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To: Fester Chugabrew

I’m not entirely sure what you’re asking, but I’ll give it a shot anyway.

Do I think Ron Paul is on board with the takeover of America? I have no idea if he fully understands what he’s doing or where it will lead. He’s not particularly lucid or insightful, he relies heavily on vacuous, well-worn talking points about sound money and The Fed and liberty and what-have-you and his writings — from his newsletters to his columns that I’ve read on antiwar.com and other sites — seem to be pro-forma libertarian boilerplate designed to be distributed among his fans. I honestly can’t get a read on his motivation because I have no idea what his thought process is. He’s been using the same talking points for the four decades of writings and appearances that I have access to. When I read Jefferson or Adams, or even Reagan, they give me a glimpse into their though processes. Ron Paul’s words offer no such insight. He essentially bangs his fist down and tells me how it is. So I can’t speak to his motivation because I have no idea how he thinks. And I can’t speak to what’s in his heart for obvious reasons.

What I do know is that he’s deeply damaging to this country and that his words greatly please the Russians and the Iranians — and have for years. So much so that they use their propaganda networks to raise money for him (in the case of RT) and give him an open forum to speak his anti-American policy views in the harshest terms possible. That’s alarming to me. In my parents’ generation, such actions were unthinkable. Now those actions are completely ignored. When an American politician can get away with going on Iranian state-controlled television to savage U.S. policy and call Israel an apartheid-state, nothing matters to the American voter anymore. And that’s something we will not survive.

As far as what I think you’re on board with, I don’t. You represent words on a screen, not a real person. No offense. It’s just futile to form opinions about who you are or what your motivations are. I try to respond to words, not people. At least in this medium I do.

And, if we’re going to talk like grown-ups, drop the tin-foil nonsense. Men conspire to attain power over other men, and have since the dawn of time. Talking about aluminum foil at the mere mention of such an obvious universal truth is nothing but a tired and lazy way of being dismissive. It’s beneath this forum and really needs to be put to rest. If you think Ron Paul is unimpeachable, that’s fine. I don’t think any man not named Jesus Christ is. But I am open to the possibility that Ron Paul is merely being used and manipulated by men much smarter than he is.


86 posted on 01/14/2012 12:19:24 AM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
In my parents’ generation, such actions were unthinkable.

We've had at least two generations of parents whose overall effect was to establish and build an enormous feeding trough on the one hand, and to launch out into other lands striking beehives and snake pits with fancy sticks on the other. It's time to grow up, as you say, and knock it off.

95 posted on 01/14/2012 5:22:21 AM PST by Fester Chugabrew (let establishment heads explode)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
You represent words on a screen, not a real person.

Is Ron Paul just words on a screen, not a real person? How about the sources you trust. Are they not just words on a screen?

You say you cannot get a read on his motivation because you have no idea what his thought process is. "The American Journal of Political Science found Ron Paul scored the most conservative of all 3,320 members of Congress from 1937 to 2002." Those are just words on a screen, but somehow Ron Paul has our Country's downfall as a goal. Somehow he would substantively alter the meaning and intent of our Constitution as we practice it within our borders and exercise our Constitutional prerogatives in the world.

If you can provide substantive facts pointing to Ron Paul as a tool of Communists, Socialists, and others who are opposed to the ideals of our founding fathers, by all means, I'll read. So far all I see is a concurrence of logistics and a huge disparity in principle.

Meanwhile my inclination is to believe lemmings and parrots do not by default have our country's best interests at heart. Why should I not consider you a hybrid?

102 posted on 01/14/2012 7:31:37 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew (let establishment heads explode)
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