Posted on 09/28/2011 5:26:09 AM PDT by New Jersey Realist
“...when we vote for Romney.”
Not gonna happen. No way, no how.
That puke does not get my vote under any circumstance ever, period.
I think Sarah coined that phrase herself. Can't blame the media on that one.
She was just running them down today, isn't done yet.
Only Michele and Santorum have the lifestyle cred IMHO to be "values" conservatives. Cain I was very enthusiastic about, until I read his idea for a 9% NRST/VAT tax -- which wouldn't repeal the income tax, so we'd be stuck with both like Europe, and the appropriators like Schmucky Chucky and Mad Dog Wasserman-Schultz would be off to the races. I think Cain showed some honest-businessman's naivete' there. Can you see Bawney Fwank getting his meathooks on a 9% NRST? I'm very sincerely hoping that my previous reads of Sarah will turn out good, that she'll run.
The one real thing that has given me pause is the frequent comments I've heard about women of a certain age, even conservative ones, expressing absolute disgust with Palin -- there is a visceral rejection and dislike there that is hard to fathom. I've seen a very witty explication of it (based on female competitiveness) by a person who claimed to know about such arcana, and all I can say is, I hope to God Republican women don't get in that habit of eating their own. That would be hugely destructive, given how strongly women have supported and helped the GOP in the past.
I agree with you that we have a very strong field this time around. I also think we have many more conservative candidates than ever before, and that is extremely exciting!
Dubya: I have some info and connections, and they are interesting connections too, but no, I do not have specific enough information for any floodgate to open wide.
GlockThe Vote: I have said this before, and will say it here again, that I am a supporter of Rick Perry. After this administration and seeing our liberties taken away like there is no tomorrow, I want a strong 10th Amendment leader who is anti-large-federal government and pro-local government, and I don’t think any of our candidates is as strong in their commitment to our founding father’s vision on that then Rick Perry. (That’s just MY desire and my thoughts, and I welcome others to see something different in other candidates they want more than that.)
At the same time, I have liked Sarah Palin in the past and respect her place in history as well. I don’t think Sarah is going to run, although if she does, I wish her Godspeed in a very tough race. However, I think it has not been all of her own doing that many are beginning to see her as they do now... angry, frustrated, irritated, having felt “teased”, whatever negatives they feel right now. Not all feel negatively, but many do who would not have felt like they do now had it not been for the distasteful posts and disgusting arrogance some have presented. I think many would agree with me in describing some of what we have seen as “unnatural” behavior even.
Unfortunately we have transferred what we feel about those kooky posts onto Sarah Palin herself, and that has been very unfortunate for her. She had nothing to do with those things. Someone else has been doing those things for her.
I’m making a commitment that, from here on out, I’m going to try to marginalize, at least in my own thoughts and emotions, the extremely odd behavior and words of those who may be exhibiting hyperbole or exhibiting rudeness in the name of Sarah Palin, understanding that such people may not be Sarah Palin supporters at all.
Who they may be and who all they are associated with is well beyond the knowledge of you or I probably, but I think it helps if we all make a concerted effort to keep remembering that a lot of what we all are feeling right now is not Sarah Palin’s fault.
I have felt it too, so I’m certainly not pointing fingers! I just wanted to share what I’ve been doing to help preserve those nice memories and thoughts I have for a mighty special woman in our country’s history. It’s a memory worth cherishing.
Absolutely dead on the money, MPI, about the sense of her discussion with van Susteran. I heard someone yesterday on Fox (Gretchen Carlsen?) disagreeing with Palin about the difference between the influence an independent can have versus that of a title-holder. Yet, there sits Carlsen pontificating to America every morning and having a huge impact, with the remainder of the media, on the very issues that get discussed...maybe even the thoughts that are considered relevant.
Palin should evaluate the impact of the media on everything. To undervalue their influence is silly. Palin is smart enough to recognize that, and, in fact, she is a student of communication and a former newswoman herself. She is no dummy by any means. Perhaps she has a new idea that goes beyond bus tours, tweats, etc. I wonder what would happen if she formed a coalition with Glen Beck in his new internet TV network. That could be the future.
That said, I do think that a 3rd party run is a possibility for her. She would have to connect with an already established 3rd party that is on the ballots in every state. I don't think she has the time to establish another independent party prior to November 2012 and do the legal legwork that would get it on all ballots in all states. Two independent parties would qualify for Palin, I believe. One would be the Constitution Party and the other would be the Libertarian Party. The largest independent party is the CP followed closely by the LP. Palin, in my opinion, would fit best with the CP. (see consitution party link
First, we need to understand that husband Todd Palin was a member of the Alaska Indendent Party (AIP) for some time. He changed when Palin got into politics, iirc. Interestingly, in the 2008 election, the AIP endorsed the CP candidate. IOW, there is already a family tie to the CP, a third party.
Second, a third party possibility for Palin leaves open her decision to enter until she sees who the Republican nominee is. If she believes the selection is bad for America, she has options.
Third, if the Republican nominee is a liberal, and if the Democratic Party candidate is Obama (which it will be), then she would be the conservative running against two liberal crony socialist opponents. That would leave the conservative vote to her.
America has a 60-40 liberal/moderate versus conservative split. If the two liberals split the lib/mod vote, then a conservative candidate would have a chance to come out on top.
