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To: POWERSBOOTHEFAN

Joesph Smith wrote that one is not to have hot drinks. Somewhere down the line that became coffee and tea. Well, except herbal tea is okay I think.

I remember a good friend and neighbor was trying to convert another good friend and neigbor to Mormonism. She listened politily a few times, but then kindly said no. She told us “I’m not gonna join some religion that sends me to hell for a cup of coffee.” LOL! (Although I doubt that is the case.)

In visiting and staying at our Mormon friend’s mother out of state I mentioned that I was going out to get a cup of coffee and made some joke about them letting me back in. The mom said if she had known I liked coffee she would have had some fresh in the house. But she pulled out her coffee maker and rinsed the dust out and told me to get some coffee when I was out.

I was surprised, and said something about their “rules”. she laughed and said “Rules are meant to be broken. I figure I’m being more godly in being a good host and neighbor if I can treat someone to a cup of coffee than following some rule about not drinking it.” She said her Bishop (or some high-ranking guy) called her on it once when he found out she served coffee, and she laid into him. She isn’t the type to take anyone telling her what she can or can’t do. Wonderful gal!

On that same visit we went to the small Lutheran church in the Mormon college town. Our family with little kids in tow was their highlight. It was sad though. The preacher saw our three kids and said something like “Well, its been years since I did a children’s story - but would they mind coming up front?” (A couple dozen old folks were sitting in the pews - sad).

Talking with the preacher later, I commented on the beautiful front doors. He sighed and said that after buying them it took two years to get them installed. They were some fancy door and required certain knowledge or something. The door company gave him a list of installers in the area.

He called the first one, and he said he could be out next week. But after the preacher gave him the address, and mentioned it was a Lutheran church, the guy found out he had a big job starting that week.

Same with everyone they called. So, if you are in a Mormon area, and aren’t a Mormon - YOU are the one that faces the bigotry. Getting and keeping a job, haggling prices on a car, etc.


84 posted on 01/25/2012 1:44:13 AM PST by 21twelve
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To: 21twelve
Somewhere down the line that became coffee and tea.

Thereby PROVING that MORMONs do NOT know what is in their own SCRIPTURE.


Somewhere down the line they threw their GOD under the bus for statehood; too.

Thereby PROVING that they do NOT care what their Prophet had WARNED them about...


"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned;

and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given,

and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.

Brigham Young - JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)


88 posted on 01/25/2012 3:55:13 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: 21twelve

After seeing and experiencing the above; it’s no WONDER than more ‘mormons’ haven’t left the ‘church’!

I guess it kinda explains this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sects_in_the_Latter_Day_Saint_movement


89 posted on 01/25/2012 3:57:29 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: 21twelve

(Intro page of MY 1981 BoM)



The MOST correct book??
 
 
Just some of the 3000+ changes...

Mosiah 21:28
Original 1830 - "...king Benjamin had a gift from God, whereby he could interpret such engravings;..."
1964 change- "...king Mosiah had a gift from God, whereby he could interpret such engravings;..."

3 Nephi 22:4
1830 -"...for thou shalt forget the shame of thy youth, and shalt not remember the reproach of thy widowhood any more."
1981- "...for thou shalt forget the shame of thy youth, and shalt not remember the reproach of thy youth, and shalt not remember the reproach of thy widowhood any more."

I Nephi 12:18
1830 - ...yea, even the word of the justice of the Eternal God, and Jesus Christ, which is the Lamb of God... (historical note- Jesus Christ was not revealed to the Nephites until II Nephi 10:3.)
1981 - yea, even the word of the justice of the Eternal God, and Messiah which is the Lamb of God...

90 posted on 01/25/2012 4:02:37 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: 21twelve

(Intro page of MY 1981 BoM)



The MOST correct book??
 
 
Notice the red * in the right margin?

 
And AMONG in the left??


http://www.exmormon.org/mormon/mormon492.htm

91 posted on 01/25/2012 4:08:46 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: 21twelve
The MOST correct book??
 
 
Didja see the of 1611 and the almost unreadable Hat, too?


Well; Face in got cropped out of the picture, but what follows here, shows what the gift and power of God were...




