The Mormon Factor

The Washington Times ^ | Nov. 25, 2011 | Jennifer Harper

[Elsie]

Many of us trying to take a more realistic rational approach to debate have been asked to pack their bags.

Oh?

There are a lot of folks who say ONLY Romney can save us; but MOST say that only Romney can cause us to LOSE again; AKA McCain redux!

[Elsie]

Don't you realize a RINO takeover is the death knell of the party?

Don't you realize how MANY TeaParty folks will BE at the Republican Convention!!!!

Can you say Republican SPRING?

[Elsie]

And have Mormon "prophets" gone on record as saying that "Living Mormon 'prophets'" trump even written Mormon "scripture?" [On this one see Ezra Taft Benson's "14 Fundamentals of a Mormon prophet" speech]

Cue Slim Whitman!

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In conclusion let us summarize this grand key, these “Fourteen Fundamentals in Following the Prophet”, for our salvation depends on them.

1. The prophet is the only man who speaks for the Lord in everything.
2. The living prophet is more vital to us than the standard works.
3. The living prophet is more important to us than a dead prophet.
4. The prophet will never lead the church astray.
5. The prophet is not required to have any particular earthly training or credentials to speak on any subject or act on any matter at any time.
6. The prophet does not have to say “Thus Saith the Lord,” to give us scripture.
7. The prophet tells us what we need to know, not always what we want to know.
8. The prophet is not limited by men’s reasoning.
9. The prophet can receive revelation on any matter, temporal or spiritual.
10. The prophet may advise on civic matters.
11. The two groups who have the greatest difficulty in following the prophet are the proud who are learned and the proud who are rich.
12. The prophet will not necessarily be popular with the world or the worldly.
13. The prophet and his counselors make up the First Presidency—the highest quorum in the Church.
14. The prophet and the presidency—the living prophet and the First Presidency—follow them and be blessed—reject them and suffer.

I testify that these fourteen fundamentals in following the living prophet are true. If we want to know how well we stand with the Lord then let us ask ourselves how well we stand with His mortal captain—how close do our lives harmonize with the Lord’s anointed—the living Prophet—President of the Church, and with the Quorum of the First Presidency.

Ezra Taft Benson

(Address given Tuesday, February 26, 1980 at Brigham Young University)

[Vaquero]

Dogma whether is be LDS..... RC... Christian......Buddhist.... Hindu.... Hebrew....Muzzy....Sumerian.... Zoroastrian... or whatever...

....is still dogma.

(BTW people out there are currently looking toward the Aztec prophecies of the end of the world in 2012...like, whatever)

[panaxanax]

Elsie,

It is very clear from your ever so predictable stream of rants on this thread that you’re trying to drag me into yet another argument about Mormonism and the LDS Church.

Not gonna’ happen this time, little missy.

I have posted at least 1000 times to you and your cohorts that I am not a Mormon. The fact that I defend their right to worship as they wish seems to always strike a raw nerve with you.

Why you make it your concern as to how people choose to worship God has always struck me as childish & immature behavior. Believe me, there are far more important issues presently facing our country than someone choosing to attend the Mormon Church.

Perhaps it would be more beneficial to both you and our country if you could direct your strong passions towards how our economy is crashing, ever-looming terror attacks or how America will be doomed if Obama gets elected again?

My best advice to you is to start teaching your pony a new trick before you lose your entire audience.

You asked “Why can’t you MORMONs find a CONSERVATIVE mormon?”

You know as well as anyone that there are millions of Conservative Mormons. The problem is that there are none running for President. Are you saying that you would vote for a Conservative Mormon? Are you depending on the LDS to provide a Conservative for you to vote for?

[Elsie]

Yeah...

Just recently the world was all buggy about 11/11/11

but it COMPLETELY missed the palindrome (nothing about Sarah) of 11/20/2011

[Elsie]

The fact that I defend their right to worship as they wish seems to always strike a raw nerve with you.

You miss the point still; after all of these lessons.

[Elsie]

It is very clear from your ever so predictable stream of rants on this thread that you’re trying to drag me into yet another argument about Mormonism and the LDS Church.

Then you probably should AVOID threads with titles like, oh let's say: The Mormon Factor

[Elsie]

Are you saying that you would vote for a Conservative Mormon?

One would think, that in those 1,000 times, you would have seen a YES answer.

It appears you do not read as throughly as I'd hoped.

[Elsie]

Are you depending on the LDS to provide a Conservative for you to vote for?

Who else, Scientologists?

If they wanna get one of their boys (sorry ladies) in the Big Chair; they'd BETTER find one; 'cause Mitt and Jon just ain't cuttin' it!

[Elsie]

The fact that I defend their right to worship as they wish seems to always strike a raw nerve with you.

The fact that I post stuff directly from the BIBLE and MORMON printing presses that CLEARLY illustrates the fact that MORMONism is a HERESY of Christianity, seems to have struck a raw nerve with you.

Are you somehow wanting to limit my FREEDOM of speech on FREERepublic to say (type) what I do?

[Elsie]

Why you make it your concern as to how people choose to worship God has always struck me as childish & immature behavior.

Yet you have NO words for THESE guys?

[bert]

——is a HERESY of Christianity——

The word heresy and the concept involved is a priestly construction to protect their job and more importantly their collection plate take.

[Elsie]

I have posted at least 1000 times to you and your cohorts that I am not a Mormon.

Can I assume, from your responses in this thread, that you're not a CHRISTIAN; either?

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Acts 17:18-19
 18.  A group of Epicurean and Stoic philosophers began to dispute with him. Some of them asked, "What is this babbler trying to say?" Others remarked, "He seems to be advocating foreign gods." They said this because Paul was preaching the good news about Jesus and the resurrection.
 19.  Then they took him and brought him to a meeting of the Areopagus, where they said to him, "May we know what this new teaching is that you are presenting?

