Fold up the tent and turn off the lights and put it right next to Perrywinkles gear.
This was exactly the Douglass position on slavery in the Lincoln-Douglass debates.
What Cain actually said.
"I believe that life begins at conception. And abortion under no circumstances," Cain said. Morgan asked Cain if that meant he felt the procedure was impermissible in cases of rape and incest, which many anti-abortion activists and conservatives carve out exceptions for.
Cain reiterated that there were "no circumstances" under which he supported abortion.
"If one of your female children, grandchildren was raped, you would honestly want her to bring up that baby as her own?" Morgan asked. Cain said that Morgan was "mixing" questions, but then replied:
"No, it comes down to it's not the government's role or anybody else's role to make that decision. Secondly, if you look at the statistical incidents, you're not talking about that big a number. So what I'm saying is it ultimately gets down to a choice that that family or that mother has to make. Not me as president, not some politician, not a bureaucrat. It gets down to that family. And whatever they decide, they decide. I shouldn't have to tell them what decision to make for such a sensitive issue."
I don't know how he could make it any clearer then this.
Well, you’re never going to get criminalization of abortion in this universe.
That position, and any extension to incest or rape, is absolute political suicide. A third of the country are independents and either position will lose you every female independent from now till the end of time.
And the smear goes on, pathetic. You would think that people would actually learn facts before spouting off their fat yapper, but nooooooooo. Then again, I guess that is the very definition of a smear.
The Facts:
Herman Cain is personally and politically, 100% Pro-life
He is committed to:
1) Supporting and signing Pro-Life legislation
2) Appointing Pro-Life Supreme Court Justices
3) Defunding Planned Parenthood
4) He is for a Constitutional Amendment banning abortion (as well as gay marriage)
5) He has a HISTORY of active, not just verbal, support of pro-life issues
SOURCES BELOW
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10/22/11 - Herman Cain Exclusive: Tells Brody File He Will Support Constitutional Amendments on Life and Marriage
http://blogs.cbn.com/thebrodyfile/archive/2011/10/22/herman-cain-exclusive-tells-brody-file-he-will-support-constitutional.aspx
10/21/11 - National Right To Life: Cain is Fully Pro Life
http://www.lifenews.com/2011/10/21/national-right-to-life-herman-cain-is-fully-pro-life/
6/24/11 - National Right to Life Conference Speech
http://hermancainissues.com/speeches/right-to-life-conference-speech-62411/
Herman Cain on Abortion
http://www.ontheissues.org/2012/Herman_Cain_Abortion.htm
2006 - African American Businessman Spends 1M to Urge Blacks to Vote Pro-Life
http://www.lifenews.com/2006/09/13/nat-2583/
5/11 - Herman Cain Reaffirms Commitment to Pro-Life Principles
http://secure.campaigner.com/Campaigner/Public/t.show?LVMF—8Oz3-WCSgU7
10/17/11 - Cain Picks Clarence Thomas as Model for Supreme Court Pick
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/232604/20111017/herman-cain-clarence-thomas-supreme-court.htm
2004 - Herman Cain blasts Roe v. Wade (Free Republic - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-gop/1063707/posts
5/17/11 - Alveda King - Yes. In our many conversations Mr. Cain has remained solid for life, marriage and family.
http://www.priestsforlife.org/africanamerican/blog/index.php/is-herman-cain-pro-life
1/18/11 - Herman Cain: Defund Racist Planned Parenthood Abortion Biz
http://www.lifenews.com/2011/01/18/herman-cain-defund-racist-planned-parenthood-abortion-biz/
2004 - Herman Cain was endorsed by the Georgia Right-To-Life PAC in the 2004 US Senate GOP primary.
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Life, liberty & pursuit of happiness starts with unborn life
The Founding Fathers got it right. The Founding Fathers got it right because of those fundamental principles: life,
liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. They also got it in the right order. That wasn’t an accident. Their vision meant that you could pursue happiness in America as long as you don’t infringe upon the liberties of somebody else. And
you can pursue all the liberties that you want as long as you don’t infringe upon the life of anybody else. And that
starts with the life of the unborn.
