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A Bold Way to Save Education in America
Godfather Politics ^ | November 12, 2011 | Art Robinson

Posted on 12/02/2011 5:15:24 AM PST by 1010RD

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To: 1010RD

Certification equals Indoctrination. It makes sense if you know the objective, right?


41 posted on 12/02/2011 10:18:19 PM PST by itsahoot (Throw them all out!)
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To: 1010RD
Tax funding for Oregon schools is now, on average, about $10,000 per student year.
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Local control is still local socialism.

1) The children who attend risk becoming accustomed to accepting a tuition-free socialist service. Well?...If the government ( local or not) can use the threat of police action to take money from a neighbor to give them socialist schooling, why not use that government power to get lots of socialist goodies

2) It is **IMPOSSIBLE** to have a culturally, politically, and religiously neutral education. Even if school districts were the size of a city block or a suburban housing division, there is no way to reconcile the various worldviews of even those few families. In the end, the largest political bully group gets to dictate the worldview of the area's children and they have the government police force to make other citizens pay for it.

3) Ok....Let's say all socialist K-12 schooling were returned to the town level. How many generations would it take to reproduce the federal and state monstrosity that we have now? One? Two? Three generations? Socialism's natural course is to move toward greater and greater centralization.

4) Finally...Secularism is NOT NOT NOT religiously neutral! In a secular school a child must think and reason godlessly merely to cooperate within the classroom! How can that be religiously neutral? It can't! The point is that it is impossible to have a religiously neutral education, and no citizen should be forced to pay for the establishment of the religious worldview of the biggest political bullies in the town.

Socialist schooling is a First Amendment and freedom of conscience abomination!

Solution: We must begin the process of privatizing universal K-12 education. What's needed is complete separation of school and state.

By the way....It only took one to three generations of modern locally controlled socialist education to produce **four** terms of Franklin D. Roosevelt.

( Not proof read)

42 posted on 12/03/2011 5:58:10 AM PST by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: SumProVita
Of course, we must all share in the blame ... because, as a nation, we began to ignore God and His Wisdom.
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Well....Sending generations of kids to socialist schools that were at first a lukewarm Protestant, then secular with a nod to God, and now utterly godless hasn't helped any.

At there very best our modern socialist schools offered the children a lukewarm and generic Protestantism. What does Christ do with the lukewarm? He spits them out of His mouth! Children who attend schools like this risk learning to be generic and lukewarm about their faith.

My grandmother ( born 1894) attended secular socialist schools that merely nodded to God in the morning. Children who attend these schools risk learning to think godlessly and occasionally nod to God.

Today's socialist schools are utterly godless, and merely to cooperate in the classroom children must think and reason godlessly. How can they not, at least while there?

If you are wondering how America lost its way, maybe the local godless socialist school is a good place to start looking.

Socialist schooling is an abomination. One more generation of this and I doubt we will survive as a free people. It's like looking a train wreck happening in slow motion.

43 posted on 12/03/2011 6:08:20 AM PST by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: Spartan79
Return the control of education to local school boards.
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Even if school districts were the size of a city block or a suburban housing division, the schools would still be socialist and they would still be either godlessly secular or lukewarm and generic in their religious worldview.

Children who attend schools like this risk learning to be comfortable accepting a tuition-free socialist service provided to them by threat of police force. Well?...Why not use that force to get lots of socialist goodies?

Children who would attend these schools risk learn to think godlessly or to be lukewarm and generic in their religious belief.

Fundamentally, socialist schooling is a First Amendment and freedom of conscience abomination, not only to the children and their families but the taxpayer who is under police threat to pay for it.

44 posted on 12/03/2011 6:13:31 AM PST by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: JenB
But the seed was planted in poisonous ground and even then the motives of the people behind “public” schooling - not the teachers, but the administrators and visionaries - has been incompatible with a traditional conservative American viewpoint.
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You “get it”.

I find it discouraging how few Freepers, who are conservative in every other way, fail to understand.

I have been hammered in the past for being too strident...but..honestly, I fear for this nation. One more generation of children ( future voters) indoctrinated in godless and socialist compulsory schools and we will be a nation of slaves.

45 posted on 12/03/2011 6:22:48 AM PST by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: netmilsmom
Nope, I don’t share the blame nor will I take the blame and the sooner that conservatives learn this the better.
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Exactly!

And..Yep! I think conservatives should get on the collectivist people's education committee ( oops! “school board”). Conservatives should have **one** goal while participating in the collectivist education people's committee: Closing down **all** socialist schooling!

46 posted on 12/03/2011 6:27:17 AM PST by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: SumProVita
If children attend schools that are lukewarm and generic in their Protestantism do you think they will learn to be lukewarm and generic Protestants? ( By the way, Christ spits the lukewarm out of His mouth!)

If children attend godlessly secular schools do you think they will learn to think secularly and nod to God on occasion?

If children attend utter godless schools what do you think they will learn?

If children attend socialist schools, do you think they might learn to be comfortable with taking money from a neighbor for other socialist “free” goods and services?

47 posted on 12/03/2011 6:32:26 AM PST by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: 1010RD

So socialism on the town level is better?

It’s better to have the socialist school committee dictate the political, cultural, and religious worldview of other people’s children and use police threat to make citizens pay for it?


48 posted on 12/03/2011 6:35:47 AM PST by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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