Those are the reasons I don't discount a 3rd party run for Palin, although I do think it is an outside shot. It would require the Republican nominee to be a clear liberal: Romney, Huntsman, Christie. If it were a conservative, the above strategy would not work.
Finally, she could tell the week before the election via the polls, where she stood. She could then be a kingmaker by having a strategy of endorsing any lesser of two evils and stepping out of the race. The lib repubs would then know to whom they owed a debt, and she could exact a price for cooperation, such as promises on SCOTUS appointments and pro-life positions. This strategy would also satisfy any conservative whose analysis would indicate they should vote for the lesser of 2 evils.
This would also put a 3rd party on the map as viable, because they could then exert something similar to the power of smaller parties in a parliamentary system. And they would get enormous exposure.
Good analysis. I’ll support her whatever she decides. The statement that scares the hell out of ‘RATS and RINOs alike, is: “I’m not for sale.” :)
A 3rd party run would not split the vote if the 3rd party candidate made a last weed/month decision based on polling to either drive on or to endorse one of the other candidates running. Her supporters would then vote for the candidate endorsed.
For example, Palin at the beginning of October endorsing Romney after exacting a pledge/promise.
This would serve notice to others that 3rd parties could have the purpose of conservative coalition building and not just the purpose of “winning” an election for their nominee.
Absolutely none! Why, Rick Santelli made ZERO difference when he coined the term and minted the concept of the Tea Party. NONE!
Rush Limbaugh -- arguably not a true 'talking head' but close enough -- why, he has made so little difference in the political conversation and direction that it's worthy of only mockery.
You are sooooo right. Talking heads make no 'real difference'.
Sorry, but fantasies about Palin coming out as the savior of the Republic through a third-party run are highly unlikely. Can you honestly see her running, taking people’s money, debating the others, and then at the last minute saying “He he, just kidding, vote for Mitt”?
CAS,I made a very similiar post months ago (I know Reaganaut was in the thread)about not judging Palin by her arrogant,sick,cult followers.I agreed with a poster out loud that there were trolls amongst the Palin ping lists but of course I have no proof of whom.
I have changed my mind.I now view Palin as a player.When she pulled her campaign? bus into Iowa and knocked the poll results saying the people didn’t really vote and her most recent Greta appearance. I am sick of being played and the entire Palin game.I have a post that states the things Palin needs to clear up before she would get my vote.
No action was ever taken when the Palin bots got real nasty other than to grow thicker skin.No one called admin mod or JR when they were so ugly and nasty because they were all in the coveted Palin ping lists and would post pictures of JR with Palin saying this is Palin country.If anything of nowadays they call admin mod like cry babies.Bachmann is no longer a threat to Palin so they laid off of calling her a RINO.
The Palin bots were dead set against Perry before he was the top nominee simply because he was not Palin.Perry is NOT McCain.And calling him Bush lite was derogatory towards Bush and Perry.They got it set in they’re minds only someone making a nice salary at Fox news commentating about her supposed future competitors that did no matter how you slice it quit on Alaska; a non politician saint.Palin was put on a fantasy pedestal.I watched Palin’s movie and got her a lot more but the games continued.Palin’s current stringing along has turned me way off and I have a lot of red flags up now.She said by the end of Sept.She has ONE day and she has already indicated it may go into Oct.
She is stringing along.I feel her last Greta interview was so clearly- she isn’t running she does not want the confinement,boxed in.GREAT!So don’t add a one liner saying I still may.It makes her look weak and indecisive.I think she is a superb Rove of the tea party or a great energy secretary but if she does not watch it she will lose all respect.If she announced today she would have maybe one day of the flavor of the week and sadly not be the nominee at this stage.But we may never know. She helped wipe out Perry and now we are stuck with Romney.But you know what?Screw them all Cain will rise to the challenge and his name is not Herb.Perry will be shown to not be the RINO Palin bots call him.They want a perfect President,they want a hero in biblical proportions.NOT GONNA HAPPEN;regarding this I am not waiting on a politician to save me I am waiting on Jesus Christ.
DISCLAIMER: I pray West runs.OR CAIN WINS AND PICKS WEST!But... West would never string along and waste time bashing opponents he would successfully always target Obama.Should I start a ping list in hopes he announces and bash -all others- and call them all RINO’s in his honor? I would be laughed at and told I was crazy and that West was stringing people along (Something he would never do) So how is it the Palin bot insanity has gone so far into the loony stage?
Not as a joke but as a strategy, which is exactly what happens regularly in a parliamentary system, in which a smaller party provides support to a larger in order to build a ruling coalition.
Remember Ross Perot?
Sarah is not stupid — nor self-serving enough to do this to the American people.
JMHO FWIW
Sister, while I share your high opinion of Sarah Palin, “Divide the party” is only the conventional wisdom of 2 party strategists directing our thinking, after years of power. Two parties have morphed into each other and exist to continue the status quo. Is there any other explanation for Trent Lott, John McCain, Olympia Snowe?
When you think about it, TWO choices is just one more choice than Saddam Hussein allowed his Iraqis.
I’m not overly impressed with 2 selections. Too often they are “Dumb and Dumber”.
Of course. Minority parties in a parliamentary system do it all the time.
I very strongly agree, dearest sister in Christ! A conservative third party candidate will have the Perot affect and keep Obama in power.
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