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The Bomb Buried In Obamacare Explodes Today-Hallelujah!
Forbes ^ | December 2, 2012 | Rick Ungar

Posted on 12/02/2011 7:18:23 PM PST by Republican Wildcat

I have long argued that the impact of the Affordable Care Act is not nearly as big of a deal as opponents would have you believe. At the end of the day, the law is – in the main – little more than a successful effort to put an end to some of the more egregious health insurer abuses while creating an environment that should bring more Americans into programs that will give them at least some of the health care coverage they need.

There is, however, one notable exception – and it’s one that should have a long lasting and powerful impact on the future of health care in our country.

That would be the provision of the law, called the medical loss ratio, that requires health insurance companies to spend 80% of the consumers’ premium dollars they collect—85% for large group insurers—on actual medical care rather than overhead, marketing expenses and profit. Failure on the part of insurers to meet this requirement will result in the insurers having to send their customers a rebate check representing the amount in which they underspend on actual medical care.

This is the true ‘bomb’ contained in Obamacare and the one item that will have more impact on the future of how medical care is paid for in this country than anything we’ve seen in quite some time. Indeed, it is this aspect of the law that represents the true ‘death panel’ found in Obamacare—but not one that is going to lead to the death of American consumers. Rather, the medical loss ration will, ultimately, lead to the death of large parts of the private, for-profit health insurance industry.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: healthcare; obamacare; obamacarebomb; socializedmedicine
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Actually it would lead to the death of newer competing companies - helping the largest corporations make more cash by killing off competitors and lowering the amount of choice available for consumers. I've said on here before that a lot of these policies that are being enacted by Obama and the Democrats are not just designed to get people hooked on the government - but to protect the established super rich from having any new people invading their turf - ending the concept of upward mobility and keeping people trapped where they are.
1 posted on 12/02/2011 7:18:33 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: Republican Wildcat
If the same standard were applied to the entire FEHB program (where the end product is a private medical insurer) such that the primary insurer, the US government, were required to attribute the costs of tax collection, interest payment, and so forth to the full cost of the administration of the medical insurance provided federal employees, FEHB wouldn't make the 85% level!

They'd have to send rebates to federal workers and retirees!

If the Republicans want to totally devastate the ObamaKKKare system they should slip in a clause in an innocuous piece of legislation that REQUIRES all government medical care programs to fully allocate all attributable costs incurred in COLLECTING THE FUNDS TO PAY FOR THEM we can all have a lot of fun eh.

2 posted on 12/02/2011 7:28:35 PM PST by muawiyah
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...would lead to the death of newer competing companies - helping the largest corporations make more cash by killing off competitors and lowering the amount of choice available for consumers.

Bet the largest corporations were all Obumer DumyRat 2008 and 2010 campaign donors.

3 posted on 12/02/2011 7:29:46 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Republican Wildcat

The government won’t apply the same rule to themselves - they won’t be spending 85% of what they take in for medical care on medical care...


4 posted on 12/02/2011 7:30:40 PM PST by GOPJ (Better is a dinner of herbs where love is, Than a fatted calf with hatred - Proverbs 15)
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:Actually it would lead to the death of newer competing companies....”

BINGO We have a winner.


5 posted on 12/02/2011 7:33:40 PM PST by steveab (When was the last time someone tried to sell you a CO2 induced climate control system for your home?)
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To: Republican Wildcat
the medical loss ration will, ultimately, lead to the death of large parts of the private, for-profit health insurance industry.

Yeah, that huge profit is between 3 and 5%.

6 posted on 12/02/2011 7:33:53 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER ( Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: Republican Wildcat

Actually, he’s wrong; the medical loss ratio is only the first or many bombs. There are many more horrors awaiting us within Obamacare.


7 posted on 12/02/2011 7:37:50 PM PST by eclecticEel (Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness: 7/4/1776 - 3/21/2010)
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To: Republican Wildcat
Electronic Health Record (EHR) investments will be declared a medical expense. When the hospital or hospital group charges $1,000 just to get in the door of the ER...all their bloated, bureaucratic and illegal alien costs will be loaded into their prices and allowed as a medical cost.

