Posted on 12/19/2011 9:52:16 PM PST by dangus
Perhaps the rise in European birth rates are due to Muslims having children?
Numerous Moslem countries are above 2.2. And no, abortion is not allowed under islam.
Kindly read the article.
2.2 would presume a 10% death rate among juveniles, which is low for some African nations, but several times higher than any European nation. In fact, I’ve never seen higher than 2.1 used; In Europe, 2.03 would probably be too high.
As I mentioned, given the heavy skewing of the Middle Eastern and North African populations towards young, fertile people, further fertility rate declines are pretty much locked in among the Muslims.
The thing is, even if they ramped up to a 4.0 birth rate...the years of the too-low birth rates are going to cause tremendous problems. They have a huge hole in their demographics. when the last of the fecund era hits retirement age, there will be economic calamity. Its like our baby boom generation only worse.
The first group of nations, except for iceland, have good economies. Iceland weent into a depression, but I think it is improving now.
yes, europeans have a very low childhood death rate. But they also have a very long effective childhood. In the middle east it takes less than 20 years for a female to begin producing babies. In europe, more than 30 years.
“Perhaps the rise in European birth rates are due to Muslims having children?”
It is, of course. But some people like to spew pro-Islam propaganda (without links) and tell us they’re not a problem, and are not a major factor...yet half of the births (or more, now) in Amsterdam, for example, are to Muslim parents.
Wow, I'm spewing pro-Islam propaganda? I can't help notice you're too passive-aggressive to write that to me directly.
So here's your data: Yes, the fertility rates of Muslims in Britain is still higher than that of the British. But Muslims comprise only 2.7% of the British population and only 0.8% of the Irish population. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_Republic_of_Ireland#Religions http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_United_Kingdom#Religion
In Russia, they comprise a far larger share of the population, but their birth rates are actually far lower than the Christian Russian population, and they are converting away from Islam in large numbers. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_Russia
According to the 2002 Census, 9.96% of the Russian population belongs to ethnic groups which had traditionally practiced Islam (such as Tatars, Bashkirs, Chechens and Azeris). However the actual number of Muslims is expected to be much lower than this amount, due to the existence of a large number of Christian congregations among these groups (Keräşens and Nağaybäks among Tatars, Mozdok Christians among Kabardians, etc. According to Vyacheslav Sanin, one-third of Adzharians, 25% each of Tatars and Adyghe and more than 10% of Kazakhs living in Russia practice Christianity, with many more being atheist[41]). The number of Muslims among other ethnic groups is believed to be much smaller, amounting to only a few thousand.[42] Most of the Russian sources give a figure of around 6% of the total population based on surveys,I don't know if your source is wrong, but Amsterdam is probably like a lot of American cities in having a "predominantly minority" population. Consider Sweden, where Malmo has become a virtually Shariah police state, the Muslims are such a dominant group. And yet only 106,000 Swedes are registered Muslims, out of about 500,000 Swedes from Muslim extraction (6% of the total population.)
That’s why demographers use children born per woman, rather than children born per fertile woman; it makes the data trail for decades, but reduces the effect on overall population growth of the age of the mother at childbirth: This way, it doesn’t matter if the woman giving birth is 15 or 40, a woman will still give birth to x number of children in her life. But birth rates in Europe are still statistically depressed by 60-year-old women who never had kids. It also makes it very impressive that fertility rates have plunged so far in North Africa and the Middle East, since such a high proportion of the women in those regions are still fertile.
And to be clear, 500,000 (those from traditionally Muslim ethnic grous) is 6% of the population; practicing Muslims (those registered in a mosque) are only 1.5% of the population.
These are encouraging statistics as long as the Europeans are not Islamicized by PC education.
Contrarily, suppose a country like Russia or Italy has had a very low fertility rate. The population of 60-year-olds greatly exceeds the population of 20-year-olds. Those 60-year-olds have already lost their chance to procreate. But they still weigh in the fertility rates, so for the fertility rates to reach the stability level (slightly above 2), the 20-year-olds will need to make up for the childlessness of the 60-year-olds. Of course, this means that the previous fertility plunge was o-so devestating, but that the recovery is further along than it may appear.
In both cases, the reverses in fertility rates is far more dramatic than would appear, because the denominator includes all women, but the numerator is produced only by fertile women.
The ents are waking up. David Cameron is not an ent, but he is made politically safe by the ents. This news would have been unthinkable a few short years ago:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-16224394
i've lived in Warsaw for about 18 months now and have travelled quite extensively around Poland and there is a baby boom -- I see a lot of families with two, three or more kids (though the norm is three). The reason for the low number is because millions of Poles went to the UK, France, Germany etc. to work for better pay and even now, though the job situation is better, many do go abroad and it is an aim for many (hence the large number of szkoły jężykowe (language schools) teaching English, German, Spanish and French.
it depends on which countries, but it’s not all Moslem...
Not really. They did not have such a sharp drop (except for Bulgaria), but a gradual drop down. The drop was not as sharp as Japan or China’s.
Iceland’s population is just about 200,000 — so the growth or decline in % terms will always be more affected by a hundred more or less births than in other countries
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