Source: , May 1, 2011
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Defund Planned Parenthood; intent was to kill black babies
I absolutely would defund Planned Parenthood—not because I don’t believe in planning parenthood, [but because]
Planned Parenthood as an organization is an absolute farce on the American people.
People who know the history of Margaret Sanger, who started Planned Parenthood, they know that the intention was not to help young women who get pregnant to plan their parenthood. No—it was a sham to be able to kill black babies.
Source: Interview on the Bryan Fischer radio show , Jan 18, 2011
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I believe that life begins at conception, period. And that means that I will have to see enough evidence that someone
would appoint shares that same view. I believe that the current Supreme Court is leaning too much to the liberal side. ...there is no way I would compromise my religious beliefs about the sanctity of life. And so it starts with, will they have demonstrated, in some of their other rulings, if they come from the federal judge bench, whether or not they also share that.
Because I believe that the principles that our Founding Fathers cherished, when they founded this country, and wrote the Declaration of Independence which inspired the Constitution, they were based upon biblical principles. I want to get back to those principles as president, if I run and get elected—not rewrite those documents.
ontheissues.org
Cain's words are right there for you to read.
1) Herman Cain has stated that he will nominate judges who will overturn Roe v. Wade.....really the only thing that he can do as a President while also using the bully pulpit to advocate for CHOOSE LIFE, which he will do.
2) Democrats LOVE when we argue over social aspects. It is the ONLY plank that they can get us to effectively argue over in this election cycle. Congratulations!! You have put a smile on a Democrat’s face today.
But the more I watched the pro-abort liberals play the Cain clip and attack him for not shooting himself in the foot by stating either of the two choices he was given to respond:
1) Abortion should be legal, or
2) He thinks the government should have the power to direct a pregnant woman's life.
the more I appreciate Cain's response not agreeing with either of the two.
This is a favorite ‘attack’ setup question used to try to alienate and split Republican voters, because it is designed to be no-win. When a host/interviewer is (obviously) on the other side of the interviewed guest it is no longer an interview, it is a hostile debate. By following the rules of a ‘interview’ Republicans usually get setup and slaughtered. To win against a lib host you need to re-frame the question and then throw it back at him, not try to answer directly.
I saw both Joe Scarbouro and Britt Hume phony lament about how this will hurt Cain with ‘pro-life’ voters. Both the liberals on MSNBC and the establishment Republicans both are together on this.
I am still thinking this through, but it seems that maybe it is possible to believe a thing is morally wrong and yet that it should not be made illegal. An example would be liquor. While someone could believe it is morally wrong and causes all sorts of mayhem in society, they may look at what happened during prohibition and think that maybe laws aren’t the right answer. I tend to think that this issue is just being used as a tool to undermine conservative candidates and get them fighting with one another.
Here is the quote: "Cain was asked whether abortion should be part of the political discussion. "No it should not quite frankly. But my position is real clear and has been consistent, I am pro-life," he said. The former Godfather's Pizza CEO has repeatedly called himself "pro-life" but said "it's not the government's role or anybody else's role to make that decision" in a recent CNN interview."
Cain’s sins on this issue are twofold:
1. Answering the question as asked (his biggest flaw as a politician, and his greatest strength as a candidate.
2. Not having a canned answer that avoid potential misinterpretation that his political opponents can latch onto desperately (the evidence being found amply on this thread).
I would have found the best answer from Cain (most consistent with his statements on other issues) to be:
“I believe abortion is murder, and murder is a crime that is established at the state level. The federal government has no business limiting restrictions on abortion, which is why Roe v. Wade was wrongly decided and should be overturned, by Constitutional amendment if necessary. Politically, I acknowledge that the people of some states might choose to keep abortion unrestricted, and that is sadly their mistake to make. But those who claim to be pro-choice are actually opponents of giving the voters of each state the choice to establish restrictions or prohibitions on abortion as is their right.”
I posted the Cain’s words for you to read. Ignoring the facts to cling to your emotion based opinions is foolish
Politicians who love life and the God of life and who see protecting life as the highest responsibility of government should crush weaselly "Rape/Abortion" questions by quoting Rob Roy:
"It is not the child who needs killing."