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To: mnehring

Not everything Wright and Paul asserts is illogical and wrong. If the US gets involve with inter tribe, territorial disputes and power struggles of other nations, what do you think the side we are against is going to do???!!!! Since many of our opponents are weak in a conventional war confrontation they will resort to asymmetric warfare. Out of good intentions we stuck our nose into Middle East conflict by helping refugee Jews establish a homeland in Israel (a nation that ceased to exist after the Romans destroyed it) amongst intolerant Muslim Arabs. That is like asking for major trouble with the Arabs (whom the Soviets gladly stepped in, armed and trained). Add the Islamic religion, modern arms and American support for Israel, you don’t need much to motivate the Arabs to find an effective way to come at the US.
After the fall of the Soviet Union, the US had an opportunity to rest and rebuild. Instead a new type of thinking took over the US, since we are the sole super power let us use our power to change the world before we lose our power to do so. Neocon vision of transforming the world into a huge American type democratic society under the guise of UN action became our new mantra. Again we attack brutal dictatorships, destroy the glue that holds together the artificial nation, chaos reins and we are forced to rebuild the entire country from scratch at great expense to US taxpayers and Treasury to the point it plays a role in the budget deficits along with the other big two programs such as Social Security and Medicare. Plus gaining hatred from the defeated fractions with the nation.
We probably could have gotten away with the neocon crusades and its costs until Wall Street and big gov did us all a favor, implode the banking systems from all the fraud and ponzi schemes. Now we are totally broke with 15 trillion in debt and 70 billion in unfunded liabilities. Broke and yet still encouraged to go out and get more “bad guys” and wonder why some people in the world hate us?????
If the US had practiced half of what Ron Paul preached after the end of the Cold War, we won’t be so broke and hated by the world as we are today (its disturbing when polls taken in the world show substantial numbers of people see the US as one of the potential threats to world peace).


7 posted on 12/23/2011 9:46:56 AM PST by Fee
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To: Fee
If the US had practiced half of what Ron Paul preached after the end of the Cold War, we won’t be so broke and hated by the world as we are today (its disturbing when polls taken in the world show substantial numbers of people see the US as one of the potential threats to world peace).

Horsehockey. First of all, if we practiced what Paul preached, the Cold War would still be going on. He was an extremely vocal opponent of how Reagan dealt with the Soviet Union. He was against Reagan's rebuilding the military and the defense build up in Europe. If we practiced what he preached after the end of the Cold War, not even accounting for his complete miss on the Cold War itself, we would be as weak, if not weaker than Canada, with 'one or two submarines' as our entire defense. Our borders would be wide open to the point it makes our border problems now look like a speed bump. We would most likely be constantly dealing with third world dictators taking pot-shots at us, over-running central and South America up into our country. At which point, Paul would probably just surrender saying if we didn't 'intervene' with the Mexican American war, we wouldn't have that land anyway...

But heck, if you want to admit being in the Jeremiah Wright fan club, by all means, cheer away.

8 posted on 12/23/2011 9:54:15 AM PST by mnehring
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To: Fee

Not everything Wright and Paul asserts is illogical and wrong.


Hmm, so you think Jeremiah Wright had some good points? What would they be, pray tell?


11 posted on 12/23/2011 10:12:13 AM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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To: Fee
“Not everything Wright and Paul asserts is illogical and wrong.”

Your heroes Rev. Jeremiah Wright and Ron Paul have been wrong about just about everything they have ever said. Not just wrong, dangerously stupid and wrong.

They both blame all the problems in the world on the American people and say that Americans are greedy and warlike etc. and that the rest of the world is good and virtuous.

They both viciously attacked Ronald Reagan when he was implementing the policies that won the cold war and advocated appeasement, moral cowardice and supporting the most brutal dictatorships in the world.

They both admire Iran's anti-American policies and Iran's providing IED’s to maim and kill Americans. They both promote racial hatred and racial animosity.

You admire Ron Paul and Rev Jeremiah Wright. You think Iran is good and America is bad. You think the American people are to blame for the 9/11 attacks. You think Ronald Reagan was wrong in his policies. You want to promote racial violence and racial ill will.

You are the kind of person who votes for Ron Paul.

15 posted on 12/23/2011 10:20:47 AM PST by detective
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To: Fee
... Out of good intentions ...

We ought to remember the saying about the road to hell and good intentions and take a good hard look at the results of neo-con foreign policy.

While my research thus far leads me to believe that Ron Paul is naive regarding the most basic motivation of Jihadis, consider the following:

GW kept reminding us that 'Islam is a religion of 'peace'. Never mentioned that Islam is a total political system and peace is achieved when there is a world wide caliphate under Sharia.

Ultimately Paul's foreign policy would be better for both Israel and Christianity.

While Israel would get no foreign aid, neither would its enemies:
2011 Interview

Newsmax: What should our relationship be with Israel?
Ron Paul:
We should be their friend and their trading partner. They are a democracy and we share many values with them. But we should not be their master. We should not dictate where their borders will be nor should we have veto power over their foreign policy.
... Stop and consider America’s policy: We give $3 billion a year to Israel in loans; and we give $12 billion or more in assistance to Israel’s self-declared enemies. Some of these are countries that say they will drive Israel into the sea.
... We should share intelligence for mutually agreed-upon goals. We should honor our pledge to refuse any arms sales that would undermine Israel’s qualitative military edge in the region.

As a result of nation building, promoting 'democracy' in the middle east, and PC immigration, not only are we flat broke but:

Iraq's Christians Near Extinction

Per Pamela Geller "US policy regarding the refugee resettlement program would shock most Americans if they only knew. The UN picks who becomes US refugees. Christians are being refused refugee status and face persecution and many times certain death for their religious beliefs under the sharia, while whole Muslim communities are entering the US by the tens of thousands per month despite the fact that they face no religious persecution"

FYI Paul would stop funding the UN.
22 posted on 12/23/2011 10:45:27 AM PST by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: Fee

IBTZ. troll


29 posted on 12/23/2011 11:06:15 AM PST by madmaximus (Anyone But Robamney.)
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To: Fee

You folks are sure scared of this guy. You better be. He be coming.


55 posted on 12/23/2011 9:31:15 PM PST by Ardenroad gal
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To: Fee
“Now we are totally broke with 15 trillion in debt and 70 billion in unfunded liabilities”

One of Paul's stupid statements that the rubes fall for. We are broke because of entitlement spending; not because of our relatively small foreign aid budget.
Paul dishes this crap out; and his jell brained followers don't question any of it. Scary; this is how fascism starts.

81 posted on 12/24/2011 7:51:19 PM PST by HereInTheHeartland (I love how the FR spellchecker doesn't recognize the word "Obama")
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