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Debt crisis: while Rome burns, the eurozone fiddles
The Telegraph ^ | 11/9/2011 | Robert Winnett

Posted on 11/09/2011 4:16:54 PM PST by bruinbirdman

Italy on Wednesday became the first major economy to require an international bail-out as its debts hit “totally unsustainable levels”.

The country's escalating crisis prompted questions about whether European leaders had sufficient will or financial firepower to rescue it.

The interest rate at which the Italian government borrows on the international bond markets hit seven per cent – the point at which the smaller eurozone economies of Ireland, Portugal and Greece had to be rescued.

Italy, the world’s eighth largest economy, has more than £1.5 trillion worth of debt, which has prompted speculation from some world leaders that it is too big to rescue.

Silvio Berlusconi’s pledge to resign as prime minister failed to stem the financial turmoil, and mixed messages on how the eurozone would respond to the crisis added to uncertainty in the markets.

Angela Merkel, the German chancellor, called for deeper European integration and a new “breakthrough” treaty that would give the EU greater fiscal powers to stop member states from slipping into dangerous levels of debt.

However, there were also reports that German and French officials were privately looking at ways to make it possible for European nations to leave the eurozone, causing US shares to slump by three per cent last night.

The turmoil dramatically increased the risk of a “double dip” recession in Britain, with most economists predicting that the economy will grind to a halt before the end of the year.

Senior Government sources believed that a full-scale Italian financial collapse could knock “several percentage points” off the size of the British economy. British banks have more than £42 billion of outstanding loans to Italy, including almost £10 billion to the government.

David Cameron described the state of the Italian economy as “tragic” and urged European leaders to intervene quickly in the situation

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Germany; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: default; ethnic; europeanunion; france; germany; greece; italy; socialism; unitedkingdom
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1 posted on 11/09/2011 4:16:55 PM PST by bruinbirdman
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To: bruinbirdman

And so does America.


2 posted on 11/09/2011 4:23:44 PM PST by mulligan
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To: bruinbirdman
DELONG: It Is 1931. We Are Austria. If The Fed Doesn't Save Us Here Comes Another Great Depression...
3 posted on 11/09/2011 4:29:46 PM PST by blam
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To: bruinbirdman
Euro is toast.

Only Germany could possibly bail out Italy.

However, that's the limit of their resources. Even that would cause political revolution in Germany and eventually cause a wholesale change of government.

France has their OWN debt problems emerging and can only save themselves, if that.

4 posted on 11/09/2011 4:46:25 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: blam
Hi Blam

Seems we're still tracking toward deflation and widespread sovereign default eh?

The Fed will NOT buy Euro bonds on a widespread basis. It would be PERSONAL suicide for them...and every member of Congress that failed to vote for a dissolution of the Fed as a result.

This train is going to crash. Slow motion crash.

5 posted on 11/09/2011 4:51:25 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

Man, betting on deflation was the best bet ever!

Glad I got out of debt!


6 posted on 11/09/2011 5:02:21 PM PST by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: All

Why can’t a government declare bankruptcy? I assume it’s because of the dominos that would start falling. But what happens when the money runs out, to all the people depending on government checks?


7 posted on 11/09/2011 5:07:43 PM PST by Terry Mross (Where is the OPPOSITION party? I'll only vote for a SECOND party.)
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To: Mariner
"Seems we're still tracking toward deflation and widespread sovereign default eh? "

Yup. Slow motion. (No way back from here)

Gold, $1,200.00 by the end of the year, eh?

8 posted on 11/09/2011 5:10:37 PM PST by blam
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To: Terry Mross
"But what happens when the money runs out, to all the people depending on government checks? "

They come to live with you and the people who stole their money.
(Try to look like you don't have anything.)

9 posted on 11/09/2011 5:14:50 PM PST by blam
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To: blam

Italy just looking for a “ Hair Cut:” like Greece. Want the people to forgive 50% of their debt.


10 posted on 11/09/2011 5:15:51 PM PST by BooBoo1000 ("Think for yourself")
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To: blam

That will be easy.


11 posted on 11/09/2011 5:16:44 PM PST by Terry Mross (Where is the OPPOSITION party? I'll only vote for a SECOND party.)
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To: bruinbirdman

Part of the deal with Greece was that Italy won’t be bailed out with free money, not that it would be possible. Maybe northern Europeans should consider building some fences.

Aside from the distractions, our own US debt situation is probably terminal, too. There will be repudiations.


12 posted on 11/09/2011 5:31:40 PM PST by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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"US debt situation is probably terminal, too"

Nothing a decade of double digit inflation won't solve.

yitbos

13 posted on 11/09/2011 5:46:36 PM PST by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." -- Ayn Rand)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks bruinbirdman.
Italy on Wednesday became the first major economy to require an international bail-out as its debts hit "totally unsustainable levels",

14 posted on 11/09/2011 5:59:08 PM PST by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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15 posted on 11/09/2011 5:59:55 PM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: bruinbirdman

Yes, or repudiation and rebuilding.

Little off-topic but maybe of interest.

German Air Force In Training for Iran Strike
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2805083/posts


16 posted on 11/09/2011 6:01:13 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in a noisy avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the earth.)
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To: familyop

Not a chance. It would be nice, but there’s no way.

The next big thing for NATO will be in Syria — or will be calisthenics, or a big card game tourney in their barracks.


17 posted on 11/09/2011 6:07:46 PM PST by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: bruinbirdman; Farmer Dean
By The Way: Hong Kong Is Getting Crushed Tonight


18 posted on 11/09/2011 6:15:01 PM PST by blam
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To: SunkenCiv

Thanks. Your guess may be better than mine. If that’s true, we’re footing nearly the whole bill. Hopefully, we’ll cut back on funds to Europe and other imbalances, if that’s the case.


19 posted on 11/09/2011 6:40:09 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in a noisy avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the earth.)
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To: familyop

Don’t expect logic and reason to rule the day.I think the plan is to burn out this country’s finances ASAP.All part of Obama and friends vision of a new world.


20 posted on 11/09/2011 6:49:07 PM PST by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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