Ya THINK?!!
Posted on 11/25/2011 6:08:09 AM PST by lakeprincess
I found it simply amazing that so many so-called FR "conservatives" are willing to let the GOP go downt he drain once and for all and become as extinct as the Whigs.
What? Do you think the conservative base of the party is just going to submit to a liberal RINO and the RINO takeover of the party and just roll over and play dead and submit themselves to this takeover?
Don't you realize a RINO takeover is the death knell of the party?
Don't you realize that GOP registered voters is only a bit over 1/3rd of all voters as it is? (About 36%)
If you knock that down to a quarter or possibly 20% of all voters -- with more than 10% of them being RINOs -- you really think there's anything left of the GOP to ever challenge the Democrats again?
How short-sighted can you get?
I am 50 years old, an Active LDS (mormon) member all of my life .... and frankly .... I have no idea what you are talking about! Mormons believing they are going to inherit a planet??? Where did you get ahold of that anti-mormon fantasy? Show me where that is in the Bible/Book of Mormon! Or where Christ promised that? Essentially, I believe that you are either incredibly gullible, ignorant, decieved or ... possibly all three at the same time! Please, for the love of God himself, grow a brain. [Teppe to "I am Richard Brandon"]
ALL: This is typical Mormon subterfuge. I don't know if Mormon FREEPERS like Ripliancum and Teppe makes them out to simply be ignorant Mormons; or, if it's worse ("lyin' for the Lord")...who knows their level of knowledge or intent?
But let's break this down and get to the truth, shall we?
Just as Ripliancum claimed last month, Teppe says here:
Mormons believing they are going to inherit a planet??? Where did you get ahold of that anti-mormon fantasy? Show me where that is in the Bible/Book of Mormon! Or where Christ promised that? [Teppe]
This was similar to Mormon poster Ripliancum failing to 'fess up over his similar epic failure where, he, too -- like Teppe -- lost all credibility once and for all on FR threads (Oct 23, 2011). Ripliancum claims: "Educate yourself. In my 40 plus years in the LDS church, I've never heard taught that we will all be gods of our own planets. That's a talking point of the evangelical opposition to the Church." [post #10]
Ripliancum made the statement to Livius but didn't publicly apologize to Livius re: his accusation of ignorance. Likewise, my prediction here is that Teppe won't follow up and apologize to "I am Richard Brandon" for his accusations that he is "either incredibly gullible, ignorant, decieved or ... possibly all three at the same time!" -- personally attacking that poster by claiming he was essentially brainless.
I am incredulous that in the face of overwhelming quotes from Mormon leaders over these teachings that such unmitigated shrill tactics of denial coupled with personal attacks even exist, let alone become escalated!
The Questions at hand?
* Have Mormon "prophets" taught that Mormons get their own planets?
* Have these teachings in recent decades been confirmed in official Lds publications?
* And have Mormon "prophets" gone on record as saying that "Living Mormon 'prophets'" trump even written Mormon "scripture?" [On this one see Ezra Taft Benson's "14 Fundamentals of a Mormon prophet" speech]
The answers to all of these questions is "yes."
Ripliancum and Teppe, as Mormons, may want to throw past Mormon "prophets" under the bus because those Mormon "prophets" put Mormons in a bad light before the world...But they can't take a scrub brush and wipe away what's been taught and republished by this generation of Mormon church officials.
A review of what those leaders taught -- and what the Mormon church has republished in Teppe's adult lifetime:
Lds "prophet" #10
“To become like him we must have ALL the powers of godhood; thus a man and his wife when glorified will have spirit children who eventually will go on an EARTH LIKE THIS ONE WE ARE ON and pass through the same kind of experiences, being subject to mortal conditions, and if faithful, then they also will receive the fullness of exaltation and partake of the same blessings. There is no end to this development; it will go on forever. We will become gods and HAVE JURISDICTION OVER WORLDS, AND THESE WORLDS WILL BE PEOPLED BY OUR OWN OFFSPRING. WE WILL HAVE AN ENDLESS ETERNITY FOR THIS."
