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1 posted on 11/19/2011 8:49:30 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem
How do you duplicate these results when you’re now the only game in town, with the Tevatron shut down and all? The only scientific way to duplicate results is to have another particle collider repeat your experiments and get the same results.
2 posted on 11/19/2011 9:10:08 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: neverdem
These tests were carried out over 10 days and provided 20 events.

These are not sufficient data points (20 events) to get all lathered up over.

3 posted on 11/19/2011 9:47:38 PM PST by Blado (2008: Year Zero of the Zombie Apocalypse.)
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To: neverdem

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.


7 posted on 11/20/2011 12:44:22 AM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: neverdem

We don’t allow faster-than-light neutrinos in here,” says the bartender. A neutrino walks into a bar.


9 posted on 11/20/2011 12:51:10 AM PST by Da Mav
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To: neverdem
Well all's possible in an expanding universe but if the neutrinos exceed the speed of light, what about time?

I wouldn't mind a little more time.
10 posted on 11/20/2011 12:56:03 AM PST by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress!)
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To: neverdem
Meanwhile, within OPERA, "People are exhausted," says the source. "Everyone should be convinced that the result is real, and they are not."
Awwwww. Someone call a Whambulance for these poor babies. Everyone isn't convinced.

Maybe boneheads its because 'Al' (I call him Al, we're old buds) hasn't been proved wrong in any of his theories (now Laws) for about 100 years now, dipwads.

'C' = 186,282 mps.
It's not just an idea.
It's the Law.

Plus, maybe your neutrinos are tainted and aren't all the same 'flavor'. (makes a diff I hear)

12 posted on 11/20/2011 2:45:45 AM PST by Condor51 (Yo Hoffa, so you want to 'take out conservatives'. Well okay Jr - I'm your Huckleberry)
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To: neverdem

The shop steward says he doesn’t care who those neutrinos are, if they’re going faster than light they should get time and a half pay and what local are they with?
And travel pay too if they go out of town.


13 posted on 11/20/2011 3:04:42 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: neverdem

Another example of the fallibility of man’s faith in science...the assumption that we KNOW things through physical evidence has been shown time and again to be flawed.

The only truth is found in God and his creation...science is a valid pursuit of man’s attempt to define God’s creation but because man is flawed oftentimes our conclusions and presumptions are flawed.


14 posted on 11/20/2011 5:03:24 AM PST by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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Has anyone considered that maybe photons haven’t really been pushing themselves to the limit? And why should they? Do you always run around at top speed? Especially if everyone’s slapping you on the back, saying you’re the champion of the Universe without ever having to break a sweat. So maybe they got a little cocky, a little complacent.

But once word gets around that neutrinos have bested them....

(Honesty compels me to admit that i’m not really a scientific expert despite the impression i may have given. Nor am i quite sure that photons have the subatomic equivalent of backs to slap or egos to bruise, but then again neither do i recall Einstein saying anything to the contrary).


15 posted on 11/20/2011 5:21:55 AM PST by Humbug (the media rule the world and they know it....)
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To: neverdem

It is only right and fitting that as science and humanity can see more, measure more they open new vistas of argument and thought.
I think that one example of something that propogates faster than light is already out in the open, but never discussed and that is the speed of gravity.
Several physicists over the years have put forth their work and calculations on the actual “speed of gravity” where the results are fairly significant. One calculate the speed of gravity as (light speed) C times 10 raised to the 20 power!
A speed that is almost unimaginably fast.
Here is a link to one fairly straight forward and clearly laid out post on it, and there are others:
http://metaresearch.org/cosmology/speed_of_gravity.asp


16 posted on 11/20/2011 5:40:07 AM PST by Tom_Ohio
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