I have lost every bit of tolerance with Libertarians both large L and small.
I refuse to even debate with any, and you’re the nicest one.
People who don’t want the gov forcing faggot “marriage” down our throats are not statists nor do we look to the “state” to define marriage. It’s a question of keeping the normal, natural, God-made status quo.
Governments of whatever level have been recognizing marriage since time immemorial and this does not mean they defined marraige. Means they recognized the legitimate union of man and wife and with that recognition came legal or legitimate socially defined and regocnized rights and responsibilities. This is as it should be and has always been since human civilization began. This is not Statism, Nanny Governmentism, or any ism. It is the state recognition of Natural Law.
I apologize if I used a term that seemed insulting. I consider you a good freeper but your libertarianism is silly and utopian and doesn’t do anyone a darn bit of good.
I’m so sick of libertarianism large L and small that I cannot express how sick. It merely helps and encourages the tendency towards hedonism, anarchy and these usher in totalitarianism.
Where the Libertarian position on same sex marriage falls apart is that the leftist plan for same sex marriage includes a plan to control religious believe and teaching against homosexuality along with controlling speech, interfering with religious belief, it’s thought control.
I don’t see how that fits into the concept of Libertarianism.
“People who don’t want the gov forcing faggot “marriage” down our throats are not statists nor do we look to the “state” to define marriage. It’s a question of keeping the normal, natural, God-made status quo.”
Of course not. Freepers are a cut above the masses, that may sound elitist but it is generally true. But many have been conditioned to think that marriage comes from the state instead of their faith. If you think this isn’t the case, Then I reckon we disagree.
“It is the state recognition of Natural Law.”
Sure. But it hasn’t been doing that for a long time. It has usurped the role of faith, at least in recent times, just like it has with education and charity.
“I consider you a good freeper but your libertarianism is silly and utopian and doesn’t do anyone a darn bit of good.”
I consider you a good Freeper too, and appreciate all the stuff you post about the homosexualist agenda. I have added the keyword “homosexualagenda” to many threads concerning it, and am thankful you and others take care of a ping list for it. I definately think the homosexual agenda is real, a weapon used by marxists.
I don’t think the state is ever going to remove itself from the institution. I do think that marriage would be better off if it did, because I know that the statists and homosexualists are going to use that involvement to punish folks who don’t buy the impossibility of “gay marriage”.
I voted for the marriage amendment in my state. I would do so again. But I will never agree that wanting folks to define marriage with their faith is libertarianism of any stripe. The big L’s are mostly pro-gay marriage as far as I can see, which is completely inconsistant with their usual views as I understand them anyhow, because of the gubberment’s power to punish those who don’t buy into the sham.
And a piece of paper from the state isn’t the deciding factor of determining if two people are married. Should the state recognize marriage? Probably, it would be fine in an utopia with no statists and homosexualists who will twist that recognition into socialist control of the culture.
Freegards