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Warning: Photo may disturb some readers; photo of lion trophy sparks debate over legal hunting
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 2/20/12 | Tom Stienstra

Posted on 02/20/2012 8:01:49 AM PST by SmithL

The divide between those who live in rural areas and those from cities ruptured wide this past weekend across America in a debate over a provocative photo of California Fish and Game Commission President Dan Richards and a huge mountain lion he shot legally after an 8-hour hunt in Idaho.

Some comments on Facebook suggest that Richards should be the one hunted and shot, that he should be jailed, that is unethical to shoot anything you do not eat, and hunting of any kind is barbaric.

Most from rural backgrounds would see nothing wrong with the photo. Mountain lions are predators that kill lots of deer and other animals, including house pets and farm animals, and fewer of them means more of just about everything else. Same with coyotes. Since the hunt occurred in Idaho, where mountain lion hunting is legal, there was nothing illegal about anything Richards did.

The photo first appeared in Western Outdoor News at http://www.wonews.com/Blog.aspx?id=1646 as an innocuous sidebar to a column post by Paul Lebowitz, 2010 California Outdoor Writer of the Year. The Humane Society of the United States, an anti-hunting organization, then copied and circulated the photo around the country.

(Excerpt) Read more at blog.sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Idaho
KEYWORDS: banglist; hunting; mountainlion
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1 posted on 02/20/2012 8:02:02 AM PST by SmithL
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To: SmithL
Dude, that thing eats people.

Thanks for shooting it!

2 posted on 02/20/2012 8:04:50 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: SmithL
Dude, that thing eats people.

Thanks for shooting it!

3 posted on 02/20/2012 8:05:05 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: SmithL

That dang kitten did not get that big on a suburban chic vegan diet! Lots of people’s private property made that kitty trophy size.


4 posted on 02/20/2012 8:06:05 AM PST by ScottinSacto
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To: SmithL

Funny, I can think of many targets to hunt in SF!


5 posted on 02/20/2012 8:06:36 AM PST by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: SmithL

This photo disturbs me! It promotes deep feelings of jealousy!


6 posted on 02/20/2012 8:06:40 AM PST by ArtDodger (Reread Animal Farm (with your kids))
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To: SmithL

Should make a nice rug!


7 posted on 02/20/2012 8:07:01 AM PST by Huskrrrr
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To: SmithL

He should not have shot it. He should have caught it and then released it at the headquarters of the Humane Society of the United States or PETA’s.


8 posted on 02/20/2012 8:07:57 AM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: SmithL

If only there was an open season on SF pedophiles.


9 posted on 02/20/2012 8:09:06 AM PST by Huskrrrr
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To: SmithL

I want to hunt and shoot liberals, then pose like this guy.


10 posted on 02/20/2012 8:09:19 AM PST by Lazamataz (If you only think about a diet, only your brain loses weight.)
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To: SmithL

This photo disturbs me. . .it reminds me that I’m sitting in an office in front of my computer screen wishing I was out in nature with a gun, a bow and a fishing rod.


11 posted on 02/20/2012 8:10:54 AM PST by McBuff
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To: SmithL

BTW, it is illegal to kill these cats in CA.


12 posted on 02/20/2012 8:10:53 AM PST by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: Huskrrrr

I’ll probably get some flack for this, but I think trophy hunting is worthless. If you’re going to hunt, don’t just take an animal’s life for no reason other than your own vanity. That’s really all trophy hunting is, an expression of vanity, which is a sin.

If you’re gonna hunt, put the animal to use and eat the damn thing.


13 posted on 02/20/2012 8:10:53 AM PST by bigdirty
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To: SmithL
Used to work with this guy. Wyoming cat. Photobucket
14 posted on 02/20/2012 8:12:09 AM PST by mmanager (Reagan Revolution + Republican Revolution = Bury Obama in 2012 - Go Newt!)
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To: SmithL

Your common house cat would probably view you differently if it was that size too. None of this messing around rubbing on ankles to get a treat. You would BE the treat.


15 posted on 02/20/2012 8:12:16 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: SmithL

My theory is keep your business off facebook. You will be happier and nosy people can fret about other people.


16 posted on 02/20/2012 8:12:16 AM PST by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: Lazamataz
I want to hunt and shoot liberals, then pose like this guy.

...you'd have to burn your cloths after.
17 posted on 02/20/2012 8:12:58 AM PST by sasquatch
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To: SmithL

The comments bashing this on other sites just go to show the depth of the stupidity and ignorance rampant in this country today.

