[casinva]

When it comes time to pay your tax bill, whose tax plan will cost you less, Herman Cain’s or Rick Perry’s?

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[doc]

I’m tired of hearing the Cain opposition stating that they are worried that the 9% can always be raised. Any tax plan can be raised both current and future. Just place measures that would insure that the rates would not go up.

[jessduntno]

When it comes time to pay your tax bill, whose tax plan will cost you less, Herman Cain’s or Rick Perry’s?

Perry’s plan and Cain’s plan “are really quite different in that Cain’s plan had big winners and big losers,” Gleckman said.

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[Marie]

When it comes time to pay your tax bill, whose tax plan will cost you less, Herman Cain’s or Rick Perry’s?

For me, this is the wrong question. I want to know under which system the economy would thrive the best.

The assumption that our salaries will remain stagnant messes up the whole argument. Under which plan will it be easiest for me or my husband to start our own business?

Also, I have two grown children (ages 18 and 20). Under which plan will they most likely be able to find jobs and thrive without my help? Under which plan will Social Security remain the most secure?

If those above and below me are more independent, then it is essentially a pay raise for me. If it's easier for my husband or me to open our dream businesses, we won't be using our current income as the base for the calculator.

I see more opportunities to thrive under Cain's plan.

I don't plan on staying middle class. If the bulk of us are making more money, the tax increase won't matter.

[Cincinatus' Wife]

The Tax Policy Center estimated that about 84% of taxpayers would face a tax increase under Cain’s plan

That will get 'em to the polls. /s

[Prokopton]

When it comes time to pay your tax bill, whose tax plan will cost you less, Herman Cain’s or Rick Perry’s?

The least cost to me is to stay with the current tax laws. Perry's plan, of course, would allow me to do this. Am I for Perry's plan then? NO! There are several problems with our current tax system.

1. It is too complicated and costs hundreds of billions of dollars just to comply. Cain's plan would be much less complicated than what we have now. Perry's plan, because it retains our entire tax system while adding another tax option, is actually more complicated than what we have now.

2. Too many people pay no federal income tax and thus have no "skin in the game". Cains plan would require almost everyone to contribute at least something. Perry's plan would have at least as many people as now paying no federal income tax.

3. There is an almost one trillion dollar underground economy of tax cheats, drug dealers and other assorted criminals. Cains national sales tax would tap into this underground economy and get at least some revenue from the cheater's and criminal's income. Perry's plan would keep the underground economy untouched with the cheats and criminals contributing none of their ill gotten gain to the welfare of the Country.

We are either going to improve the tax system by eliminating some of these problems like Cain's plan, or we are merely going to change the tax system without tackling the real problems, like Perry's plan.

[USS Alaska]

As a retired person with a separate income I'm still paying income taxes at age 70.

I've been paying income tax since 1956 and so which ever of these plans changes my personal rate up or down by a few thousand bucks, doesn't really move me toward one or the other.

I'm thrilled {up my leg} that the pubbies are beginning to seriously discuss tax policy reform.

The country is in dire need of a tax reform policy that will stimulate the economy.

I want my 401K and other investments to survive and prosper so that I can pay income tax.

Either the 9-9-9 plan or the 20-20 plan would stimulate capital investment and would create hundreds of thousands if not millions of new jobs.

When the discussion is about which plan is better, rather than staying where we are, the country is the winner.

[SampleMan]

The tax burden is always flat. You can try to push water up hill, but you can't. Taxes can put people out of business (destroying wealth), but they cannot equalize income.

When someone understands this, everything else follows. All progressive rates do is hide the tax burden from the eyes of the less affluent, but they still pay that tax in inflated prices.

[esarlls3]

I ran an estimate of my taxes under each plan and here are the results:

	Current	FairTax	Cain 999	Perry FlatTax
Net Rate (% gross income)	14.0%	7.5%	7.9%	15.3%
Marginal Rate (includes federal taxes on payroll, income, and sales)	30.7%	23.0%	17.3%	25.7%
Increased Disposable Income	reference	22.3%	10.9%	3.1%
Reduced Federal Taxes * Perry's alternative was higher than current taxes.	reference	46.6%	44.0%	-9.3%*
Employee Payroll Tax Rate	5.7%	none	none	5.7%
Employer Payroll Tax Rate	7.7%	none	9.0%	7.7%
Personal Income Tax Rate	15-35%	none	9.0%	20.0%
Retail Sales Tax Rate (exclusive / inclusive)	none	29.9% 23.0%	9.0% 8.3%	none
Business Income Tax Rate	15-35%	none	9.0%	20%
My estimated retail price reduction	reference	10%	8%	5%
Notes			Income tax exempts contributions, mortgage interest, and local taxes. Corporate tax does not deduct payroll.	Standard deduction ($12500/person) OR Itemized deduction (contributions, mortgage interest, and local taxes). The Cut, Balance, & Grow plan also includes other non-tax reforms.
Sources		FairTax.org	HermanCain.com	RickPerry.org

• For the current and Perry plans, I kept the current 5.7% employee and 7.7% business FICA/Medicare tax.
• This assumes spending remains constant at the current rate and the increased disposable income is saved or donated. Using increased income to enhance lifestyle would increase taxes.
• This estimate is for a Texas family of 5 currently in the 25% tax bracket with significant deductions for donations, mortgage interest, and real estate taxes.

[LimberJim]

Paul Ryan on the Perry Plan: ‘I Can Tell You This: It Would Grow The Economy’

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/281378/paul-ryan-perry-plan-i-can-tell-you-it-would-grow-economy-avik-roy

[irishjuggler]

I'm sick and tired of hearing about how much Cain's 9-percent sales tax is going to "hurt" low-income and middle-income people. You don't want to pay a lot in sales tax? Well, there's a very easy way to reduce your tax bill: STOP BUYING A LOT OF CRAP THAT YOU DON'T NEED.

Sorry for raising my voice, but a very large portion of consumer spending is highly discretionary. Beyond food and some other basic staples (soap, toothpaste, toilet paper, etc.), people buy a lot of stuff that they WANT, not that they really need. As such, paying sales tax, in many situations, is essentially voluntary. If you don't want to pay a 9% sales tax on that new iPad or 42" LCD television or $35,000 SUV, then maybe you should re-think how badly you really need those things.

Income taxes tax productivity. The harder you work and the more you earn, the greater your tax burden. Sales taxes tax consumption. Frankly, this country would be richer if we encouraged people to earn and save, rather than spend 110% of their income on a bunch of junk from China and Mexico.