 

Acts 18:11
    So Paul stayed for a year and a half, teaching them the word of God.

 

 

 

 

 

Romans 15:4
 For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.

 

 

Romans 16:17
   I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them.

 

 

1 Corinthians 4:17
   For this reason I am sending to you Timothy, my son whom I love, who is faithful in the Lord. He will remind you of my way of life in Christ Jesus, which agrees with what I teach everywhere in every church.

 

 

1 Corinthians 11:2
 2.  I praise you for remembering me in everything and for holding to the teachings,  just as I passed them on to you.

 

 

Ephesians 4:14-15
 14.  Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming.
 15.  Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ.

 

 

2 Thessalonians 2:15
   So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the teachings  we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.

 

 

2 Thessalonians 3:6
  In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers, to keep away from every brother who is idle and does not live according to the teaching  you received from us.

 

 

1 Timothy 1:3-4
 3.  As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer
 4.  nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God's work--which is by faith.

 

 

1 Timothy 1:7
  They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm.

 

 

1 Timothy 2:7
   And for this purpose I was appointed a herald and an apostle--I am telling the truth, I am not lying--and a teacher of the true faith to the Gentiles.

 

 

1 Timothy 4:1-2
 1.  The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
 2.  Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.

 

 

1 Timothy 4:6
   If you point these things out to the brothers, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, brought up in the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed.

 

 

1 Timothy 4:11
  Command and teach these things.

 

 

1 Timothy 6:3-5
 3.  If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching,
 4.  he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions 
 5.  and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.

 

 

2 Timothy 1:13
  What you heard from me, keep as the pattern of sound teaching, with faith and love in Christ Jesus.

 

 

 2 Timothy 2:15-17
 15.  Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.
 16.  Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly.
 17.  Their teaching will spread like gangrene.

 

 

2 Timothy 3:16-17
 16.  All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
 17.  so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

 

 

 2 Timothy 4:3-4
  3.  For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
  4.  They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.

 

 

Titus 1:11
   They must be silenced, because they are ruining whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach--and that for the sake of dishonest gain.

 

 

Titus 2:1
  You must teach what is in accord with sound doctrine.

 

 

Titus 2:15
  These, then, are the things you should teach. Encourage and rebuke with all authority. Do not let anyone despise you.

 

 

 Hebrews 13:9
 Do not be carried away by all kinds of strange teachings.

 

 

 2 Peter 2:1-3
 1.  But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
 2.  Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
 3.  In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.

 

 

2 John 1:10
  If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him.

[Godzilla]

Well Colo, looks like teppe has bailed on us

[panaxanax]

LOL

Your rapid multiple posts clearly prove my point in regards to your unhealthy obsession with Mormonism. Thank you.

Have a nice day. I’m off to the rifle range.

[Tennessee Nana]

I am not a Mormon. The fact that I defend their right to worship as they wish
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If you feel people think you are a Mormon maybe thats why...

While you “defend their right to worship as they wish”

You dont defend the rights of Christians to worship as they wish”

Mormons dead dunk Christians into Mormonism after they die...

Thus forcing on them a religion they followed while they were alive...

and a worship system they never wished for...

Wheres the outcry of indignation from you ???

Are you not going to “defend” the Christians “right to worship as they wish”

just as you defend the Mormons ???

[JAKraig]

but you’re dreaming if you think we will ever be able to win a National election with anything close to a “conservative.”

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What are you smoking? Reagan took 49 states, I don’t think you can get much more conservative than him.

[I am Richard Brandon]

"looks like teppe has bailed on us"

I miss teppe; I miss the intellectual challenge; I miss the deep religious analysis. I miss it all but I wouldn't miss Obozo or Mitt.

[JAKraig]

The last thing I want to do is argue about Mormon Doctrines, I can't because I guess I don't know enough of it to do so. I have learned a lot in my many years of marriage to my active LDS wife.

Mormons, many of them anyway do believe that if they stay close to Jesus Christ, and follow Him to the best of their ability and accept His grace if they don't, THEN in the worlds to come, they MAY possibly receive what they call exaltation. Exaltation is something that they say may happen in the afterlife.

All religions, or nearly all have things that will happen in an afterlife. No matter what they have in the afterlife it doesn't affect me here in this life.

Whether I come back as some animal, or sit on a cloud strumming a harp it just doesn't matter to me if I don't believe it.

The one thing I have learned is that Mormons believe in letting others believe what they want. When the missionaries try to get someone interested in their religion I like it that I or anyone else can say, “not today” they will leave. It's nice that they want to save me but if I don't want to be saved they understand and let it go. That doesn't mean they wont ask again another day but I don't have a problem with it. If they believe in Kolob, then let them have it it doesn't hut me.

If the Mormon Church were out promoting Romney I think I would be concerned. I have attended their meetings. As soon as someone starts making a political statement they are interrupted by the leaders and told to stay out of politics, that church is not the right place for it. I doubt if they do that just for my benefit, I have been around for a long time.

I have spoken to Mormons who like Romney but I have spoken to just as many who don't. I have spoken to many who nearly cried when Palin got out, I sympathize with them.

Romney is probably a really nice guy. He has been true to his faith, his wife and family and a hard worker. He just isn't a nice truly conservative guy. There is a really nice conservative guy running, his name is Herman Cain. there is a really nice conservative woman running, her name is Michelle Bachman. She has put her Christian virtues where her mouth is, she has raised 10’s of kids as a foster mother, how many people demonstrate their love in that way? Not many.