Hunting is a fine pastime, and any thinking meat-eater should realize that an animal that lives a wild, free life and is then harvested by a hunter had it much better than an animal that was raised on a factory farm, then slaughtered. Further, wild animals typically don’t die nice, painless deaths. A clean kill from a hunter’s weapon is much preferable to starvation or being eaten alive by a pack of wolves.

Also I have to say...NICE cougar! :-)

P.S. I hope any of you supporting the “Humane Society”...stop.


18 posted on 02/20/2012 8:13:08 AM PST by PreciousLiberty (Real Hope - Santorum '12!!!)
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To: bigdirty

The ex-kitty would make an awesome rug. Would that count?


19 posted on 02/20/2012 8:13:27 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: SmithL

Why the hell would that disturb anyone? I was expecting its head to be half blown off from the headline. It looks like the guy is holding a teddy bear.

KIlling animals is part of being human. Killing DANGEROUS animals even more so. These ninnies need to get on with life and quit wringing their hands over nothing.


20 posted on 02/20/2012 8:13:46 AM PST by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: SmithL

Purdy cat. Wouldn’t mind having a trophy like that.


21 posted on 02/20/2012 8:14:44 AM PST by TheZMan (Obama is without a doubt the worst President ever elected to these United States)
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To: SmithL
Warning: Photo may disturb some readers; photo of lion trophy sparks debate over legal hunting

Why don't photos of politicians and other tyranny-related shots ever come with this kind of warning?

22 posted on 02/20/2012 8:15:23 AM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: PreciousLiberty
P.S. I hope any of you supporting the “Humane Society”...stop.

The largest "humane society" of the USA, the HSUS, has a philosophy that animals shouldn't really even be pets or zoo exhibits, but it is grudgingly tolerated for the better good of the critters. They try to do with honey what PETA tries to do with vinegar, but it's crazy in both cases. The ASPCA is a much more reliable and pet-friendly organization. Local "humane societies" may also not share the anti-pet views of the HSUS.

23 posted on 02/20/2012 8:17:20 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: Lazamataz
I want to hunt and shoot liberals, then pose like this guy.

No you don't. You never want a liberal that close to your face. That mountain lion subsisted on wild game and got a lot of exercise. There's a far smaller chance of catching some loathsome illness from hugging a dead mountain lion than a liberal.

24 posted on 02/20/2012 8:17:47 AM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: umgud
From the article:
Some think that mountain lions are a threatened or endangered species. They are neither. Wildlife biologists say that lions are healthy and abundant in much of California. Mountain lions are rather a specially protected species in California by a law created by a voter’s initiative, not by wildlife biologists.
Like Cap & Trade, this law exists solely to make Californians feel superior and more enlightened.
25 posted on 02/20/2012 8:18:52 AM PST by SmithL (If you reward certain behavior, don't be surprised when you see more of that behavior)
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To: SmithL

If the commissioner pushed for this law in California and then went and hunted in Idaho in a way that would be forbidden by this law in California, he’s a big hypocrite. But maybe he has nothing to do with the law except being stuck with having to enforce it in California.


26 posted on 02/20/2012 8:21:30 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: bigdirty
If you’re gonna hunt, put the animal to use and eat the damn thing.

I doubt it would taste good. Perhaps he can give it to some Chinese restaurant.

It's more like pest control. That cat is a predator that reduces the supply of game deer for hunters, as well as killing livestock, pets, and the occasional human.

27 posted on 02/20/2012 8:23:00 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: PapaBear3625

That would indeed be a way to keep Chinese restaurants in a copious supply of cat, without offending too many people.


28 posted on 02/20/2012 8:24:15 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: SmithL

Kitty hug!!!


29 posted on 02/20/2012 8:25:28 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland (I love how the FR spellchecker doesn't recognize the word "Obama")
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To: McBuff

POST OF THE DAY!!;)


30 posted on 02/20/2012 8:25:47 AM PST by Frank_2001
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To: PapaBear3625

Fair enough on the pest control factor. If the mountain lion numbers are a problem and it is deemed the numbers need to be controlled or brought down for public safety, I support it. I don’t support just going out and trophy hunting for no reason other than to get a vanity item in your house. It’s the kind of mentality that leads to these amazing animals becoming endangered.


31 posted on 02/20/2012 8:26:31 AM PST by bigdirty
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To: Slings and Arrows

Kitty ping.


32 posted on 02/20/2012 8:26:38 AM PST by Squawk 8888 (Tories in- now the REAL work begins!)
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To: bigdirty
I think trophy hunting is worthless

That wasn't a trophy hunt. People lost their livestock to that cat. That's a predator hunt. We're having a similar problem locally with coyotes. I plan to kill some. And I'm not going to eat them. Understand?

33 posted on 02/20/2012 8:26:46 AM PST by LouAvul
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To: mmanager

Nice cat!!!


