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Super Bowl 2012 final: Giants 21, Patriots 17
Boston Globe ^ | 02/05/2012

Posted on 02/05/2012 7:22:13 PM PST by SeekAndFind

INDIANAPOLIS -- On one last Hail Mary try, Tom Brady heaved it up for his two star tight ends in the end zone. Neither Rob Gronkowski or Aaron Hernandez, who both got a hand in the play, could come down with it.

The New York Giants beat the New England Patriots 21-17 in Super Bowl XLVI, the second time the Giants beat the Patriots in the last four years in the NFL's title game.

Giants RB Ahmad Bradshaw scored the go-ahead touchdown with 0:57 left in the game.

(Excerpt) Read more at boston.com ...


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To: wbill
OR, if Gronkowski is at something closer to 100%, he's a difference-maker on the Pats offense.

Gronkowski was in the best position to catch the tip on the last play of the game....if he was 100%, he might have been able to dive and make the catch.

41 posted on 02/06/2012 1:58:29 PM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Who won?


42 posted on 02/06/2012 2:02:33 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: wbill; TruthShallSetYouFree; taterjay

“There was at least one other play to run and a 25 yard field goal is not automatic. Plenty can go wrong. “

My sentiments exactly. Must be the conservatism in me. .
The “fieldgoal alternative” assumes getting the clock down to at most, 17 seconds, while hustling the field goal team onto the field and the right players off with no confusion, with the referee saying when the play clock starts.

Among other things, there is an elevated chance of an miscue on the snap from center. Even though the game was well played by both teams (no turnovers that I can remember), there were penalties against both teams for having 12 players on the field earlier in the game.

When you have championship quality players (or high quality people in any business for that matter) it’s a good idea not to overcoach. In the end, with the Pats needing a touchdown, the best thing that Beliceck’s micromanaging could produce was a predictable 50 yard Hail Mary.


43 posted on 02/06/2012 2:30:23 PM PST by haroldeveryman
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To: BenLurkin

“Man, I hate to see games decided by bad officiating.”

And with that, I’m sure we can all agree....


44 posted on 02/06/2012 3:07:21 PM PST by moonhawk (Romney tuck's his tail and licks the hand that beats him. Newt rips it off at the shoulder.)
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45 posted on 02/06/2012 3:45:32 PM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree
Tynes almost missed the two field goals-both under forty yards-so missing the chip shot was not out of the realm of possibility.

He is last on the depth chart when I'm looking for a Giants player to seal a game.

46 posted on 02/07/2012 6:29:54 AM PST by OddLane (If Lionel Hutz and Guy Smiley had a lovechild together, his name would be "Mitt Romney." -KAJ)
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To: OddLane; wbill; haroldeveryman; taterjay
You have all made references to what could go wrong if the Giants milk the clock and attempt the field goal. But you have avoided the analysis of what could go wrong by giving Brady the ball with a minute to play and a timeout in hand. Merely saying that Tynes might miss or there might be a bad snap or they could fumble on the next play are all true. But what about the other side of the equation?

An article in Slate analyzes the probabilities of each strategy. The probability of the Giants' winning by killing the clock and attempting the field goal is calculated at 98%. The probability of the Giants' winning by scoring the uncontested touchdown and giving the Patriots a minute and a timeout to answer with a touchdown was computed at 88%. In other words, milking the clock gave the Pats a 2% chance of winning, while letting the Giants score gave them a 12% chance. That's a six times greater probability of New England winning the game. Here's the link.

47 posted on 02/07/2012 6:54:53 AM PST by TruthShallSetYouFree (How bad would an Obama II administration be, without the constraints of re-election?)
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree

All that is stupid in light of the fact that Brady had an entire game to score more than 17 points and couldn’t do it, so the liklihood of his team scoring 7 more in 58 seconds was not good. Folks should ignore crap like you’re trying to float because it does not take into the calculus the history of the game up to the 58 seconds. Defenses win super bowls. The Ginats’ defense won the game by shutting Brady and company down for only 17 points. How many points per game did the Pats avergae the whole year? ... But not against Piere-Paul & co. defenses!


48 posted on 02/07/2012 7:00:31 AM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: MHGinTN

Brady did set a Super Bowl record by completing 16 passes in a row. In this game. Yes, the Giants’ defense held him down. But we are not comparing things in a vacuum. We are comparing the Giants defense ability to stop the Pats with a minute to go and one timeout to the ability of Lawrence Tynes to kick an extra point. Is the probability of making that field goal under 98%? Is the probability of stopping the Patriots from answering with a touchdown greater than 98%? How is “what I am floating—crap?” Unless you can quantify how your preferred strategy is superior to Belichick’s, you are merely using anecdotal evidence to support what is a question of probability.


49 posted on 02/07/2012 7:11:03 AM PST by TruthShallSetYouFree (How bad would an Obama II administration be, without the constraints of re-election?)
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree
Again, this sabermetrics fixation is great if you're plotting out the championship in a Fantasy Football League, but it doesn't take into account the reality of actual players.

Without any sort of context, taking a knee and getting tackled at the two makes sense.

If your kicker is David Akers, perhaps it would be foolish to try to score a touchdown.

But to pass up a guaranteed six points-when you're behind with less than a minute to go-in favor of a field goal attempt by a spotty kicker who almost missed two field goals under forty yards earlier in the game is absolute madness, Brady or no Brady.

50 posted on 02/07/2012 8:10:26 AM PST by OddLane (If Lionel Hutz and Guy Smiley had a lovechild together, his name would be "Mitt Romney." -KAJ)
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To: OddLane

Believe me, I would have had my heart in my throat awaiting that last short field goal attempt. If he makes it—Giants are Super Bowl Champs. If he misses it, they’re not. The enormity of the situation does create an unknown factor. I’m not the biggest Tynes fan either, but, historically, from chip-shot range, he has been very good. Lifetime, he’s 56 of 57 from 20-29 yards away, 4 for 4 from inside the 20, and 311 of 317 on extra points. So, in that which we can measure, we’re looking at 98%. We can’t measure what’s in his heart or his head in a make-or-break situation. Belichick felt like the odds were so far against his team, he was willing to give up a go-ahead touchdown to avoid a potential game-winning field goal attempt from short range. And I certainly watched the last minute unfold with enough trepidation and alarm that I can’t disagree with his logic.


51 posted on 02/07/2012 9:07:05 AM PST by TruthShallSetYouFree (How bad would an Obama II administration be, without the constraints of re-election?)
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree
I know what you mean.

I would have been hyperventilating if it had come down to a Tynes field goal, but Brady with the ball-even after Tuck's sack-was nerve-wracking.

52 posted on 02/07/2012 10:37:45 AM PST by OddLane (If Lionel Hutz and Guy Smiley had a lovechild together, his name would be "Mitt Romney." -KAJ)
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