’t Holder been indicted for lying to Congress?


12 posted on 02/28/2012 10:12:43 PM PST by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: wardaddy; Joe Brower; Cannoneer No. 4; Criminal Number 18F; Dan from Michigan; Eaker; Jeff Head; ...
IMHO, Fast & Furious and its sister operations in other states get resolved on Election Day. Remember, taxpayers are on the hook for damages to the Zapata and Terry families plus hundreds of Mexican families.

Check comment# 3 on this first link re: #EFAD.

Issa,Grassley Continue Press for Answers in Zapata Murder:Evidence Reveals Similar Investigative Tactics to Fast and Furious were Used.

Feinstein challenger: Drop Fast & Furious gun-control agenda

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13 posted on 02/28/2012 10:12:54 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem

Back up the BIG dump truck and dump a FULL load of BULL#HIT.


14 posted on 02/28/2012 10:15:00 PM PST by VideoDoctor
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To: neverdem

So then if Holder and the DOJ didn’t initally give approval of moving weapons across an international border I assume that someone in the State Department led and approved Fast and Furious?


15 posted on 02/28/2012 10:26:52 PM PST by VeniVidiVici
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To: Mortrey
There are lies and then there are LIES, the latter being premeditated and developed in committees, and run by the legal dept.
16 posted on 02/28/2012 10:30:47 PM PST by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: neverdem
...the nation’s top cop emphasized that “aggressive” and “creative” tactics must be used if the United States has any hope of stopping the flow of weapons to Mexico.

The best and perhaps only chance of stopping the flow of weapons to Mexico short of imposing a Stalinist tyranny is to legalize the use of drugs in America.


17 posted on 02/29/2012 12:46:48 AM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: neverdem

stopping the flow of weapons to Mexico.....Bush’s DOJ came to the conclusion that “there is no iron pipeline” to Mexico according to a 2006 report. After Hillary stated 98% of Mexico’s guns came from th US, some fact checker wrote that only 17% of Mexico’s guns came from here. That pissed of Hillary and Obama (who used her figures in a speech) and,voila! We have F&F to up those statistics.


18 posted on 02/29/2012 1:15:41 AM PST by Safetgiver (I'd rather die under a free American sky than live under a Socialist regime.)
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To: neverdem
Holder would have 'modified' Fast and Furious gun-tracking operation

Gift wrapping and ribbons, perhaps?

19 posted on 02/29/2012 4:41:29 AM PST by Caipirabob (I say we take off and Newt the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure...)
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To: neverdem
Perhaps with a decorative hallmark card?

"Roses are red, violets are blue, we're shafting the American people, and this AK's for you"?

20 posted on 02/29/2012 4:42:58 AM PST by Caipirabob (I say we take off and Newt the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure...)
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To: Caipirabob
Gift wrapping and ribbons, perhaps?

Locked and loaded would be my guess..

21 posted on 02/29/2012 4:51:15 AM PST by IamConservative (Shall I try and perhaps fail or shall I do nothing without fail?)
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To: Joe Brower; Travis McGee; LucyT; vette6387; MetaThought; 60Gunner; XHogPilot; FreedomPoster; ...

Please suppress your gag reflex...if you can. Ping.


22 posted on 02/29/2012 5:07:44 AM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: neverdem

Unless I am mistaken the revolutionary AG did modify that program inherited form the Bush Administration significantly and a whole bunch o f people are dead because the fundamental flaw seems to be a result of the ambitious actions of the Holder administration.


23 posted on 02/29/2012 5:13:39 AM PST by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: neverdem

“Attorney General Eric Holder on Tuesday stopped short of saying he would have eliminated Operation Fast and Furious if he had been made aware of the failed gun-tracking operation before it was put in place.”

Lies that equate to “I didn’t know anything and I had no authority or responsibility for whatever happens—just like my boss”


24 posted on 02/29/2012 5:14:37 AM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: neverdem; All

Is there anyone with the political courage in our congress or senate to open the process up for impeachment???

I don’t hear or see anything but a bunch of over-gassed flappin’ lips telling the MSM how outraged that this happened, or on the other side how racist they are for even considering badgering the most successful AG in American History!!!

The conservatives in this country are not going to argue one bit if the process were to begin at the earliest opportunity, and not wait till after the elections, that is is we can oust his boss in November...

To which I do not have a warm and fuzzy feeling about to this day...

But thats just my opinion...


25 posted on 02/29/2012 6:57:51 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus' sayin')
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To: doc1019; All

I don’t believe there is any regret...

Matter of fact, I bet he hates getting out of Obama’s bed every morning...


26 posted on 02/29/2012 7:28:07 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus' sayin')
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To: neverdem

Thanks for the ping!


27 posted on 02/29/2012 10:22:00 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: stevie_d_64
Is there anyone with the political courage in our congress or senate to open the process up for impeachment???

You know what they say about payback. IMHO, Issa and John Boehner dump an impeahed Holder et al. on the Senate prior to the election. Rats are defending 23 seats, seven of which will be vacant due to retirements.

28 posted on 02/29/2012 7:27:18 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem

Well, I hope your right...Ihope they do something like that...

But I bet nothing happens...Issa will be told to keep the pressure on from his perspective (no one else has the brass ones to do it) and nothing more will progress except the information and vidoe and sound bytes...

No one will start the procedings for an impeachment, no matter how much we yell and scream for it...

Just my opinion...


29 posted on 03/01/2012 7:06:05 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus' sayin')
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