"Now the way he translated was he put the urim and thummim into his hat and Darkned his Eyes than he would take a sentance and it would apper in Brite Roman Letters. Then he would tell the writer and he would write it. Then that would go away the next sentance would Come and so on. But if it was not Spelt rite it would not go away till it was rite, so we see it was marvelous. Thus was the hol [whole] translated."
---Joseph Knight's journal.


"In writing for your father I frequently wrote day after day, often sitting at the table close by him, he sitting with his face buried in his hat, with the stone in it, and dictating hour after hour with nothing between us."
(History of the RLDS Church, 8 vols.
(Independence, Missouri: Herald House,1951),
"Last Testimony of Sister Emma [Smith Bidamon]," 3:356.

"I, as well as all of my father's family, Smith's wife, Oliver Cowdery and Martin Harris, were present during the translation. . . . He [Joseph Smith] did not use the plates in translation."
---(David Whitmer,
as published in the "Kansas City Journal," June 5, 1881,
and reprinted in the RLDS "Journal of History", vol. 8, (1910), pp. 299-300.

In an 1885 interview, Zenas H. Gurley, then the editor of the RLDS Saints Herald, asked Whitmer if Joseph had used his "Peep stone" to do the translation. Whitmer replied:

"... he used a stone called a "Seers stone," the "Interpreters" having been taken away from him because of transgression. The "Interpreters" were taken from Joseph after he allowed Martin Harris to carry away the 116 pages of Ms [manuscript] of the Book of Mormon as a punishment, but he was allowed to go on and translate by use of a "Seers stone" which he had, and which he placed in a hat into which he buried his face, stating to me and others that the original character appeared upon parchment and under it the translation in English."


"Martin Harris related an incident that occurred during the time that he wrote that portion of the translation of the Book of Mormon which he was favored to write direct from the mouth of the Prophet Joseph Smith. He said that the Prophet possessed a seer stone, by which he was enabled to translate as well as from the Urim and Thummim, and for convenience he then used the seer stone, Martin explained the translation as follows: By aid of the seer stone, sentences would appear and were read by the Prophet and written by Martin and when finished he would say 'Written,' and if correctly written that sentence would disappear and another appear in its place, but if not written correctly it remained until corrected, so that the translation was just as it was engraven on the plates, precisely in the language then used."
(Edward Stevenson, "One of the Three Witnesses,"
reprinted from Deseret News, 30 Nov. 1881
in Millennial Star, 44 (6 Feb. 1882): 86-87.)

In 1879, Michael Morse, Emma Smith's brother-in-law, stated:
 
 "When Joseph was translating the Book of Mormon [I] had occasion more than once to go into his immediate presence, and saw him engaged at his work of translation. The mode of procedure consisted in Joseph's placing the Seer Stone in the crown of a hat, then putting his face into the hat, so as to entirely cover his face, resting his elbows upon his knees, and then dictating word after word, while the scribes Emma, John Whitmer, O. Cowdery, or some other wrote it down."
(W.W. Blair interview with Michael Morse,
Saints Herald, vol. 26, no. 12
June 15, 1879,  pp. 190-91.)


Joseph Smith's brother William also testified to the "face in the hat" version:
 
"The manner in which this was done was by looking into the Urim and Thummim, which was placed in a hat to exclude the light, (the plates lying near by covered up), and reading off the translation, which appeared in the stone by the power of God"
("A New Witness for Christ in America,"
Francis W. Kirkham, 2:417.)


"The manner in which he pretended to read and interpret was the same manner as when he looked for the money-diggers, with the stone in his hat, while the book of plates were at the same time hid in the woods."
---Isaac Hale (Emma Smith's father's) affidavit, 1834.




92 posted on 01/25/2012 4:15:04 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: 21twelve
"She told us “I’m not gonna join some religion that sends me to hell for a cup of coffee.” LOL! (Although I doubt that is the case.)"

It's actually closer to the truth than you might imagine.

If a mormon can't enter the temple to take out their endowments, they will be denied entry into the celestial kingdom (highest of the 3) and destined to one of the lesser kingdoms to be servants to those who are more righteous.

According to mormon doctrine, the mormon god and jesus only dwell in the celestial, jesus will go to the lesser kingdoms, but god will not.

So in effect, you are cut off from god.

What's the point then? Isn't that what Christians work towards, to dwell with God after this life?

97 posted on 01/25/2012 12:55:05 PM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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