Source: Joseph Fielding Smith, 10th "prophet" of the Mormon church, Doctrines of Salvation, 2:48, as cited by The Mormon Church’s annual Melchizedek Priesthood Personal Study Guide, 1978-79, p. 131
Tell us, Teppe, if you are 50 years old, why was your Mormon church dredging up this quote when you were 21 if it was mere "anti-Mormon fantasy?"
The author of a FR thread -- Mormon Professors Confuse Doctrine and Rumor -- noted that Lds scholar was committing the same distortions as what we've seen Teppe and Ripliancum engage in on FReeper threads. (See that link to see where Lds scholar Richard Bushman showed once and for all that he has no "scholarly" credibility remaining)
Hence, Sharon Lindbloom in her "Mormon Coffee" blog from Nov. 14, 2011 took the time to provide additional Lds sources where Mormons have taught that they will have their own planets' teaching...In fact, she shows how Mormon leaders have injected this into their kids' teachings...[I guess Teppe and Ripliancum skipped all those lessons, eh]
From: Mormon Professors Confuse Doctrine and Rumor -- citing the 12th "prophet" of the Mormon church:
...while serving as Prophet and President of the LDS Church, Spencer W. Kimball taught, “Each one of you has it within the realm of his possibility to develop a kingdom over which you will preside as its king and god. You will need to develop yourself and grow in ability and power and worthiness, to GOVERN SUCH A WORLD WITH ALL OF ITS PEOPLE.”<.I> (“’…the Matter of Marriage’” [address delivered at University of Utah Institute of Religion, 22 Oct. 1976], 2). That was then–35 years ago. But this is now: President Kimball’s statement is quoted in three current LDS manuals. The manuals are produced by the Mormon Church for the purpose of teaching children (Chapter 4: Teaching Children: from Four to Eleven Years,” A Parent’s Guide), high schoolers (Doctrine and Covenants and Church History Seminary Teacher Resource Manual – Introduction), and college students (Doctrines of the Gospel Student Manual 430 and 431, 29 [Chapter 10]).
Lindbloom also cited the 5th "prophet" of the Mormon church as having taught this:
Shortly before his death in 1901, fifth LDS Prophet and President Lorenzo Snow watched kindergarten children forming clay into spheres. President Snow turned to his companion and observed, “…these children are now at play, making mud worlds, the time will come when some of these boys, through their faithfulness to the gospel, will progress and develop in knowledge, intelligence and power, in future eternities, until they shall be able to go out into space where there is unorganized matter and call together the necessary elements, and through their knowledge of and control over the laws and powers of nature, to organize matter into worlds on which their posterity may dwell, and over which they shall rule as gods.’”(Improvement Era, June 1919, 658–59)
There it is on record. Teppe and Ripliancum have apparently tossed their 5th, 10th, and 12th "prophets" under the bus...Why? Teppe, was it only so that you could rev it up and unfairly engage in personal, hateful attacks upon other FREEPERS?
Shame on you Lds FREEPERS for not holding these Mormon posters accountable!
Their lack of adherence to historical truth brings into question their own intellectual integrity. Their scoldings of non-Mormon posters is quite shame-filled. And this behavior not being challenged by fellow Mormons shows they sanction it to some degree.
Better the devil you know...
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Source: A Marist College poll of 1,026 U.S. adults conducted Nov. 8-10
I don’t like Mitt but does Mormonism have anything to do with the way he thinks and makes decisions?
Ya THINK?!!
Thanks; Oprah!
But the one we've got NOW can't even come up with a BUDGET!
Maybe YOU have switched; but MILLIONS more LIBERALs have been created since then; voting for whoever GIVES them more of YOUR money.
Are we past the tipping point now?
Which part of the pie are WE?