34 posted on 02/20/2012 8:27:00 AM PST by headsonpikes (Mass murder and cannibalism are the twin sacraments of socialism - "Who-whom?"-Lenin)
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To: SmithL

Would they rather have it the other way around?


35 posted on 02/20/2012 8:27:00 AM PST by jmcenanly (Things will be better in 2013)
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To: bigdirty
an expression of vanity, which is a sin.

Which of the Ten Commandments states "Thou shalt not be vain."? Thank in advance.

I just love it when people make up sh** that's no where in the Bible to suit their own personal bigotries....

36 posted on 02/20/2012 8:27:19 AM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
ASPCA? No thanks.

"Hunting

The ASPCA is opposed to hunting animals for sport, even if the animals killed in this way are subsequently consumed. The ASPCA does recognize that wildlife management may be necessary in situations where animal and human interests collide, but urges that management strategies be nonlethal wherever possible and never include avoidable suffering or distress."
37 posted on 02/20/2012 8:27:19 AM PST by mrmeyer ("When brute force is on the march, compromise is the red carpet." Ayn Rand)
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To: SmithL
He's just using the Heimlich maneuver because that big kitty has a liberal stuck in its throat.
38 posted on 02/20/2012 8:27:46 AM PST by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

The ASPCA has some great, practical people working for it in GA and SC. We’ve called them more than once to report conditions that we’ve seen horses kept in.


39 posted on 02/20/2012 8:28:23 AM PST by arderkrag (Georgia is God's Country. LOOKING FOR ROLEPLAYERS. Check Profile.)
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To: Doc Savage
Funny, I can think of many targets to hunt in SF!

Just don't eat what ya kill. ;-)

40 posted on 02/20/2012 8:28:51 AM PST by piroque ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act")
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To: SmithL

Looks like a baby to me. Down here in Southern Utah ones like that are too small to take.


41 posted on 02/20/2012 8:28:51 AM PST by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)
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To: SmithL

Why is the photo disturbing? He hunted legally and killed his game.


42 posted on 02/20/2012 8:29:03 AM PST by svcw (Only difference between Romney & BH is one thinks he will be god & other one thinks he already is.)
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To: SmithL

“Warning: Photo may disturb some readers; photo of aborted fetus sparks debate over legal abortion.”

(a headline we’ll never see in the MSM)


43 posted on 02/20/2012 8:30:27 AM PST by 6SJ7 (Meh.)
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To: PapaBear3625

Exactly. These large cats are at the top of the food chain. They are willing and sometimes eager to eat us or our children. If no one ever kills one, what happens to their population? They would eventually be prowling the suburbs.


44 posted on 02/20/2012 8:30:57 AM PST by Truth is a Weapon (Truth, it hurts so good.)
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To: bigdirty

I take it you have never came across one in the wild... I did while hunting deer ( and here in michigan the state says they do not exist ) if it would have turned on me I would have shot it without hesitation... big damn cat will eat you for lunch...


45 posted on 02/20/2012 8:31:04 AM PST by joe fonebone (Project Gunwalker, this will make watergate look like the warm up band......)
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To: bigdirty
That’s really all trophy hunting is, an expression of vanity, which is a sin.

Would you source that claim, please?

46 posted on 02/20/2012 8:31:33 AM PST by svcw (Only difference between Romney & BH is one thinks he will be god & other one thinks he already is.)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

“Yuk! Oh man, I shouldn’t have eaten that animal rights hippie, I’m going to be tasting patchouli and body odor for days now. BLECH!”

}:-)4


47 posted on 02/20/2012 8:31:58 AM PST by Moose4 ("Oderint dum metuant" -- "Let them hate, as long as they fear." (Lucius Accius, c. 130 BC))
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To: bigdirty

It’s not trophy hunting it’s predator control. Over population of ANY species throws off the balance of nature. If hunters didn’t do it the state would. In Alaska they allow wolf hunting out of airplanes because it’s impossible to reach their territories by any other vehicle much less on foot.


48 posted on 02/20/2012 8:36:04 AM PST by Clint N. Suhks
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To: SmithL

That is one beautiful cat.

}:-)4


49 posted on 02/20/2012 8:36:47 AM PST by Moose4 ("Oderint dum metuant" -- "Let them hate, as long as they fear." (Lucius Accius, c. 130 BC))
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To: SmithL

Who would be disturbed by that photo? Its a picture of a dead lion ... and not all that gruesome a picture, all things considered.

SnakeDoc


50 posted on 02/20/2012 8:36:58 AM PST by SnakeDoctor ("Beware the fury of a patient man." -- John Dryden)
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