Everybody will get more at the expense/elimination of the ONLY entities trying to drive efficiency into the system.

Costs will go up. Way up.

Our per capita expenditures on healthcare will increase no less than 100% over the next 5 years...unless we can stop this monster.

8 posted on 12/02/2011 7:41:41 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: GOPJ
Boehner CAN write legislation that DOES require application of the same rules to the government ~ and even specify what "administative costs" are.

For example, there's IRS. Then, for folks who don't pay there are the federal courts, then the prison system.

I did this several years back using public numbers for the Canadian system. Once you got through the tax collection systems of each province you really didn't need to add in the courts and prisons ~ since Canada has ONE OF THE MOST INEFFICIENT TAX COLLECTION systems in the G20 just that was enough to boost Canadian medical costs above ours on a per person basis!

The US system is much better, but even it won't make the 85% standard.

Your private insurer uses state courts, even county courts, to deal with non-payment or collection costs. Those courts are remarkably less costly than federal courts, jails and work camps.

9 posted on 12/02/2011 7:44:51 PM PST by muawiyah
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I think one of the big bombs hitting right now is the 10% reduction in Medicare payments to hopitals and other providers. I don’t know if that was Obamacare or just bad timing.


10 posted on 12/02/2011 7:46:36 PM PST by marsh2
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To: Republican Wildcat


11 posted on 12/02/2011 7:58:04 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Chode

I can’t wait to confront the Ba$tards at my mandatory end of life counselling.


12 posted on 12/02/2011 9:12:06 PM PST by anoldafvet (Sarah, we need you.)
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To: steveab

Crony Captialism, Part MMXXXVIII.


13 posted on 12/02/2011 9:18:13 PM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Republican Wildcat
The 85% rule can be handled by raising rates until the remaining 15% is sufficient to cover your minimum administrative costs to do business. Of course, lots of folks won't be able to afford it. If your rates are capped so you can't raise them enough to cover costs, you shut the doors. Nobody gets coverage.
14 posted on 12/02/2011 9:18:34 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: Myrddin
My B-I-L will lose his job of fifteen years working for Blue Cross because of this new “Obamacare” rule.

For the time being, he has to deal with Health Care Plan Brokers and explain the 25% increase in Premiums that they have to pass on to their Corporate Clients.

But hey, Unemployment is only 8.6% so what are we complaining about? LOL

15 posted on 12/02/2011 9:35:03 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (Liberals, Useful Idiots Voting for Useless Idiots...)
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To: Myrddin
Oh yeah I forgot, BINGO!

You just explained another example of Unintended Consequences. Unfortunately, nothing Obama and the Democrats do is “unintended”.

16 posted on 12/02/2011 9:39:03 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (Liberals, Useful Idiots Voting for Useless Idiots...)
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To: GOPJ

There’s a statement in Obamacare that the 80-85% rule includes process improvement. Some hospitals are hiring six sigma black belts and especially trainers. Then all medical staff and especially administrators get six sigma training. Some managers then get certified as process improvement experts as part of their job. Managers then become “process improvement people” instead of overhead and then are allowable as the 80-85%, while mostly doing management and a few “data collection efforts” and “planned improvement initiatives”.
2 black belts hired, dozens of managers get reclassed as no longer admins on overhead


17 posted on 12/02/2011 9:40:07 PM PST by tbw2
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To: Republican Wildcat

Fire Obama, legislate tort reform, and allow interstate health insurance.

(Firing Obama assumes the next guy cancels Obamacare)


18 posted on 12/02/2011 9:45:55 PM PST by G Larry ("I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his Character.")
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To: Republican Wildcat
Government Doesn't Work.
19 posted on 12/02/2011 11:20:22 PM PST by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: Republican Wildcat

HEY! Yeah YOU, Rick Ungerachiever! Obama”care” is anti-competive AND restricts our freedom of choice.

Thus, it violates BOTH the 1890 Sherman Anti-Trust Law and the US Constitution.

BTW Ricky-boy, can you “live with that?”


20 posted on 12/02/2011 11:21:22 PM PST by Graewoulf ( obama"care" violates the 1890 Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND is illegal by the U.S. Constitution.)
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