Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

New Politifact Lie of the Year: Republicans voted to kill Medicare (Ryan pushes Grandma off cliff)
Hotair ^ | 12/20/2011 | Ed Morrissey

Posted on 12/20/2011 12:17:23 PM PST by SeekAndFind

I wonder whether this award will have those conservatives blasting politically-motivated “fact check” operations rethinking that criticism? Naaaah. Why let a little inconsistency ruin one’s vindication?

Republicans muscled a budget through the House of Representatives in April that they said would take an important step toward reducing the federal deficit. Introduced by U.S. Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin, the plan kept Medicare intact for people 55 or older, but dramatically changed the program for everyone else by privatizing it and providing government subsidies.

Democrats pounced. Just four days after the party-line vote, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee released a Web ad that said seniors will have to pay $12,500 more for health care “because Republicans voted to end Medicare.”

Rep. Steve Israel of New York, head of the DCCC, appeared on cable news shows and declared that Republicans voted to “terminate Medicare.” A Web video from the Agenda Project, a liberal group, said the plan would leave the country “without Medicare” and showed a Ryan look-alike pushing an old woman in a wheelchair off a cliff. And just last month, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi sent a fundraising appeal that said: “House Republicans’ vote to end Medicare is a shameful act of betrayal.”

After two years of being pounded by Republicans with often false charges about the 2010 health care law, the Democrats were turning the tables.

PolitiFact debunked the Medicare charge in nine separate fact-checks rated False or Pants on Fire, most often in attacks leveled against Republican House members.

Now, PolitiFact has chosen the Democrats’ claim as the 2011 Lie of the Year.

Actually, Robert VerBruggen at National Review did decide to rain on the schadenfreude parade, saying that this actually demonstrates the point about politically-motivated “fact-checking”:

“Ignor[ing]” something may have the effect of presenting an incomplete picture, but it’s not a “lie,” and official Democratic propaganda does not purport to offer a complete picture. The second point is considerably stronger — people who don’t follow politics could have gotten the impression that the government would no longer help seniors with their health care at all, and “privatize” and “voucherize” are far more precise words than “end” — but even these claims are well within the bounds of normal political discourse: The Ryan plan is a deep, serious reform — it ends some of the program’s major features, and if traditional-Medicare supporters see those features as the core of the program, it’s fair for them to say it ends the program. And regarding point three, as Matthew Yglesias points out, only the elderly are eligible for Medicare, so it makes sense to use the elderly in ads, even if today’s elderly aren’t the ones affected.

Well, I think VerBruggen misses the forest for the trees. PolitiFact checked to see whether Republicans had indeed voted to kill Medicare. The answer is an obvious, and resounding, no. The Ryan plan did not kill or end Medicare, not for today’s seniors, and not even for tomorrow’s or next year’s seniors. It transformed a future Medicare from a defined-benefit plan to a defined-contribution plan, based in no small part on the framework Democrats pushed in ObamaCare. The government would still offer Medicare benefits, albeit in a different form, and would even have a fairly similar “public option” plan as a choice in the Medicare “exchange,” in a similar arrangement seniors had before ObamaCare gutted Medicare Advantage.

That’s the lie, not the few nits that Verbruggen picks with the supporting argument from PolitiFact, with some justification. Is it the Lie of the Year? That could be debatable, but it certainly was a significant one, and it really didn’t take PolitiFact to confirm that.

Update: FactCheck included it as one of the four “whoppers” of the year. Their choices are bipartisan, two from each side, but the last one smacks Barack Obama hard:



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: 2016election; abortion; deathpanels; election2016; gop; medicare; nationalreview; obamacare; paulryan; robertverbruggen; wisconsin; zerocare

Grandma didn’t get run over by a Ryan.
1 posted on 12/20/2011 12:17:25 PM PST by SeekAndFind
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind
Gee... wouldn't it be nice to have a republican party leadership that would strike back so hard at obama and the satanic party that they lose teeth and bleed out? Instead... crickets... deafening lonely crickets.

LLS

2 posted on 12/20/2011 12:31:30 PM PST by LibLieSlayer ("Americans are hungry to feel once again a sense of mission and greatness." Ronaldo Magnus)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: LibLieSlayer

This is what our dear frontrunner called “radical rightwing social engineering”


3 posted on 12/20/2011 12:50:24 PM PST by heiss (heartless and inhumane (radical rightwinger))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: heiss
Yep... well we need George Patton... not a fat little albino chubball progressive... we need a candidate that will look into the camera and say:

“david axlerod not only looks like hitler... he acts and thinks and plots like hitler. obama is a communist with islamic genetics. He is not only a liar and a con man... he is lazy and evil. His party has destroyed this once great republic... he has so damaged our economy that most of us will never live to see times such as those that we grew up in.

The man has never held a real job... his biographies are filled with lies and deceit... his history is sealed off from the people so that the truth about him will never surface... his past is that of a radical domestic terrorist... he holds multiple social security numbers... the one he used to run for president failed his own checks and balance system as being flagged as having been issued to someone else... his father and grandfather were communists... he grew up hating America and what we stand for. He refuses to issue his real long form birth certificate. He is a festering racist carbuncle... and obama only plays two things... lots of golf and the race card".

LLS

4 posted on 12/20/2011 1:29:50 PM PST by LibLieSlayer ("Americans are hungry to feel once again a sense of mission and greatness." Ronaldo Magnus)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson