Posted on 09/28/2011 5:26:09 AM PDT by New Jersey Realist
The phrase "flavor of the week" has been used all summer by the media. Sarah definitely did not coin the phrase.
But I am still a constitutional conservative of originalist bent. And I think there are some quality people running for the GOP nomination. There are a couple I particularly favor right now, but it's still early in the game and things can change.
But it may turn out that the successful nominee is someone I'd have to "hold my nose" to vote for, just like last time, when I had to "hold my nose" to vote for John McCain. There are a few in the current field that, if successful, I'd have to do just that.
But to me, as much as it matters to have the "right" candidate, even if the worst of this lot won the nomination, I'd vote for him — I'd have to, in order to get rid of Obama.
A third-party candidate would screw up all my plans. :^) A third party candidate would divide the electorate and return this odious, lying thug to power for another four years.
Do Republicans ever learn anything from their sorry elections history? Or are they going to shoot themselves in the foot (head?) one more time?
There is no "perfect" candidate in the GOP nomination field; but there are some very good ones. Any one of them — even the worst (to me, Huntsman) would be a better president that what we've got now.
"Keep you eye on the donut, not on the hole."
I have given up doing that and will do it no longer. Last time was "this far and no farther." I'm living up to it, and I will not vote for a Romney, Huntsman, or Christie campaign. I just won't do it.
No more one-sided compromising.
Obama is Romney is Huntsman is Christie
They'll not get my vote.
Since we’re talking a hypothetical, it isn’t really a matter of “good luck with that.”
What is not hypothetical is that I won’t vote for Obama or for a liberal republican. It won’t happen.
I define liberal as anyone who is suspect in terms of pro-life, pro-God, pro-gun, pro-natural marriage, pro-family, pro-America, pro-patriotism, anti-taxes, anti-gov’t health care, anti-big government.
Make me doubt you on 1 through 4 and you’re a liberal. Make me doubt you anywhere else on the list, and you’re also an idiot.
I would not suppose to answer how it all came into play, but I'll share a story with you that it reminds me of.
I was a Realtor for several years quite some time ago, and I was working with a couple going through foreclosure (even before the bubble), working with the mortgage company in holding foreclosure off so we could sell their house. Contrasting to many other mortgage companies now and even then, this mortgage company was a gem to work with, and I considered this couple really fortunate to have had them as their mortgage company. (They had been bending over backwards to do everything to help this couple both before that time and during that time.)
I don't remember the legal necessities of what was going on at that time, but I remember that I received a phone call from the mortgage company one day informing me that they had discovered some of the official documents the couple had given them (the mortgage company) were actually fake documents. (That exchange had not gone through me and was done before I entered the scene.)
I was horrified. I felt lied to myself plus, even though I had not caused it, I felt ashamed I had been representing this couple to the mortgage company as wonderful clients and upstanding folk to work with. I remember saying something to the mortgage company to the effect that I was sorry for whatever part I had in believing the couple to be upfront and honest and to have been ANY part of the couple's misrepresentations which were now going to cause all kinds of problems.
I'll never forget that mortgage company representative telling me, "Chris, those fake documents they gave us were well-done fake documents. Who would have known off the bat? When people lie, a lot of times they will be really good at it too, and even the best of us are not going to see those well-done lies sometimes."
Dubya: I wanted to mention I really enjoyed reading your post to me. I am supporting Perry, and from what I can tell, you are leaning towards Cain, but both of us would have liked Sarah Palin and think she got a bad rap from the misrepresentations and lies and played emotions done not as much by her but by those whose goal it was to use her, against herself and against other candidates.
However, even though we are on two separate walking paths, we are on the same track at least. The fact that we can speak of two different candidates yet speak reasonably to each other, sharing info, making each other think a little bit more, making each other, as conservative GOPers both a little bit better, is a reminder of what Free Republic has done and can still do. That's what I wanted you to know how much I enjoyed your post.
A good conversation between conservatives is healthy and helpful and will make our party stronger and stronger. Lies don't help, but I guess we real conservatives will need to deal with those who are sometimes "really good at their lies". It's a part of life, but hopefully even that will make us better people and a stronger party if we let it.
Blessings to you FRiend, and as you, the only One I believe will ever truly save me is Christ Jesus.
If enough people feel as you do, dear xzins, then in all probability, you (and we) can look forward to Obama Redux.
Another four years of this guy and we won't be able to recognize America anymore. He is transforming our system of liberty under the rule of law and equal justice into a Euro-style administrative state.
Just listen to the sound bites that have come out recently, from a ditzy Dem governor (Sally Perdue) and certain Obama staffers (e.g., Peter Orszag), that maybe we have "too much democracy" in America, and less would be "better." How about that for a "trial balloon?"
Plus he's specifically targeting the American middle class for destruction (and along with it our system of free market capitalism), notwithstanding all his noise about those nasty "rich people" who do not pay their "fair share." That rhetoric is simply a diversion, a disguise of his real intentions....
But then I guess if your principles are more important to you than voting to get rid of this ogre, then it is your right to do as you see fit.
Those who do not: Romney, Huntsman, Christie, and I’m still trying to figure out where Cain fits.
If Romney gets the nod, he will not get my vote. If the Republicans choose someone squishy on this issue, then we might as well allow Obama another 4 years to teach all Americans the lesson that if we cannot elect someone who is principled and who is not willing to compromise on the most important issue since Slavery, then we don't deserve any better than we have now.
Dear sister, over the course of my lifetime, I have discovered that voting for people who do not share my values has given me a nation that is seriously off track, and a government that is big, invasive, and not at all what I want. My doing the same will give me the same just as much as Obama winning will give me the same. So, damned if I do, and damned if I don't. A classic lose/lose situation.
In fact, how did my voting for a loser prevent Obama last time? So, I violated my principles and lost.
Obama is God's judgment on America for its waywardness, and pro-abortion, pro-gay, anti-gun, pro-tax, pro-big government Romney is simply Obama in a business suit.
They are the same.
I will vote for someone who is squishy on immigration or just about any other issue, but I will not under any circumstances vote for someone who is squishy on the life issue. Anyone who fails to recognize that the womb contains a human life and that that human life is deserving of the life it has been granted by God is not worthy to lead this country.
I will not have to answer to Mitt Romney or John Huntsman when I stand before God and am asked to give an accounting of my life.
I am the steward of my vote. I will not waste that vote on someone who is only pretending to be pro-life because he needs to do that in order to get my vote.
I draw the line there. Life is an unalienable right. It is the first one mentioned in our founding documents.
However, even though we are on two separate walking paths, we are on the same track at least. The fact that we can speak of two different candidates yet speak reasonably to each other, sharing info, making each other think a little bit more, making each other, as conservative GOPers both a little bit better, is a reminder of what Free Republic has done and can still do. That's what I wanted you to know how much I enjoyed your post.
A good conversation between conservatives is healthy and helpful and will make our party stronger and stronger. Lies don't help, but I guess we real conservatives will need to deal with those who are sometimes "really good at their lies". It's a part of life, but hopefully even that will make us better people and a stronger party if we let it.
Blessings to you FRiend, and as you, the only One I believe will ever truly save me is Christ Jesus.
Amen! Ditto right back.Your words were so wonderfully written and truthful to pin-point the exact problem of nowadays on this forum;I copied them again for I hope and pray all to read many times!
I do not think Perry is a RINO anymore than I think Bachmann is one.Perry was compared to the evil Bush on this forum and starwise asked me the other day in complete surprise,WHO ON FR BASHES BUSH?Starwise, my answer is the Palin bots did and called Perry Bush lite in a completely misleading derogatory manner.Perry needs to hone up his debate skills and I clearly see Romney is the one having the last laugh while no one wants Romney but the true RINO's.Palin herself endorsed Perry and said 'you betcha' to being Romney's VP.She has yet to clarify (even as a paid commentator) Her true stance on this.
I do not think Cain will pick Palin as a VP.He needs a stronger long running foreign policy VP.I do see the strong possibility of Romney picking Palin and am sick to my stomach over the further Palin ping list hypocrisy that will most likely continue.(NOTE: that when Perry first hopped in the race and the Palin bots were unsure of what Palin was doing he was Saint Rick Perry back when they thought it was all a set up for him to pick Palin)As soon as perry was seen as competition in any way to a paid political commentator Palin he was a RINO.I almost fell for it until a TX FReeper posted back to them one day and clearly showed Perry is not a RINO.
I support Cain,Bachmann,Perry and Palin if she quits playing ring around the rosey.I ditto your reply right back atcha.It needs said more often and loud and clear.
PM, I absolutely agree with you about life. Life is the deal killer. It is an unalienable right direct from God. Those who violate it are under God’s judgment. And that explains the current state of this nation.
On my list, “guns” is a derivative of life. Self-defense is all about protecting the life God has given, and the lives of those God has given into your care (wife, children, elderly).
All of the others are deal killers for me, but those two truly are God-given rights: Life, and the self-defense of that Life.
Well then, God willing, let's hope neither Romney nor Huntsman get the nomination. :^)
If we pro-lifers "kill ourselves" over this, then we don't live to fight another day. Then "the other side" — Satan's party — will inevitably carry the day.
An America that is "dead" is no longer around to assert and defend the universal inalienable, God-given human liberties of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness....
In the end, the state of your soul when you stand before God's judgment has to be your first priority. I understand that, P-Marlowe.
My problem is that I believe America, while not "perfect," is "good" — but is getting less so with every passing day. I believe that America is still worth saving, however. And I further believe that if God saves it, He does so through the actions of his children.
It's quite a difficult conundrum, I grant you.
If guess we could all just say that God is All so America really doesn't matter. But then, America is a polity premised on God's moral law — the only polity of this kind I can think of. On that basis alone, I think America is worth saving.
FWIW, I don't much care for my ex-governor, Mitt Romney, a/k/a Mr. Flipper. He's the kind of guy who can "make the trains run on time," but other than that, I think he's an unprincipled, empty suit — i.e., not a person of admirable character. I don't think he will win the nomination — though clearly the MSM (not to mention the GOP establishment) is promoting him. The former is clearly in collusion with the Obama mob; the latter are self-aggrandizing, unprincipled fools (in the classical and Judeo-Christian sense. I'd put Romney in that category.)
JMHO FWIW
3 damned years of being coy and drags it out till the last second
beats all I ever saw....and I don;t like it one bit if she doesn’t run..she is the only one worth a damn left that might can get the nomination
but some here will exclaim!!!!!!!! Bravo!!!!!!! Genius!!!!!!
Palin 2016!!!!!!!!!!
retch...vomit...puke...she sits this planet alignment set in motion for her (and she is not very ill or something like that..God forbid) and she will never ever get another penny from me...not even a mite
hope folks around here can get wrapped around a warm MITTen...man...best chance we ever had to get a serious righty elected and here we pi$$ it away
what the he!! happened?
See my last post the warm NASTY mitten is where I also see all of this mess going.Notice Palin has not dissed Romney? Google search the words Romney Palin ‘you betcha’ as his VP in 2012.Perry is pro-life and Palin helped knock him out and I will be mighty ticked off if her and Romney team up and that is what she is waiting for.I WON’T be saying ‘well he needs a conservative ‘Sarah is great.’She really needs to answer to Perry and Romney or she is a bigger hypocrite and worst political commentator than the worst politician.
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