Short sided? No, I don’t think so. Romney is the second to the last person that I would want to see President. The worst is the guy who’s in there now. The idea of not voting is the head in the sand approach to politics. The second most stupid idea is to vote for someone like Ron Paul as a third-party candidate. Both of these ideas will guarantee another 4 years for FUBO. Conservatives have made a great start with the House, but they have to take control away from the Troika of Idiots ( Boner, Can’ter, and McSleazy). The problem is that they didn’t, and now the House is going to be lambasted by the press for being “do nothing” ( which is far from the truth). The conservatives needed to not be back benchers and stand for something, but some of them have already capitulated ( in the name of “unity” or some such crap). I guess that this is what you mean by “willing to let the GOP go down he drain,” because the conservative voter certainly tried to do his job to elect them in 2010. You have to give the RATs credit. Politics to them is blood sport. They will do anything, and I do mean anything, to have their way. Sadly, conservatives don’t want to get down and dirty and that’s what they will have to do to succeed. I am tired of continuing to take “half a loaf” but “no bread at all” is not a viable alternative for me.
MORMONs will RULE someWHERE!
1–6, Exaltation is gained through the new and everlasting covenant; 7–14, The terms and conditions of that covenant are set forth; 15–20, Celestial marriage and a continuation of the family unit enable men to become gods; 21–25, The strait and narrow way leads to eternal lives; 26–27, The law is given relative to blasphemy against the Holy Ghost; 28–39, Promises of eternal increase and exaltation are made to prophets and Saints in all ages; 40–47, Joseph Smith is given the power to bind and seal on earth and in heaven; 48–50, The Lord seals upon him his exaltation; 51–57, Emma Smith is counseled to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.
16Therefore, when they are out of the world they neither marry nor are given in amarriage; but are appointed angels in bheaven, which angels are ministering cservants, to minister for those who are worthy of a far more, and an exceeding, and an eternal weight of glory.
17For these angels did not abide my law; therefore, they cannot be enlarged, but remain separately and singly, without exaltation, in their saved condition, to all eternity; and from henceforth are not gods, but are aangels of God forever and ever.
18And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife, and make a covenant with her for time and for all eternity, if that acovenant is not by me or by my word, which is my law, and is not sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, through him whom I have anointed and appointed unto this power, then it is not valid neither of force when they are out of the world, because they are not joined by me, saith the Lord, neither by my word; when they are out of the world it cannot be received there, because the angels and the gods are appointed there, by whom they cannot pass; they cannot, therefore, inherit my glory; for my house is a house of order, saith the Lord God.
19And again, verily I say unto you, if a man amarry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and beverlasting covenant, and it is csealed unto them by the Holy Spirit of dpromise, by him who is anointed, unto whom I have appointed this power and the ekeys of this priesthood; and it shall be said unto them—Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; and if it be after the first resurrection, in the next resurrection; and shall inherit fthrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, all heights and depths—then shall it be written in the Lamb’s gBook of Life, that he shall commit no hmurder whereby to shed innocent iblood, and if ye abide in my covenant, and commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, it shall be done unto them in all things whatsoever my servant hath put upon them, in time, and through all eternity; and shall be of full force when they are out of the world; and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their jexaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the kseeds forever and ever.
20 Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from aeverlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be bgods, because they have call power, and the angels are subject unto them.
21Verily, verily, I say unto you, except ye abide my alaw ye cannot attain to this glory.
22For astrait is the gate, and narrow the bway that leadeth unto the exaltation and continuation of the clives, and few there be that find it, because ye receive me not in the world neither do ye know me.
23But if ye receive me in the world, then shall ye know me, and shall receive your exaltation; that awhere I am ye shall be also.
24This is aeternal lives—to bknow the only wise and true God, and Jesus Christ, whom he hath csent. I am he. Receive ye, therefore, my law.
25aBroad is the gate, and wide the way that leadeth to the bdeaths; and many there are that go in thereat, because they creceive me not, neither do they abide in my law.
What about the REST of your 'scriptures'?
Surely you can't THROW AWAY all of the TEACHINGS made by MORMON leaders of the past, can you?
He ain't a DIEHARD Mormon; either.
Why can't you MORMONs find a CONSERVATIVE mormon?
You keep telling the WORLD how CONSERVATIVE MormonISM is; but your ELECTED ones don't show this at ALL!
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