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To: jerseyrocks
E-verify is mandatory is some states, however, it is inaccurate in 54% of the cases.

Let's examine this figure of 54%. E-verify works well to detect mismatches in the data submitted vs. the server data, but it does not always detect the kind of fraud in which uses counterfeit, stolen, or borrowed identity documents. That would be beyond what it can do at present.

As it is today, e-verify has no photo ID component, which would give it some anti-fraud capability. The question is whether we want to make the effort to add it.

You keep speaking of making Government smaller. Under your plan it would cost hundreds of millions in legal fees for the taxpayers and business owners in these flawed cases.

I don't know how you reach that conclusion. If my social security number has a problem, I want to know about it. I don't want anybody using my identity mistakenly or for fraud. However, if there are cases in which a legal worker cannot prove he is legal, I would not make e-verify mandatory until they fixed the problem.

Your solution is to make it legal for them to work here, with privileges to be determined. Entitlements would be a huge isssue, and I remain convinced that they would take jobs from US citizens. I have worked in the fields, and in a crew pouring and finishing cement in the hot sun. Before going to the step of issuing work visas, I think we should at least try to reduce the numbers significantly.

What to do with the illegals when they are caught, again taxpayers dollars to jail them, deport them or legally defend them.

I don't want illegal workers having a job here. Employers should make a case for guest workers, hire legal workers, or, if they can't afford to do that, move overseas. Some companies, especially such entities as construction contractors, will go underground. That's why we need to allow states to enforce immigration laws. I agree with you that we will not see an Eisenhower style mass deportation, but I think the number of illegal aliens here could be reduced via attrition, workplace enforcement, expired visa enforcement, local enforcement, stopping entitlements and Dream Acts.

I can see you are a great exaggerator Mr. Dingy, don’t think this situation is in any way comparable to Bastogne.

I think it has the potential to be worse. If we had lost at Bastogne, we would still have won the war, and America itself would not have been threatened.

However, if we had all those new voters voting for Obama clones or worse in the future, I believe that really would be the end. If I understand you, you would not push for granting them voting rights. However, I believe that keeping them from voting would be more difficult than you think:

1) Once you have a bunch of potential leftist voters here, working but not voting, that is more irresistible to Dems and RINOs than a a one trillion unspent surplus. Rogue judges and POTUSes would also like them to vote, and they have been known to try to usurp the power of congress.

2) Once you start the "immigration reform" ball rolling in congress, who knows what you will get. I think it's very likely that only amnesty would be able to get through. The best I could hope for would be that congress does nothing. That's why I want to try something we have never done before: Enforce immigration laws in good faith.

3) A giant guest worker program for illegals encourages more illegal immigration.

Again Obama has done much more damage to our Constitution then the 11 million illegals ever could.

I think that illegal immigrants have some good qualities as individuals, but letting them vote would be disastrous. If you had a kindly gardener who would let a burglar into your house, would you trust him with a house key? Or would you say, "That burglar did more evil to my family than that gardner even could?"

You saw how Hispanics voted for Obama, and that includes some conservatives and moderates who don't like him any more than we do. I am afraid that 3rd world wave of voters would make leftists electorally invincible.

233 posted on 09/18/2011 9:44:40 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Budget sins can be fixed. Amnesty is irreversible.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

Response to E-verify is simply failure. Should have had all detection finders upon creation. Inefficiency on Government’s part again.

Again Mr. Dingy, you did not read my posting. No entitlements would be granted. According to this transition they would have to be individually responsible for food, clothing, shelter, health insurance. They are not taking away jobs from Americans they are taking the jobs Americans DON’T WANT. If they have to work two farming jobs or 20 hours a day in order to make these transition requirements, they will, unlike some citizens here. It sounds more like you have a distain for this group of people which is really disturbing. We are a humane society not a regime. You keep mentioning enforce this and enforce that, it cost money and needs more people, resulting in bigger Government.

Your Bastogne analogy is not comparable to this situation, I’m sorry if that is the best you got. As far as voting rights they are not citizens, they don’t vote. This why I think it is important that Republicans like Perry are getting their voices out there on this topic. Perry is not afraid to say what needs to be done. The illegals are here and they are not going back through a mass deportation so we need to deal with the problem. The small investment now will give big returns in the future. The core of the illegals are faith, family, hard working people, which goes against the heart of the libby party. Obama didn’t get in because of Hispanic voters he got in because of Independent whit e voters. Obama has dropped 12% in the Hispanic poll numbers. They seem to understand his danger more then the black and white communities.

The gardner doesn’t need a key the homeowner always leaves the door unlocked. Who would be at fault if a home repeatedly gets robbed because the doors and windows are left unlocked? I would bet your insurance company would blame you after the second time.


234 posted on 09/19/2011 8:16:48 AM PDT by jerseyrocks
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