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Hold ATF accountable for gun debacle(gunwalker)
The Washington Times ^ | 19 October, 2011 | JAMES A. COVEL

Posted on 10/20/2011 4:39:43 AM PDT by marktwain

As a former police officer, I have been struggling with the account of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives‘ (ATF) bizarre “Fast and Furious” gun-running operation (” ‘Fast & Furious’: How botched operation spawned fatal results,” Page 1, Tuesday). This program was set up to identify and arrest the Mexican cartel leaders who were funding the supposed “steel pipeline” of guns coming from the United States into Mexico. But I can’t figure out just how that was supposed to be done, especially since the ATF agents in Mexico were not informed.

Neither, apparently, were the Mexican authorities. Just who was going to follow up on the weapons once they were in Mexico? What does appear to be obvious is that there is no real proof of this “steel pipeline” beyond the guns bought through this program. There also seemed to be little discussion among senior ATF leadership about the dubious morality of selling hundreds of weapons to cartels that had already killed thousands of people. That discussion only started when these weapons were used to kill a U.S. Border Patrol agent inside the United States. And that discussion was not about the morality of the program; it was apparently about covering everyone’s collective posteriors as quickly as possible.

One might be drawn to the conclusion that the real objective of this program had nothing whatsoever to do with gun-running to the cartels, but was instead intended to establish that American gun dealers (most of whom objected to supporting this program) were irresponsible in selling guns to notorious criminal elements. That is the only excuse for actually letting the guns cross the border into Mexico to kill people. This program was not about taking down the cartels; it seems like it was more about building the justification

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: atf; banglist; castaway; cia; clinton; dea; dhs; doj; fastandfurious; fbi; gunrunner; gunwalker; hillary; hillaryclinton; holder; ice; obama; statedept
Not just the ATF. The crimes seem to go much higher than that!
1 posted on 10/20/2011 4:39:48 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: MestaMachine

Gunwalker ping.


2 posted on 10/20/2011 4:40:32 AM PDT by marktwain (In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: marktwain

I believe that no one will see a day in jail for this. I hope I am wrong.


3 posted on 10/20/2011 4:57:17 AM PDT by ColdSteelTalon (Light is fading to shadow, and casting its shroud over all we have known...)
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To: ColdSteelTalon
The political class protects their own, Gun walker is just the latest. Economy crashes, Frank is out walking around with all the rest of the criminals.
Republicans are more vicious attacking each other
4 posted on 10/20/2011 5:12:02 AM PDT by reefdiver ("Let His day's be few And another takes His office")
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To: marktwain

Forget ATF’s “involvement”.
This was policy—designed to justify an attack on the 2nd ammendment.
This came from Barry Sotero Hissself.
Nobody else.


5 posted on 10/20/2011 5:18:25 AM PDT by Flintlock (Photo ID for all voters--let our dead rest in peace.)
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To: marktwain; Joe Brower; MestaMachine
"We're still pursuing gun control, but we have to do it under the radar."


6 posted on 10/20/2011 5:42:58 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Flintlock

Exactly.


7 posted on 10/20/2011 5:44:03 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Joe Brower; Travis McGee; LucyT; vette6387; MetaThought; 60Gunner; XHogPilot; FreedomPoster; ...

Walk-a-bye, baby.


8 posted on 10/20/2011 5:46:27 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: marktwain

Not just the ATF. The crimes seem to go much higher than that!

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last week i read that the ATF wasn’t even the lead organization on this - DEA was.

...and certainly this had the support and approval from the top.


9 posted on 10/20/2011 6:35:34 AM PDT by Elendur (It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Elendur
Are you sure it wasn't the DOJ that was in charge?

Grassley & Issa name Holder's "Dirty Dozen" of Gunwalker conspirators at the DOJ.

10 posted on 10/20/2011 10:31:46 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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Gunwalker and Fast & Furious Updates: Holder, DOJ, FBI, Operation Castaway, ATF

Email Confirms ‘Gunwalker’ Known Throughout Justice Department The October 27, 2009 email from ATF Phoenix Field Division Special Agent in Charge (SAC) William Newell regarded a Southwest Border Strategy Group meeting that focused on Fast and Furious. It contained a laundry list of high ranking Justice Department officials that attended the meeting, including:

* Assistant Attorney General (Criminal Division) Lanny Breuer, * Kenneth Melson, Acting Director, ATF * William Hoover, Acting Deputy Director, ATF * Michele Leonhart, Administrator, DEA * Robert Mueller, Director FBI

Four other Justice Department directors or their representatives came from the Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Force (OCDETF), Bureau of Prisons (BOP), U.S. Marshals Service (USMS), and the Executive Office for United States Attorneys (EOUSA). The chair of the Attorney Generals Advisory Committee (AGAC) also attended the session. Their names were redacted in the released document. U.S. attorneys for all four southwest border states also attended...


11 posted on 10/20/2011 10:40:58 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: TigersEye

The quartermaster Corps for Murder, Inc.


12 posted on 10/20/2011 7:38:33 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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